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 Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 12:11 am Post subject: trailer wing support profile. |
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Does anyone have a wing profile forward of the spar at the position of the wing support on the factory trailer? On my drawing this is 2 metres from the root spar pin bush. If anyone has one they could email or post to me I would be very grateful and it would save a lot of work trying to transcribe it from the wing. I need it to get the trailer wing supports made.
Keith Hickling,
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raimo.toivio(at)rwm.fi
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| Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 2:12 pm Post subject: trailer wing support profile. |
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Hi Keith
I did not like those original rubber straps
and removed them. I made new supporters
just like you described them. They are 2" /50 mm
thick wooden blocks (birch plywood board)
and I shaped them by CNC cutter.
They match well to the wing section
and between there are very soft self
adhesive stuf, douple layers.
If you like to get the drawing, please
contact me direct.
Because the pip pins let the supporters
to move a bit, I secure supporters to the
trailer also by extra 13 mm / ˝" bolt & nut.
There are still some movements between
wings and trailer supporters - to prevent any
damages in my first class wing surfaces
I cover the wings by kitchen film before
dropping them to the trailer.
The spars are secured by clamps tightened
by bolts - not only by pip - pins like original
factory trailer. I do not wanna get any damages
to the spars´main pip pin holes.
I have also some other modifications like
douple axle for security reasons. Look at the pics.
The riskiest part to operate Europa in my case
has been so far when pushing it to the trailer:
- I have almost destroyed my rudder by hitting it
to the back door of my van´s (it was open)
- main wheel gate opened when towing the trailer
(I was lucky Europa did not dropped to the road
because it was fixed by bolts in the tail wheel
and it was not on it´s side because I have extra
side supporters). To prevent this situation meet
me again I connected those turnbuckles keeping
gate up together by a strong rubber string with
hooks which prevent them to open spontaneously.
- tail wheel dropped from the rail and transponder
/DME antenna went broken
- tail wheel dropped yesterday again from the rail
and Dynon´s OAT sensor went broken and penetrated
through Europas stomach (so I have a similar extra hole
in my Europa´s fuselage as Ferg Kyle has his wing´s
leading edge!)
Personally I think the only almost safe way to carry
Europa on the roads is to carry it in a big enough lorry
/truck with closed coach. No towing at all. Only flying...
Raimo
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Raimo M W Toivio
OH-XRT Europa XS Mono #417, 3h42min and 12 landings in the log book
OH-CVK C172 Skyhawk, reinterioring completed, engine will be overhauled also for surprise
OH-BLL Beechcraft C45, w radial engines (grounded for ever)
37500 Lempaala
Finland
tel + 358 3 3753 777
fax + 358 3 3753 100
gsm + 358 40 590 1450
raimo.toivio(at)rwm.fi (raimo.toivio(at)rwm.fi)
www.rwm.fi
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scrimm
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| Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 5:10 pm Post subject: trailer wing support profile. |
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Ramio,
Great pictures,
I am attaching a couple of pics showing the following:
Ramp I made to lessen the angle on the ramp so one person can easily push the A/C into the wheel cradle.
An eye bolt that I use to secure the tail to the trailer as well as a tie down point for the airframe. This prevents it from going forward, just in case.
Trailer safety chains.
The wing support straps that I made to hold the wing.
Now I have some questions.
The wheel ramp attachment bar, where did it come from? Was it with the trailer or did you make it.
Did the mud guards come with the trailer or did you add them. As you can see I don't any.
Thanks,
Steve
N42AH
Still for sale
www.stephenscott.com/Europa
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Steve Crimm - BIT, CDIA+, OCSA, OCWA
Stephen Scott & Associates, Inc.
Your Exclusive Source for Automated Data Capture Solutions
Email: steve.crimm(at)stephenscott.com (steve.crimm(at)stephenscott.com)
Web Site: www.stephenscott.com
Phone: 678-461-7957 Fax 678-461-7958
"The agony of poor service lasts much longer than the thrill of low price"
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From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Raimo Toivio
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 18:15
To: europa-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: trailer wing support profile.
Hi Keith
I did not like those original rubber straps
and removed them. I made new supporters
just like you described them. They are 2" /50 mm
thick wooden blocks (birch plywood board)
and I shaped them by CNC cutter.
