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dsavarese(at)elmore.rr.co
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Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 5:27 am Post subject: filling air tanks

If anyone is interested, here is a solution to filling air  tanks with air.  Weighs about 65 pounds.   I bought one of these  last year to use in the hangar.  I have had great success with it.   Puts out 2000 PSI.  Has a single cylinder, overhead valve engine driving a  3 stage compressor.  Has an excellent air/water separator too.  I paid  $500 for it.

 http://web.govliquidation.com/auction/view_photo?eventId=2831&lotNumber=4459&picNumber=1

 Dennis

   

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jimscjs(at)mbay.net
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Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 8:05 am Post subject: filling air tanks

Where can I get one.

 Jim Selby

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rvfltd(at)televar.com
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Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 8:50 am Post subject: filling air tanks

Re Shop air,

 I have a 1500 psi Cornelius compressor, but I have heard that in both China and Russia they use Huosai or M14 engine compressors hooked up to a elect motor to gain high pressure shop air.  

 

 Used "as removed" compressors are not all that expensive.  But a word of warning, high pressure air has the capacity of easily killing you if you don't handle it properly.  You are building a bomb if you don't have the proper container AND connecting hardware.  

 

 All food for thought,

 

 Always yakin,

 Doug

 

 A. Dennis Savarese wrote:

 [quote]            If anyone is interested, here is a solution to filling air tanks with air.  Weighs about 65 pounds.   I bought one of these last year to use in the hangar.  I have had great success with it.  Puts out 2000 PSI.  Has a single cylinder, overhead valve engine driving a 3 stage compressor.  Has an excellent air/water separator too.  I paid $500 for it.

   [url=http://web.govliquidation.com/auction/view_photo?eventId 831&lotNumber=4459&picNumber=1]http://web.govliquidation.com/auction/view_photo?eventId 831&lotNumber=4459&picNumber=1[/url]

   Dennis

     

   [quote]     ----- Original Message ----- 

     From:     Sarah Tobin (aerobaticgirl(at)yahoo.com) 

     To:     yak-list(at)matronics.com (yak-list(at)matronics.com) 

     Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 9:07 PM

     Subject: RE: filling air tanks

     

     

 Me personally, I bought an industrial size tank (4' tall) and filled it myself at a local air distributer, so I know when I fill my tank, yes.  That is my technique...and when I bought the tank I asked them to paint it yellow to preclude any confusion.

     

     "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich(at)navy.mil (mark.bitterlich(at)navy.mil)> wrote:     [quote]--> Yak-List message posted by: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E" 

       

 Every fill port for every type of fluid or gas that could in any way be

 serviced by line personnel should be labeled and clearly marked to

 prevent ANY type of confusion. The idea to add one where one may be

 missing is unquestionably sound judgement. 

       

 Mark Bitterlich 

 N50YK

       

 P.s. Smash, I too like to do everything myself as well. BUT.....Do you

 know for sure which ones are legal for you to actually do, or even

 Supervise? That list would make an interesting question some day, but

 for me... I just do it and worry about the consequences later. In other

 words, I go too far the OTHER direction...admittedly. As for pure oxygen

 being pumped into your tank.... How are you going to know FOR SURE (I

 repeat... FOR SURE) just WHAT is inside the bottle that is connected to

 your aircraft and filling up your tank? The only way to be 100%

 absolutely positive is for you to have filled the tank, that is actually

 filling your aircraft. I do that... Do you? 

       

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mark.bitterlich(at)navy.m
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Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 9:14 am Post subject: filling air tanks

Thanks Pappy. 



There is actually a part number difference in the Russian versions with

the ones that have the tab and the ones that do not.  



Mark 

N50YK



P.s.  The toe trick only works on a 52.   





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mark.bitterlich(at)navy.m
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Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 9:46 am Post subject: filling air tanks

Do you take that 4 foot tall tank with you on cross countries?    My

only point Smash is that sooner or later all of us end up having to rely

on someone else in one form or another.  Whether it be for what kind of

air is in a tank, to the quality of the fuel that is in that gas truck

pumping into our aircraft.  I was also trying to respectfully disagree

with my interpretation of your comment that we as pilots should be 100%

responsible for everything that goes on around our aircraft. 



Let's take Bob Hoover for example.  I personally consider him to be a

better pilot than I am pretty much straight across the board.  Now some

of the pilots on this list might not think as highly of him as I do, but

I believe we would all concur that he is pretty darn good.  



Does anyone remember the crash he had at Willow Grove Pennsylvania where

both of his engines quit after take-off?  That would be because while he

was inside flight planning, some idiot pumped JET-A into his tanks

instead of 100LL.  He checked the tanks to be sure they were full, but

neglected to bend down and sniff the fuel to make sure it smelled right.

Of course, I always smell MY fuel after the truck leaves and I am sure

you do too.   



Anyway, it is unlikely that anyone is ever going to pump oxygen into my

50's air tank instead of compressed air, simply because I have resisted

changing the fill port over to a Shrader Valve, thus they have no way to

even CONNECT to the blasted thing unless I am standing right there with

my Russian fill port adapter in hand.  That does NOT mean however that I

am immune to falling victim to some other stupid move that some less

than bright individual might do, simply by accident.  Such as confusing

one aircraft for another and pouring oil into my fuel tank thinking that

was where it was supposed to go.  



Adding a LABEL to everything where "stuff" can be poured, blown, or

"whatever" is therefore always a good idea, and you can't always just

dismiss such incidents with the words: "The pilot should have been there

watching".  



