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MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com
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Posted: Tue May 08, 2007 9:43 am Post subject: Wiring Harness from Vans - should I plan to get it?

I'm still a ways from the fuselage but looking ahead, is the RV10 

harness from Vans something I should plan on?   What did you do?



Just curious at this point.



Bill "just ordered TT servos and trying to get QB wings ready for bottom 

sheet rivet" Watson

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Vern(at)teclabsinc.com
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Posted: Tue May 08, 2007 12:35 pm Post subject: Wiring Harness from Vans - should I plan to get it?

Maybe yes, maybe no. Van's harness is for a basic VFR plane. Tim Olsen's

website has a PDF file of the instructions and a schematic that come

with it. It's in the builders section with the plans. I think most

people are not using this harness because it doesn't meet their needs.



If you are just on the wings, one option is to run just the wing wiring.

Start with what you want in the wings some possibilities are: strobes,

nav lights, pitot heat, aileron trim, auto pilot servo, landing lights,

stall warning, AOA kit, wing tip antennas (nav, com, marker beacon). At

this point some run conduit, other use snap rings or a combination.

William Curtis has some nice pictures and schematics on his site.

http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/ And by all means check out the matronics

archives. If you go with conduit Vans' sells corrugated stuff (it can be

a pain to pull it through the ribs), other people have used light

sprinkler water line. Somewhere on Van's site is a wing rib diagram

showing different possible locations for wire runs. John Cox had a

marvelous idea of running a length of weed wacker cord with any wire run

so that it is easier to pull an extra wire in the future. 



My EAA Tech. consoler didn't like seeing the strobe wires ran in the

same conduit as electrical wiring so I pulled it separately through snap

rings and then ran one conduit for antenna wire and another for

electrical wiring with a spacing of greater than 6 inch between the

runs. As far as supplies there are a number of venders. SteinAir has

been very helpful.



This is probably more info than you want:) 

Hope it's helps,



Vern Smith (#324 tail cone attachment)   

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ScooterF15

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Posted: Tue May 08, 2007 1:01 pm Post subject: Wiring Harness from Vans - should I plan to get it?

I purchased the wiring kit from Van's. It was great to get all the pieces  and parts in one kit with instructions; in that sense it was a great place to  start when I wasn't quite sure about many of the details. I  made lots of changes and added many circuits and features. Now that I  know how it goes together, if I was to build a second plane, I would design the  electrical system from scratch... but that's the thing about experience, you  don't get it until just after you need it.

  

 -Jim

 40134

  

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I'm still a ways from the fuselage but    looking ahead, is the RV10 

harness from Vans something I should plan    on?   What did you do?



Just curious at this    point.



Bill "just ordered TT servos and trying to get QB wings ready    for bottom 

sheet rivet" Watson

	


 

  



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Posted: Tue May 08, 2007 1:49 pm Post subject: Wiring Harness from Vans - should I plan to get it?

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I purchased the wiring kit from Van's. It was great to get all the pieces and parts in one kit with instructions; in that sense it was a great place to start when I wasn't quite sure about many of the details. I made lots of changes and added many circuits and features. Now that I know how it goes together, if I was to build a second plane, I would design the electrical system from scratch... but that's the thing about experience, you don't get it until just after you need it.  

    

   

    

-Jim  

    

40134  

    

   

    

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 I'm still a ways from the fuselage but looking ahead, is the RV10 

 harness from Vans something I should plan on?   What did you do?

 

 Just curious at this point.

 

 Bill "just ordered TT servos and trying to get QB wings ready for bottom 

 sheet rivet" Watson  	
  

    

   

  



 

         

  

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MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com
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Posted: Tue May 08, 2007 2:10 pm Post subject: Wiring Harness from Vans - should I plan to get it?

More info than I want?  Right!



I had come to the same conclusion, that is, the Van's harness is 

designed from a basic VFR perspective and yet, it's probably a good 

start even for an IFR setup.  I'm finding that accepting a bit of 

"wastage" is a good way to get up the learning curve at times.



