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nico(at)cybersuperstore.c
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Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 1:22 pm Post subject: Orenda Rises Again

But I think it’s perhaps too late for the Orenda. The diesels overtook whatever advantage they had in the marketplace. I wouldn’t have invested in it if I had the money. It’s a pity, but it’s a fact.  

   

         

  

From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Owens

 Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 2:02 PM

 To: commander-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: Commander-List: Orenda Rises Again  

  

     

Yea, for us normally aspirated 300HP Continentals or Lycs, it would be a tremendous improvment, breathing much needed life back into the airframe, as well as the interest in Commanders overall...   

    

   

    

   

    

   

    

   

    

David Owens

 Aerial Viewpoint

 N14AV

 AC-500A-Colemill  

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brcamp(at)windows.microso
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Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 2:33 pm Post subject: Orenda Rises Again

Here the avgas is hit5ing $4+ /gal and Jet-A can be had for  $2.99. I suspect the Theilert Centurion 4.0 would be the better bet if I was going to try for an STC, but Theilert seems very uninterested in promoting STCs currently (this came from the company itself). Apparently they are selling all of the engines they can produce, and want to focus on Quantity or, even better, OEM relationships (like Diamond or Cirrus) where they can get the OEM to commit to ordering lots of engines in future by contract.  

   

Of course, in the airplane biz, such contracts don’t last very long, only as long as the company’s next chap 11 or acquisition, but that’s what they’re doing.  

   

             Bruce   

       

From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css

 Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 2:22 PM

 To: commander-list(at)matronics.com

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But I think it’s perhaps too late for the Orenda. The diesels overtook whatever advantage they had in the marketplace. I wouldn’t have invested in it if I had the money. It’s a pity, but it’s a fact.  

   

         

  

From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Owens

 Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 2:02 PM

 To: commander-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: Orenda Rises Again  

  

     

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David Owens

 Aerial Viewpoint

 N14AV

 AC-500A-Colemill  

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kamala(at)MSN.COM
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Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 4:16 pm Post subject: Orenda Rises Again

<?xml:namespace prefix="v" /><?xml:namespace prefix="o" /><![endif]-->  th, the mr rpm conversion is still fairly competative.  the IO-720 (at)  400hp per side and 34 gph is not bad. mason

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tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.n
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Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 8:27 am Post subject: Orenda Rises Again

Mason,You ever coming out to NM any time soon?

Yes that is reasonable.  The STC on any new engine will be a lot of money.

Tylor Hall



On Apr 17, 2007, at 6:11 PM, MASON CHEVAILLIER wrote:

[quote]th, the mr rpm conversion is still fairly competative.  the IO-720 (at) 400hp per side and 34 gph is not bad. mason

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Skyhawkc-172

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 84

Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 1:41 pm Post subject: Orenda Rises Again

Found this in a google search of Orenda

  

 http://www.epi-eng.com/CNV-at401.htm

  

 600 HP a side ?  500 series commander might need a few addon's due to 600HP, maybee the installation of a G meter.

  

  

  

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From: Deneal Schilmeister <deneals(at)deneals.com> 

http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/845-full.html#194933



Orenda Rises Again



A Midland, Texas, company has received FAA approval to take over the engine type certificate for the Orenda OE600A, a Canadian-developed, 600-hp V-8 based on a big-block Chevy engine. The granting of the type certificate transfer from the former Canadian owners allows Trace Engines to begin shipping engines, including the 10 finished mills it inherited in the takeover of the project. Two engines were shipped, ironically, to Canada last week and are expected to be flying by the end of the month. The Texas plant won’t likely build its fir  st eng ine until September. "Because this is a start-up, we have the opportunity to do things right the first time," spokesman Craig Hoover told the Midland Reporter-Telegram. "We have an active research and development program. There are things we want to improve on the engines even before we begin production." The big recips are aimed at replacing far more expensive small turboprops on a variety of light and business aircraft. They were developed about 20 years ago in Canada, but despite gaining certification were not widely installed. Hoover said his company aims to change that and he expects a lot of foreign orders. There are 12 people working at Trace now, but plans are to increase that tenfold and incorporate a college training program into the factory.  	  Quote: 	
		  

	
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rsrandazzo(at)precisionma
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Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 9:01 am Post subject: Orenda Rises Again

Hey Nico!

 

Not sure I'd agree with that 100%....   I say anyone who brings a new engine

to the marketplace for those of us who have higher output needs is VERY

welcome to the party.

 

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		  From what I've seen thus far- the diesels look like a great alternative for

lower-to-mid horse-power requirement, but nobody is talking about getting
	


upward of 450-600hp out of them yet.

 

Orenda seems to be attempting to re-invigorate the high horsepower market.

So for now these two alternatives are targeted at entirely different market

segments.  Where Orenda leaves me scratching my head in THIS market (as

opposed to when it was developed) is that turboprop replacement with these

avgas prices seems rather... Counterintuitive.  So I don't see that being a

common customer market for them.



Can you imagine the difficulty trying to sell a piston powered C-90?  