Mark Bitterlich

N50YK

 



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MarkWDavis

Joined: 03 Jan 2007
Posts: 104
Location: Syracuse, KS

Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 11:44 am Post subject: filling air tanks

Unfortunately the "sniff" test for Jet A/JP 4 isn't that reliable either if 

a signicant amount of avgas was in the tank.  The avgas smell is pretty 

overpowering to my nose.  It reminds be of an old Cheech and Chong routine, 

but sometimes if there's any doubt, stick your finger in it and taste it! 

Also feel for the dryness/evaporation of 100LL.  (Looking at your fuel 

receipt to see what you paid for is another way to catch it).



Mark Davis

N44YK



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dsavarese(at)elmore.rr.co
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Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 2:52 pm Post subject: filling air tanks

I actually found my on EBay.  You may find them on some  military surplus web site.

 Dennis

  

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yakplt(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 12:07 pm Post subject: filling air tanks

Doc, have you any idea who you are talking to? 

   

  



Roger Kemp <viperdoc(at)mindspring.com> wrote:

  [quote]      MGB,

  On could do what I did. I took one of my steel (silver) dive tanks and used it for my compressed gas tank in the hanger. I took it to the dive shop to have it filled. I made the schrader valve conversion on  my YAK. I bought a first stage manifold from my dive shop, high pressure hose, a 5000 psi pressure gauge, and an air fitting  so I could refill my tank if it leaked down for some reason. I also bought a pony tank that fits nicely in a helmet bag with the fill hose/manifold for when I go on road trips. It guarantees me at least two  attempts at a start with the amount of air in the pony tank. The pony tank is painted yellow by the way. That is the way that I know for sure what is going into my plane provided I trust my dive shop operator. Now that could be another ball of wax too I guess. 

  We have Bubba's down here in Al too. So I feel allot more comfortable taking my own spare air on the road with me than asking a good ol' boy if they have any spare air around I can use to fill my tanks to start my plane. 

  I sure as heck am not going to  do the flammable gas test with a lighter.  Now I guess one could fill a balloon or a latex glove with the gas from that questionable tank and light it off with that lighter or a flaming stick from a distance. There will be a nice bang when the balloon goes up just have to dodge the melted plastic fragments. We could also check with the  local chemistry lab to see who has a mass spectrometer. They could burn the gas in a controlled combustion and analyze the gas for us. We would know for sure then  what was in the tank. 

  I believe this tread started with the question of what color is an oxygen tank. Green. Now what happens out there in Bubba town happens in Bubba town. With all the lawyers standing behind the bushes just waiting for a personal injury lawsuit if I were a FBO operator in the business of servicing aircraft on my ramp, I would think twice about being a good ol boy an just put air in what ever I could find that would hold it. Just mort one aircraft owner from filling his airplane's air tank with 02 and see how fast the $1 million liability policy will be eaten up if he even has liability coverage. 

  So to avoid such, I carry my own air on the road. Your call after all it's your rosey  pink that is risk here.

  Doc

   

  



   

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cjpilot710(at)aol.com
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Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 12:17 pm Post subject: filling air tanks

In a message dated 4/7/2007 4:09:28 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  yakplt(at)yahoo.com writes:

  

  

 The last strut pump I saw was not very large.  Smaller and lighter  than a scuba tank.  Why not take one along instead of a tank?  With  you own hose and hardware setup already attached, you would only have  to plug on someone's shop compressor to pump up.  No need to  worry ever if the tank is filled or the loss (sudden or otherwise) of its  pressure.

  

 Pappy

  

  

  

  

 [quote]   Doc, have you any idea who you are talking to? 

    

   



Roger Kemp <viperdoc(at)mindspring.com>    wrote:

   [quote]               MGB,

     On could do what I did. I took      one of my steel (silver) dive tanks and used it for my compressed gas tank      in the hanger. I took it to the dive shop to have it filled. I made the      schrader valve conversion on  my YAK. I bought a first stage manifold      from my dive shop, high pressure hose, a 5000 psi pressure gauge, and an air      fitting  so I could refill my tank if it leaked down for some reason. I      also bought a pony tank that fits nicely in a helmet bag with the fill      hose/manifold for when I go on road trips. It guarantees me at least two      attempts at a start with the amount of air in the pony tank. The pony tank      is painted yellow by the way. That is the way that I know for sure what is      going into my plane provided I trust my dive shop operator. Now that could      be another ball of wax too I guess. 

     We have Bubba's down here in Al too.      So I feel allot more comfortable taking my own spare air on the road with me      than asking a good ol' boy if they have any spare air around I can use to      fill my tanks to start my plane. 

     I sure as heck am not going to       do the flammable gas test with a lighter.  Now I guess one could fill a      balloon or a latex glove with the gas from that questionable tank and      light it off with that lighter or a flaming stick from a distance. There      will be a nice bang when the balloon goes up just have to dodge the      melted plastic fragments. We could also check with the local chemistry lab      to see who has a mass spectrometer. They could burn the gas in a controlled      combustion and analyze the gas for us. We would know for sure then       what was in the tank. 

     I believe this tread started with the      question of what color is an oxygen tank. Green. Now what happens out there      in Bubba town happens in Bubba town. With all the lawyers standing behind      the bushes just waiting for a personal injury lawsuit if I were a FBO      operator in the business of servicing aircraft on my ramp, I would think      twice about being a good ol boy an just put air in what ever I could find      that would hold it. Just mort one aircraft owner from filling his airplane's      air tank with 02 and see how fast the $1 million liability policy will be      eaten up if he even has liability coverage. 

     So to avoid such, I carry my own air      on the road. Your call after all it's your rosey pink that is risk      here.

     Doc

      

     



      

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viperdoc(at)mindspring.co
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Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 5:07 pm Post subject: filling air tanks

I do now...how many damned email addresses do you have Mark? ;>))

 Doc

  

 



  

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