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sportav8r(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 10:22 am Post subject: return home trip from KCOD

Cappy-  thinking about the return leg home from Yellowstone, and considering the Grand Canyon route.  I guess I need some mountain flying instruction, so I'll hunt a DVD or good book on this topic.  Some of the terrain I'd be crossing is higher than I've ever flown the RV (11,500)!  Just thought I'd get the group's reaction to a proposed route like: KCOD;KRKS;U34;KHVE;KPGA.  On the way home we might see the Ozarks or something.  One nice thing about the trip as planned is it allows 6 days to return by Sunday.  That's plenty leisurely if the wx cooperates.  I would, however, hate to make that long a trip without a wingman or two.  Who else is considering the southerly way home from Cody? 



-Stormy

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Lenleg(at)aol.com
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Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 10:55 am Post subject: return home trip from KCOD

I received a good book about mountain flying for Xmas last year ... you are  welcome to it.

  

 Len

  

  

 In a message dated 5/14/2007 2:22:49 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  sportav8r(at)gmail.com writes:

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		  Cappy-  thinking about the return leg home from Yellowstone, and    considering the Grand Canyon route.  I guess I need some mountain flying    instruction, so I'll hunt a DVD or good book on this topic.  Some of the    terrain I'd be crossing is higher than I've ever flown the RV (11,500)!     Just thought I'd get the group's reaction to a proposed route like:    KCOD;KRKS;U34;KHVE;KPGA.  On the way home we might see the Ozarks or    something.  One nice thing about the trip as planned is it allows 6 days    to return by Sunday.  That's plenty leisurely if the wx cooperates.     I would, however, hate to make that long a trip without a wingman or    two.  Who else is considering the southerly way home from Cody?    



-Stormy

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jclarkmail(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 11:14 am Post subject: return home trip from KCOD

And some of us (with lesser engines and props) start to run out climb of "giddy-up" above 10K. I have been to 11,000 with PapaJuliette (160HP/Fixed pitch wood) and was up to 10,500 yesterday. Had to ask the crew to cut me some slack on the power settings. 



Will take a look at the route you mentioned later.



James

On 5/14/07, Bill Boyd <sportav8r(at)gmail.com  (sportav8r(at)gmail.com)> wrote:[quote]Cappy-  thinking about the return leg home from Yellowstone, and considering the Grand Canyon route.  I guess I need some mountain flying instruction, so I'll hunt a DVD or good book on this topic.  Some of the terrain I'd be crossing is higher than I've ever flown the RV (11,500)!  Just thought I'd get the group's reaction to a proposed route like: KCOD;KRKS;U34;KHVE;KPGA.  On the way home we might see the Ozarks or something.  One nice thing about the trip as planned is it allows 6 days to return by Sunday.  That's plenty leisurely if the wx cooperates.  I would, however, hate to make that long a trip without a wingman or two.  Who else is considering the southerly way home from Cody? 



-Stormy

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sportav8r(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 12:32 pm Post subject: return home trip from KCOD

Thanks, buddy.  I';ll take you up on that.



On 5/14/07, Lenleg(at)aol.com (Lenleg(at)aol.com) <Lenleg(at)aol.com  (Lenleg(at)aol.com)> wrote:[quote]      I received a good book about mountain flying for Xmas last year ... you are  welcome to it.

  

 Len

  

  

 In a message dated 5/14/2007 2:22:49 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  sportav8r(at)gmail.com (sportav8r(at)gmail.com) writes:

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		   Cappy-  thinking about the return leg home from Yellowstone, and    considering the Grand Canyon route.  I guess I need some mountain flying    instruction, so I'll hunt a DVD or good book on this topic.  Some of the    terrain I'd be crossing is higher than I've ever flown the RV (11,500)!     Just thought I'd get the group's reaction to a proposed route like:    KCOD;KRKS;U34;KHVE;KPGA.  On the way home we might see the Ozarks or    something.  One nice thing about the trip as planned is it allows 6 days    to return by Sunday.  That's plenty leisurely if the wx cooperates.     I would, however, hate to make that long a trip without a wingman or    two.  Who else is considering the southerly way home from Cody?    