 

I hope they succeed-  and I hope the diesel manufacturers start playing in

this field soon as well.   I love my commander- but damn I'd like to have a

supported engine!

 

Robert S. Randazzo

N414C



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From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com

[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css

Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 14:22

To: commander-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: RE: Orenda Rises Again

But I think it's perhaps too late for the Orenda. The diesels overtook

whatever advantage they had in the marketplace. I wouldn't have invested in

it if I had the money. It's a pity, but it's a fact.



 



 

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From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com

[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Owens

Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 2:02 PM

To: commander-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: Orenda Rises Again



 



Yea, for us normally aspirated 300HP Continentals or Lycs, it would be a

tremendous improvment, breathing much needed life back into the airframe, as

well as the interest in Commanders overall... 



 



 



 



 



David Owens

Aerial Viewpoint

N14AV

AC-500A-Colemill



 

 

 





Robert S. Randazzo

Precision Manuals Development Group

http://www.precisionmanuals.com

tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.n
Guest

Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 9:34 am Post subject: Orenda Rises Again

One of the big advantages of the Orenda is that it would burn 92  

octane MOGAS that is available in most gas stations and not leaded.   

The conversion will require that the fuel system be changed to put a  

fuel pump in the fuel tank like in all cars.

This will solve the vapor lock problem that will happen with a  

gasoline with a high RVP like we find in regular gasoline.

AVGAS has a RVP of 9 and some gasoline go as high as 15 and it  

changes summer to winter.  When the airplane goes to higher  

altitudes, it vaporizes.

That is why a Commander with turbos, you turn on the fuel pump above  

15,000'

There is my $0.02.

AOPA is reporting that the Cessna 206 has received an STC in europe  

for the Centurion 4.0 V-8 Diesel Jet A engine.

Tylor Hall

On Apr 20, 2007, at 11:04 AM, Robert S. Randazzo wrote:

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 <rsrandazzo(at)precisionmanuals.com>

 Hey Nico!

 Not sure I'd agree with that 100%....   I say anyone who brings a  

 new engine

 to the marketplace for those of us who have higher output needs is  

 VERY

 welcome to the party.

> From what I've seen thus far- the diesels look like a great  

> alternative for

 lower-to-mid horse-power requirement, but nobody is talking about  

 getting

 upward of 450-600hp out of them yet.

 Orenda seems to be attempting to re-invigorate the high horsepower  

 market.

 So for now these two alternatives are targeted at entirely  

 different market

 segments.  Where Orenda leaves me scratching my head in THIS market  

 (as

 opposed to when it was developed) is that turboprop replacement  

 with these

 avgas prices seems rather... Counterintuitive.  So I don't see that  

 being a

 common customer market for them.

 Can you imagine the difficulty trying to sell a piston powered C-90?

 I hope they succeed-  and I hope the diesel manufacturers start  

 playing in

 this field soon as well.   I love my commander- but damn I'd like  

 to have a

 supported engine!

 Robert S. Randazzo

 N414C

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 From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com

 [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of  

 nico css

 Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 14:22

 To: commander-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: RE: Orenda Rises Again

 But I think it's perhaps too late for the Orenda. The diesels overtook

 whatever advantage they had in the marketplace. I wouldn't have  

 invested in

 it if I had the money. It's a pity, but it's a fact.

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 From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com

 [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of  

 David Owens

 Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 2:02 PM

 To: commander-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: Orenda Rises Again

 Yea, for us normally aspirated 300HP Continentals or Lycs, it would  

 be a

 tremendous improvment, breathing much needed life back into the  

 airframe, as

 well as the interest in Commanders overall...

 David Owens

 Aerial Viewpoint

 N14AV

 AC-500A-Colemill

 Robert S. Randazzo

 Precision Manuals Development Group

 http://www.precisionmanuals.com

dowens(at)aerialviewpoint
Guest

Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 10:38 am Post subject: Orenda Rises Again

Reply to "Piston Powered C-90"... So what is that like a Super -90 Queen

air, or ???   hehehe





David Owens

Aerial Viewpoint

N14AV

AC-500A-Colemill

rsrandazzo(at)precisionma
Guest

Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 10:57 am Post subject: Orenda Rises Again

David-



Hahahah....  When I first wrote that email I wrote, "Imagine how hard it

would be to sell a piston powered 690?"



Then right before hitting the send button I thought, "Hey- my 685 IS a

piston powered 690!"



So I decided to pick on the KingAir instead.  



Robert S. Randazzo 



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dowens(at)aerialviewpoint
Guest

Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 11:38 am Post subject: Orenda Rises Again

hehehehehehheeee   Thats brain fade... Happens every time I write an e-mail,

and then hit the "spell-check".  Hey, A 690 is Garretts, SOOO you have a

685?





David Owens

Aerial Viewpoint

N14AV

AC-500A-Colemill

dowens(at)aerialviewpoint
Guest

Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 11:39 am Post subject: Orenda Rises Again

Like I said... "BRAIN FADE"  hehehee





David Owens

Aerial Viewpoint

N14AV

AC-500A-Colemill

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