You've confirmed I'm hitting all the right resources because I've 

managed to see most of the references below.  (Still don't know what a 

snap ring is yet).  I'm installing the Gretz pitot, aileron trim, 

Duckworth lights (cutting holes in the wings is so much fun I'm doing it 

twice - thanks for HFreight saw Tim). I bought the Vans lighting kit but 

returned everything except the tail lights.  Waiting on an LED kit from 

Jeff.   I've ordered the Trutrak servos from Stein.  I'm skipping the 

AOA probe.  I'm thinking archer nav attenna, don't know about comm but 

want it in the fuse.  William's wiring layout in the wings is becoming 

my  model and his wiring schematics/plan is in my notebook.  Connectors 

are a big ?  Need to buy some basic crimpers, wire and termination stuff.



Slowing getting my head into a electrical plan/schematic but I'm getting 

a headache.



Thanks.



Bill "real glad I've got a QB wing because there is more than enought 

drill/deburr/dimple/priming  to do with what's left" Watson



Vern W. Smith wrote:

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 Maybe yes, maybe no. Van's harness is for a basic VFR plane. Tim Olsen's

 website has a PDF file of the instructions and a schematic that come

 with it. It's in the builders section with the plans. I think most

 people are not using this harness because it doesn't meet their needs.



 If you are just on the wings, one option is to run just the wing wiring.

 Start with what you want in the wings some possibilities are: strobes,

 nav lights, pitot heat, aileron trim, auto pilot servo, landing lights,

 stall warning, AOA kit, wing tip antennas (nav, com, marker beacon). At

 this point some run conduit, other use snap rings or a combination.

 William Curtis has some nice pictures and schematics on his site.

 http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/ And by all means check out the matronics

 archives. If you go with conduit Vans' sells corrugated stuff (it can be

 a pain to pull it through the ribs), other people have used light

 sprinkler water line. Somewhere on Van's site is a wing rib diagram

 showing different possible locations for wire runs. John Cox had a

 marvelous idea of running a length of weed wacker cord with any wire run

 so that it is easier to pull an extra wire in the future. 



 My EAA Tech. consoler didn't like seeing the strobe wires ran in the

 same conduit as electrical wiring so I pulled it separately through snap

 rings and then ran one conduit for antenna wire and another for

 electrical wiring with a spacing of greater than 6 inch between the

 runs. As far as supplies there are a number of venders. SteinAir has

 been very helpful.



 This is probably more info than you want:) 

 Hope it's helps,



 Vern Smith (#324 tail cone attachment)   

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toaster73(at)earthlink.ne
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Posted: Tue May 08, 2007 3:15 pm Post subject: Wiring Harness from Vans - should I plan to get it?

Why did your tech counselor not want the stobe wires in the same conduit?

Chris Lucas

#40072 Fuselage top



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Vern(at)teclabsinc.com
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Posted: Tue May 08, 2007 6:02 pm Post subject: Wiring Harness from Vans - should I plan to get it?

Because strobes produce a lot of electrical noise and by physically seperating the wire runs it lessens the chance of the electrical wires acting like an antenna and pickup the noise via any magnetic field surounding the strobe wiring. Which sounded reasonable to me. 

 

The strobe wire shield grounded at the power supply should take care of it, but if a few bucks of snap rings and a little work helps, why not? I've flown in too many airplanes with the mellow almost soothing zit-zit-zit of the strobe in the headsets:) Though most of these were probably grounding issues.

 

Vern Smith (#324 tail cone attachment)



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Vern(at)teclabsinc.com
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Posted: Tue May 08, 2007 6:25 pm Post subject: Wiring Harness from Vans - should I plan to get it?

Read "snap bushing" not snap ring. Thanks for catching that.

 

One way to get a handle on schmatics is start with a large white board. Then on post-it notes write down the componets you would like to use, one per note with the connection requirements. Stick them on the white board where you think the should go and draw you wires in between the post-its. The cool thing about this is it is easy to make changes. When you are happy with it commit it to a final copy or CAD drawing.

 

Vern Smith (#324)   



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toaster73(at)earthlink.ne
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Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 6:26 pm Post subject: Wiring Harness from Vans - should I plan to get it?

I like that zit.... zit......zit..... too as the engine hummed along.  It 

meant all is well.

-Chris



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