-Stormy

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paulf(at)ncsu.edu
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Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 12:37 pm Post subject: return home trip from KCOD

I was also considering a more southerly return route, winging through Colorado, or at least down the front-range.  However, I am not sure if I want to go as far West as the Grand Canyon. I’ve flown that route several times (including the time I picked up my -4) and might not have the time to do it this time.  Howvever, I will admit that flying through Lake Powell, between the mesas in monument valley and NM is a lot of fun.    Note that at this time of year, you will have daily T-storms over CO, and rough thermals over AZ,NM and TX.  

     

Paul D. Franzon  

   

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Cappy-  thinking about the return leg home from Yellowstone, and considering the Grand Canyon route.  I guess I need some mountain flying instruction, so I'll hunt a DVD or good book on this topic.  Some of the terrain I'd be crossing is higher than I've ever flown the RV (11,500)!  Just thought I'd get the group's reaction to a proposed route like: KCOD;KRKS;U34;KHVE;KPGA.  On the way home we might see the Ozarks or something.  One nice thing about the trip as planned is it allows 6 days to return by Sunday.  That's plenty leisurely if the wx cooperates.  I would, however, hate to make that long a trip without a wingman or two.  Who else is considering the southerly way home from Cody? 

 

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ronschreck

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Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 1:40 pm Post subject: return home trip from KCOD

I may head down that way to visit my brother in Houston.



Smokey

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 From: "Bill Boyd" <sportav8r(at)gmail.com>

 Date: 2007/05/14 Mon PM 02:21:51 EDT

 To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: return home trip from KCOD

 

 Cappy-  thinking about the return leg home from Yellowstone, and considering

 the Grand Canyon route.  I guess I need some mountain flying instruction, so

 I'll hunt a DVD or good book on this topic.  Some of the terrain I'd be

 crossing is higher than I've ever flown the RV (11,500)!  Just thought I'd

 get the group's reaction to a proposed route like: KCOD;KRKS;U34;KHVE;KPGA.

 On the way home we might see the Ozarks or something.  One nice thing about

 the trip as planned is it allows 6 days to return by Sunday.  That's plenty

 leisurely if the wx cooperates.  I would, however, hate to make that long a

 trip without a wingman or two.  Who else is considering the southerly way

 home from Cody?

 

 -Stormy

bfilipiak(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 2:02 pm Post subject: return home trip from KCOD

If you're not opposed to one on one instruction,

Speedbird Aviation at KMRN did a mountain flying

seminar about a year ago, they would probably be

willing to run that by you for a small fee.



828-757-0099

I did it and feel quite a bit better about Mountain

Flying.  You can run your proposed route by them as

well.  Couldn't hurt.



(P.S. I don't know where you are, that may be out of

range.  BUT:  EAA 731 is hosting a Fly-In at Hickory

Regional KHKY with NO RAMP FEES this Saturday 0800 -

1600 EDT.  The guys from Speedbird will be there as

well.  If you are interested and choose to do so, hunt

me down and I'll introduce you.)



Sounds like a good trip!  Good luck!



Bart

--- Bill Boyd <sportav8r(at)gmail.com> wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   Cappy-  thinking about the return leg home from

 Yellowstone, and considering

 the Grand Canyon route.  I guess I need some

 mountain flying instruction, so

 I'll hunt a DVD or good book on this topic.  Some of

 the terrain I'd be

 crossing is higher than I've ever flown the RV

 (11,500)!  Just thought I'd

 get the group's reaction to a proposed route like:

 KCOD;KRKS;U34;KHVE;KPGA.

 On the way home we might see the Ozarks or

 something.  One nice thing about

 the trip as planned is it allows 6 days to return by

 Sunday.  That's plenty

 leisurely if the wx cooperates.  I would, however,

 hate to make that long a

 trip without a wingman or two.  Who else is

 considering the southerly way

 home from Cody?

 

 -Stormy

 


	


       

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bburril(at)carolina.rr.co
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Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 2:21 pm Post subject: return home trip from KCOD

I was considering from cody to jackson hole,to  page az,to the grand canyon 

and monument valley on the way home .



 Ben

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Steve Glasgow

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Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 3:25 pm Post subject: return home trip from KCOD

Paul are you planning on going to Yellowstone on the trip?  Because I  did not get any INFO on you being IN.

  

 Cappy

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Steve Glasgow

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Posts: 674

Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 3:34 pm Post subject: return home trip from KCOD

Stormy one of the best sites I have seen on mountain flying is AOPA.   

  

 This is awesome!

 http://flash.aopa.org/asf/mountainFlying/html/flash.cfm

  

 There is more here but you may have to dig through it. 

 http://www.aopa.org/members/files/guides/mntfly.html

  

 Next summer I was planning on Sedona, AZ, the Grand Canyon 

and  Monument Valley.  But it can be done anytime.  

  

 If you are planning to cross mountains you will need at least 2000' above  the 

 highest terrain to be safe.  I would recommend going around rather  than over.

 Don't forget temperature corrections for true altitude.

  

 Cappy

  

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flyguy

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Posts: 325

Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 4:55 pm Post subject: return home trip from KCOD

he is talking about a previous trip he took....

--- Steve Glasgow <willfly(at)carolina.rr.com> wrote:



[quote] Paul are you planning on going to Yellowstone on the

 trip?  Because I did not get any INFO on you being

 IN.

 

 Cappy

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bill(at)repucci.com
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Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 5:43 pm Post subject: return home trip from KCOD

James,

  

 It  sounds like it might be time to give up on that -6 and the -7 in the hanger and  build a -9 as they do much better in the thin air.  

  

 Of  course, I really wouldn't know that 1st hand as I have about 10 hours of work to  finish on my -9 before taking it to the airport.  I figure that will take  me at least another year to complete.

  

 Bill

  

 

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Larry Bowen

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 802
Location: NC, USA

Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 6:47 pm Post subject: return home trip from KCOD

The AOPA website has some good reading on it.

-- 

Larry Bowen

Larry(at)BowenAero.com (Larry(at)BowenAero.com)

http://BowenAero.com 



On 5/14/07, Bill Boyd <sportav8r(at)gmail.com (sportav8r(at)gmail.com)> wrote:[quote] Cappy-  thinking about the return leg home from Yellowstone, and considering the Grand Canyon route.  I guess I need some mountain flying instruction, so I'll hunt a DVD or good book on this topic.  Some of the terrain I'd be crossing is higher than I've ever flown the RV (11,500)!  Just thought I'd get the group's reaction to a proposed route like: KCOD;KRKS;U34;KHVE;KPGA.  On the way home we might see the Ozarks or something.  One nice thing about the trip as planned is it allows 6 days to return by Sunday.  That's plenty leisurely if the wx cooperates.  I would, however, hate to make that long a trip without a wingman or two.  Who else is considering the southerly way home from Cody? 



-Stormy

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ronschreck

Joined: 04 Aug 2006
Posts: 192
Location: Gold Hill Airpark, NC (NC25)

Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 7:24 pm Post subject: return home trip from KCOD

I took Miss Izzy to 17,500 last Fall while returning from California.  Had no problem getting up there, but the mountain wave gave my autopilot fits.  On the updraft the nose lowered and TAS went up to 190 kts and then back to 130 kts when it had to "climb" through the downdraft.  Had to keep trimming to keep the autopilot happy.  The 78 knot tailwind was a real thrill and the fuel flow of 6 GPH at full throttle made for a cheap ride.  I got tired of chasing the trim and descended to 15,500 and accepted a mere 60 know tailwind below the mountain wave.  Cappy is right about needing a substantial altitude buffer above the peaks but you can usually find a low spot along the ridges and approach high ridge lines at a 45 degree angle so you can "bail out" if you get into a sink.  The terrain function of the GPS really paints a good picture for you and its easy to pick your way through.  I didn't feel intimidated by even the highest part of the Rockies.  I wouldn't feel comfortable 

 in IMC conditions unless I had at least 2000 feet clearance above the highest terrain but any published MEA will give you that buffer.  Just stay on the airways.  In VMC you can "read" the winds over the ridges by watching the clouds.  Avoid the caps and lenticular forms, especially on the downwind side and stay WAY far away from any rotors.  The windward side of the ridges give lots of free lift and the leeward side may provide downdrafts that can easily exceed even the RV's climb capability.  I have spent a lot of time over wildfires and the smoke tells you even more than the clouds.  Climbing in a smoke column sucks but it can provide more lift than any flat bottom cumulus cloud.  Thunderstorms can generate more lift but you really need to stay out of that stuff!  Bottom line... mountain flying is fun if you do some study before you go aloft.  Pretend you are a sailplane and you will have tons of fun.  (Am I the only one who wonders why the altitude record for sailplanes 

 is a few thousand feet higher than the altitude achieved by Bruce Bohannon in his suped up RV-4???)



Enjoy the ride.



Smokey

[quote] 

 From: "Bill Repucci" <bill(at)repucci.com>

 Date: 2007/05/14 Mon PM 09:41:49 EDT

 To: <rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com>

 Subject: RE: return home trip from KCOD

 

 James,

  

 It sounds like it might be time to give up on that -6 and the -7 in the

 hanger and build a -9 as they do much better in the thin air.  

  

 Of course, I really wouldn't know that 1st hand as I have about 10 hours

 of work to finish on my -9 before taking it to the airport.  I figure

 that will take me at least another year to complete.

  

 Bill

  

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Larry Bowen

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 802
Location: NC, USA

Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 7:40 pm Post subject: return home trip from KCOD

Sounds exciting & intimidating at the same time....like many aspects of flying.  Looking forward to it.

-- 

Larry Bowen

Larry(at)BowenAero.com (Larry(at)BowenAero.com)

 http://BowenAero.com 



On 5/14/07, ronschreck(at)windstream.net (ronschreck(at)windstream.net) <ronschreck(at)windstream.net  (ronschreck(at)windstream.net)> wrote:[quote]--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: < ronschreck(at)windstream.net (ronschreck(at)windstream.net)>



I took Miss Izzy to 17,500 last Fall while returning from California.  Had no problem getting up there, but the mountain wave gave my autopilot fits.  On the updraft the nose lowered and TAS went up to 190 kts and then back to 130 kts when it had to "climb" through the downdraft.  Had to keep trimming to keep the autopilot happy.  The 78 knot tailwind was a real thrill and the fuel flow of 6 GPH at full throttle made for a cheap ride.  I got tired of chasing the trim and descended to 15,500 and accepted a mere 60 know tailwind below the mountain wave.  Cappy is right about needing a substantial altitude buffer above the peaks but you can usually find a low spot along the ridges and approach high ridge lines at a 45 degree angle so you can "bail out" if you get into a sink.  The terrain function of the GPS really paints a good picture for you and its easy to pick your way through.  I didn't feel intimidated by even the highest part of the Rockies.  I wouldn't feel comfortable 

 in IMC conditions unless I had at least 2000 feet clearance above the highest terrain but any published MEA will give you that buffer.  Just stay on the airways.  In VMC you can "read" the winds over the ridges by watching the clouds.  Avoid the caps and lenticular forms, especially on the downwind side and stay WAY far away from any rotors.  The windward side of the ridges give lots of free lift and the leeward side may provide downdrafts that can easily exceed even the RV's climb capability.  I have spent a lot of time over wildfires and the smoke tells you even more than the clouds.  Climbing in a smoke column sucks but it can provide more lift than any flat bottom cumulus cloud.  Thunderstorms can generate more lift but you really need to stay out of that stuff!  Bottom line... mountain flying is fun if you do some study before you go aloft.  Pretend you are a sailplane and you will have tons of fun.  (Am I the only one who wonders why the altitude record for sailplanes 

 is a few thousand feet higher than the altitude achieved by Bruce Bohannon in his suped up RV-4???)



Enjoy the ride.



Smokey[b]

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RV-8 SOLD,
RV-7QB in progress...

paulf(at)ncsu.edu
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Posted: Tue May 15, 2007 7:26 am Post subject: return home trip from KCOD

I was planning to join you.  

   

Thanks,  

     

Paul D. Franzon  

        

  

From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve Glasgow

 Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 7:26 PM

 To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: RE: RVSouthEast-List: return home trip from KCOD  

  

     

Paul are you planning on going to Yellowstone on the trip?  Because I did not get any INFO on you being IN.  

    

   

    

Cappy  

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MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com
Guest

Posted: Tue May 15, 2007 7:49 am Post subject: return home trip from KCOD

If you really want to fly the mountain wave like a sailplane, try 

speeding up and allowing some descent thru the down air, slow down and 

allow some climb in the up.  That is, the opposite of what the autopilot 

wants to do.  It requires some altitude flexibility but with VFR or the 

appropriate clearance, it can be done.  That will optimize your energy 

expenditure and speed thru the wave.  Works with cumulus too.  Circling 

to climb is for the birds!

Bill  "banging rivets on my '10 while dreaming of  10knot lift over the 

Sierras" Watson

www.mykitlog.com/Mauledriver

ronschreck(at)windstream.net wrote:

[quote] 

 I took Miss Izzy to 17,500 last Fall while returning from California.  Had no problem getting up there, but the mountain wave gave my autopilot fits.  On the updraft the nose lowered and TAS went up to 190 kts and then back to 130 kts when it had to "climb" through the downdraft.  Had to keep trimming to keep the autopilot happy.  The 78 knot tailwind was a real thrill and the fuel flow of 6 GPH at full throttle made for a cheap ride.  I got tired of chasing the trim and descended to 15,500 and accepted a mere 60 know tailwind below the mountain wave.  Cappy is right about needing a substantial altitude buffer above the peaks but you can usually find a low spot along the ridges and approach high ridge lines at a 45 degree angle so you can "bail out" if you get into a sink.  The terrain function of the GPS really paints a good picture for you and its easy to pick your way through.  I didn't feel intimidated by even the highest part of the Rockies.  I wouldn't feel comfortable 

  in IMC conditions unless I had at least 2000 feet clearance above the highest terrain but any published MEA will give you that buffer.  Just stay on the airways.  In VMC you can "read" the winds over the ridges by watching the clouds.  Avoid the caps and lenticular forms, especially on the downwind side and stay WAY far away from any rotors.  The windward side of the ridges give lots of free lift and the leeward side may provide downdrafts that can easily exceed even the RV's climb capability.  I have spent a lot of time over wildfires and the smoke tells you even more than the clouds.  Climbing in a smoke column sucks but it can provide more lift than any flat bottom cumulus cloud.  Thunderstorms can generate more lift but you really need to stay out of that stuff!  Bottom line... mountain flying is fun if you do some study before you go aloft.  Pretend you are a sailplane and you will have tons of fun.  (Am I the only one who wonders why the altitude record for sailplanes 

  is a few thousand feet higher than the altitude achieved by Bruce Bohannon in his suped up RV-4???)

 Enjoy the ride.

 Smokey

> From: "Bill Repucci" <bill(at)repucci.com>

> Date: 2007/05/14 Mon PM 09:41:49 EDT

> To: <rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com>

> Subject: RE: return home trip from KCOD

>

> James,

>  

> It sounds like it might be time to give up on that -6 and the -7 in the

> hanger and build a -9 as they do much better in the thin air.  

>  

> Of course, I really wouldn't know that 1st hand as I have about 10 hours

> of work to finish on my -9 before taking it to the airport.  I figure

> that will take me at least another year to complete.

>  

> Bill

>  

> --

ronschreck

Joined: 04 Aug 2006
Posts: 192
Location: Gold Hill Airpark, NC (NC25)

Posted: Tue May 15, 2007 8:06 am Post subject: return home trip from KCOD

I was doing my damndest to stay out of class A airspace.  You are correct, you can navigate the wave easier if you have an altitude block to work in.  I should have asked for that.  I was VFR flight following with ABQ Center and trying not to look like a yahoo out for a joy ride on the roller coaster.



Smokey

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 From: MauleDriver <MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com>

 Date: 2007/05/15 Tue AM 11:49:32 EDT

 To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: return home trip from KCOD

 

 

 

 If you really want to fly the mountain wave like a sailplane, try 

 speeding up and allowing some descent thru the down air, slow down and 

 allow some climb in the up.  That is, the opposite of what the autopilot 

 wants to do.  It requires some altitude flexibility but with VFR or the 

 appropriate clearance, it can be done.  That will optimize your energy 

 expenditure and speed thru the wave.  Works with cumulus too.  Circling 

 to climb is for the birds!

 

 Bill  "banging rivets on my '10 while dreaming of  10knot lift over the 

 Sierras" Watson

 www.mykitlog.com/Mauledriver

 

 ronschreck(at)windstream.net wrote:

 > 

 >

 > I took Miss Izzy to 17,500 last Fall while returning from California.  Had no problem getting up there, but the mountain wave gave my autopilot fits.  On the updraft the nose lowered and TAS went up to 190 kts and then back to 130 kts when it had to "climb" through the downdraft.  Had to keep trimming to keep the autopilot happy.  The 78 knot tailwind was a real thrill and the fuel flow of 6 GPH at full throttle made for a cheap ride.  I got tired of chasing the trim and descended to 15,500 and accepted a mere 60 know tailwind below the mountain wave.  Cappy is right about needing a substantial altitude buffer above the peaks but you can usually find a low spot along the ridges and approach high ridge lines at a 45 degree angle so you can "bail out" if you get into a sink.  The terrain function of the GPS really paints a good picture for you and its easy to pick your way through.  I didn't feel intimidated by even the highest part of the Rockies.  I wouldn't feel comforta

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 >  in IMC conditions unless I had at least 2000 feet clearance above the highest terrain but any published MEA will give you that buffer.  Just stay on the airways.  In VMC you can "read" the winds over the ridges by watching the clouds.  Avoid the caps and lenticular forms, especially on the downwind side and stay WAY far away from any rotors.  The windward side of the ridges give lots of free lift and the leeward side may provide downdrafts that can easily exceed even the RV's climb capability.  I have spent a lot of time over wildfires and the smoke tells you even more than the clouds.  Climbing in a smoke column sucks but it can provide more lift than any flat bottom cumulus cloud.  Thunderstorms can generate more lift but you really need to stay out of that stuff!  Bottom line... mountain flying is fun if you do some study before you go aloft.  Pretend you are a sailplane and you will have tons of fun.  (Am I the only one who wonders why the altitude record for sailpla

 n!
	


[quote]  es 

 >  is a few thousand feet higher than the altitude achieved by Bruce Bohannon in his suped up RV-4???)

 >

 > Enjoy the ride.

 >

 > Smokey

 >   

 >> From: "Bill Repucci" <bill(at)repucci.com>

 >> Date: 2007/05/14 Mon PM 09:41:49 EDT

 >> To: <rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com>

 >> Subject: RE: return home trip from KCOD

 >>

 >> James,

 >>  

 >> It sounds like it might be time to give up on that -6 and the -7 in the

 >> hanger and build a -9 as they do much better in the thin air.  

 >>  

 >> Of course, I really wouldn't know that 1st hand as I have about 10 hours

 >> of work to finish on my -9 before taking it to the airport.  I figure

 >> that will take me at least another year to complete.

 >>  

 >> Bill

 >>  

 >> --

sportav8r(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Tue May 15, 2007 8:08 am Post subject: return home trip from KCOD

Just purchased a used like-new Aerox system on eBay.  Now I get the thrill of hydrotesting and trying to convince a welding shop to fill it for me.  "Can't, unless you're a licensed physician." they said.  Oh, well, I said.  Wait a minute- I think that won't be a problem, and I even have an account with you for the liquid nitrogen I use in the office... 

Now I have to hope they have the suitable adapter for the M tank regulator.  This is more hassle than I thought, but I'm going to be glad I have it along on the trip, I think.

-Stormy

[quote] RVSouthEast-List message posted by: MauleDriver <MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com (MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com)>

If you really want to fly the mountain wave like a sailplane, try

speeding up and allowing some descent thru the down air, slow down and 

allow some climb in the up.  That is, the opposite of what the autopilot

wants to do.  It requires some altitude flexibility but with VFR or the

appropriate clearance, it can be done.  That will optimize your energy 

expenditure and speed thru the wave.  Works with cumulus too.  Circling

to climb is for the birds!

Bill  "banging rivets on my '10 while dreaming of  10knot lift over the

Sierras" Watson

 www.mykitlog.com/Mauledriver

ronschreck(at)windstream.net (ronschreck(at)windstream.net) wrote:

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		   --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: < ronschreck(at)windstream.net (ronschreck(at)windstream.net)>

 I took Miss Izzy to 17,500 last Fall while returning from California.  Had no problem getting up there, but the mountain wave gave my autopilot fits.  On the updraft the nose lowered and TAS went up to 190 kts and then back to 130 kts when it had to "climb" through the downdraft.  Had to keep trimming to keep the autopilot happy.  The 78 knot tailwind was a real thrill and the fuel flow of 6 GPH at full throttle made for a cheap ride.  I got tired of chasing the trim and descended to 15,500 and accepted a mere 60 know tailwind below the mountain wave.  Cappy is right about needing a substantial altitude buffer above the peaks but you can usually find a low spot along the ridges and approach high ridge lines at a 45 degree angle so you can "bail out" if you get into a sink.  The terrain function of the GPS really paints a good picture for you and its easy to pick your way through.  I didn't feel intimidated by even the highest part of the Rockies.  I wouldn't feel comfortab! 

 le

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		    in IMC conditions unless I had at least 2000 feet clearance above the highest terrain but any published MEA will give you that buffer.  Just stay on the airways.  In VMC you can "read" the winds over the ridges by watching the clouds.  Avoid the caps and lenticular forms, especially on the downwind side and stay WAY far away from any rotors.  The windward side of the ridges give lots of free lift and the leeward side may provide downdrafts that can easily exceed even the RV's climb capability.  I have spent a lot of time over wildfires and the smoke tells you even more than the clouds.  Climbing in a smoke column sucks but it can provide more lift than any flat bottom cumulus cloud.  Thunderstorms can generate more lift but you really need to stay out of that stuff!  Bottom line... mountain flying is fun if you do some study before you go aloft.  Pretend you are a sailplane and you will have tons of fun.  (Am I the only one who wonders why the altitude record for sailplan! 

 es

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		    is a few thousand feet higher than the altitude achieved by Bruce Bohannon in his suped up RV-4???)

 Enjoy the ride.

 Smokey

> From: "Bill Repucci" < bill(at)repucci.com (bill(at)repucci.com)>

> Date: 2007/05/14 Mon PM 09:41:49 EDT

> To: <rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com (rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com)>

> Subject: RE: return home trip from KCOD 

>

> James,

>

> It sounds like it might be time to give up on that -6 and the -7 in the

> hanger and build a -9 as they do much better in the thin air.  

>

 >> Of course, I really wouldn't know that 1st hand as I have about 10 hours

[quote]> of work to finish on my -9 before taking it to the airport.  I figure

> that will take me at least another year to complete. 

>

> Bill

>

> --

ronschreck

Joined: 04 Aug 2006
Posts: 192
Location: Gold Hill Airpark, NC (NC25)

Posted: Tue May 15, 2007 8:34 am Post subject: return home trip from KCOD

Stormy,



I have the adapter.  I think Larry Bowen will be borrowing my oxygen unit when we go to Yellowstone, so you can borrow the adapter when its time to fill up.  I called the folks at Precise Flight and they sent the adapter next day.



Smokey

[quote] 

 From: "Bill Boyd" <sportav8r(at)gmail.com>

 Date: 2007/05/15 Tue PM 12:08:29 EDT

 To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: return home trip from KCOD

 

 Just purchased a used like-new Aerox system on eBay.  Now I get the thrill

 of hydrotesting and trying to convince a welding shop to fill it for me.

 "Can't, unless you're a licensed physician." they said.  Oh, well, I said.

 Wait a minute- I think that won't be a problem, and I even have an account

 with you for the liquid nitrogen I use in the office...

 

 Now I have to hope they have the suitable adapter for the M tank regulator.

 This is more hassle than I thought, but I'm going to be glad I have it along

 on the trip, I think.

 

 -Stormy

 

 RVSouthEast-List message posted by: MauleDriver <MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com>

 >

 > If you really want to fly the mountain wave like a sailplane, try

 > speeding up and allowing some descent thru the down air, slow down and

 > allow some climb in the up.  That is, the opposite of what the autopilot

 > wants to do.  It requires some altitude flexibility but with VFR or the

 > appropriate clearance, it can be done.  That will optimize your energy

 > expenditure and speed thru the wave.  Works with cumulus too.  Circling

 > to climb is for the birds!

 >

 > Bill  "banging rivets on my '10 while dreaming of  10knot lift over the

 > Sierras" Watson

 > www.mykitlog.com/Mauledriver

 >

 > ronschreck(at)windstream.net wrote:

 > > 

 > >

 > > I took Miss Izzy to 17,500 last Fall while returning from

 > California.  Had no problem getting up there, but the mountain wave gave my

 > autopilot fits.  On the updraft the nose lowered and TAS went up to 190 kts

 > and then back to 130 kts when it had to "climb" through the downdraft.  Had

 > to keep trimming to keep the autopilot happy.  The 78 knot tailwind was a

 > real thrill and the fuel flow of 6 GPH at full throttle made for a cheap

 > ride.  I got tired of chasing the trim and descended to 15,500 and accepted

 > a mere 60 know tailwind below the mountain wave.  Cappy is right about

 > needing a substantial altitude buffer above the peaks but you can usually

 > find a low spot along the ridges and approach high ridge lines at a 45

 > degree angle so you can "bail out" if you get into a sink.  The terrain

 > function of the GPS really paints a good picture for you and its easy to

 > pick your way through.  I didn't feel intimidated by even the highest part

 > of the Rockies.  I wouldn't feel comfortab!

 > le

 > >  in IMC conditions unless I had at least 2000 feet clearance above the

 > highest terrain but any published MEA will give you that buffer.  Just stay

 > on the airways.  In VMC you can "read" the winds over the ridges by watching

 > the clouds.  Avoid the caps and lenticular forms, especially on the downwind

 > side and stay WAY far away from any rotors.  The windward side of the ridges

 > give lots of free lift and the leeward side may provide downdrafts that can

 > easily exceed even the RV's climb capability.  I have spent a lot of time

 > over wildfires and the smoke tells you even more than the clouds.  Climbing

 > in a smoke column sucks but it can provide more lift than any flat bottom

 > cumulus cloud.  Thunderstorms can generate more lift but you really need to

 > stay out of that stuff!  Bottom line... mountain flying is fun if you do

 > some study before you go aloft.  Pretend you are a sailplane and you will

 > have tons of fun.  (Am I the only one who wonders why the altitude record

 > for sailplan!

 > es

 > >  is a few thousand feet higher than the altitude achieved by Bruce

 > Bohannon in his suped up RV-4???)

 > >

 > > Enjoy the ride.

 > >

 > > Smokey

 > >

 > >> From: "Bill Repucci" <bill(at)repucci.com>

 > >> Date: 2007/05/14 Mon PM 09:41:49 EDT

 > >> To: <rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com>

 > >> Subject: RE: return home trip from KCOD

 > >>

 > >> James,

 > >>

 > >> It sounds like it might be time to give up on that -6 and the -7 in the

 > >> hanger and build a -9 as they do much better in the thin air.  

 > >>

 > >> Of course, I really wouldn't know that 1st hand as I have about 10

 > hours

 > >> of work to finish on my -9 before taking it to the airport.  I figure

 > >> that will take me at least another year to complete.

 > >>

 > >> Bill

 > >>

 > >> --

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