They match well to the wing section
and between there are very soft self
adhesive stuf, douple layers.
If you like to get the drawing, please
contact me direct.
Because the pip pins let the supporters
to move a bit, I secure supporters to the
trailer also by extra 13 mm / ˝" bolt & nut.
There are still some movements between
wings and trailer supporters - to prevent any
damages in my first class wing surfaces
I cover the wings by kitchen film before
dropping them to the trailer.
The spars are secured by clamps tightened
by bolts - not only by pip - pins like original
factory trailer. I do not wanna get any damages
to the spars´main pip pin holes.
I have also some other modifications like
douple axle for security reasons. Look at the pics.
The riskiest part to operate Europa in my case
has been so far when pushing it to the trailer:
- I have almost destroyed my rudder by hitting it
to the back door of my van´s (it was open)
- main wheel gate opened when towing the trailer
(I was lucky Europa did not dropped to the road
because it was fixed by bolts in the tail wheel
and it was not on it´s side because I have extra
side supporters). To prevent this situation meet
me again I connected those turnbuckles keeping
gate up together by a strong rubber string with
hooks which prevent them to open spontaneously.
- tail wheel dropped from the rail and transponder
/DME antenna went broken
- tail wheel dropped yesterday again from the rail
and Dynon´s OAT sensor went broken and penetrated
through Europas stomach (so I have a similar extra hole
in my Europa´s fuselage as Ferg Kyle has his wing´s
leading edge!)
Personally I think the only almost safe way to carry
Europa on the roads is to carry it in a big enough lorry
/truck with closed coach. No towing at all. Only flying...
Raimo
=====
Raimo M W Toivio
OH-XRT Europa XS Mono #417, 3h42min and 12 landings in the log book
OH-CVK C172 Skyhawk, reinterioring completed, engine will be overhauled also for surprise
OH-BLL Beechcraft C45, w radial engines (grounded for ever)
37500 Lempaala
Finland
tel + 358 3 3753 777
fax + 358 3 3753 100
gsm + 358 40 590 1450
raimo.toivio(at)rwm.fi (raimo.toivio(at)rwm.fi)
www.rwm.fi
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wdaniell(at)etb.net.co
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| Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 4:15 am Post subject: trailer wing support profile. |
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Can anyone send me a design for a self rig dolly…or tell me where to get one please?
Will
From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve Crimm
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 20:09
To: europa-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: trailer wing support profile.
Ramio,
Great pictures,
I am attaching a couple of pics showing the following:
Ramp I made to lessen the angle on the ramp so one person can easily push the A/C into the wheel cradle.
An eye bolt that I use to secure the tail to the trailer as well as a tie down point for the airframe. This prevents it from going forward, just in case.
Trailer safety chains.
The wing support straps that I made to hold the wing.
Now I have some questions.
The wheel ramp attachment bar, where did it come from? Was it with the trailer or did you make it.
Did the mud guards come with the trailer or did you add them. As you can see I don't any.
Thanks,
Steve
N42AH
Still for sale
www.stephenscott.com/Europa
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____________________________________________________________
Steve Crimm - BIT, CDIA+, OCSA, OCWA
Stephen Scott & Associates, Inc.
Your Exclusive Source for Automated Data Capture Solutions
Email: steve.crimm(at)stephenscott.com (steve.crimm(at)stephenscott.com)
Web Site: www.stephenscott.com
Phone: 678-461-7957 Fax 678-461-7958
"The agony of poor service lasts much longer than the thrill of low price"
____________________________________________________________
Confidentiality Note: The information contained in this message may be privileged and
confidential. If you are not the intended recipient of this information, you are hereby
notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly
prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please reply to the sender
immediately and delete the message from your computer. Thank You
From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Raimo Toivio
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 18:15
To: europa-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: trailer wing support profile.
Hi Keith
I did not like those original rubber straps
and removed them. I made new supporters
just like you described them. They are 2" /50 mm
thick wooden blocks (birch plywood board)
and I shaped them by CNC cutter.
They match well to the wing section
and between there are very soft self
adhesive stuf, douple layers.
If you like to get the drawing, please
contact me direct.
Because the pip pins let the supporters
to move a bit, I secure supporters to the
trailer also by extra 13 mm / ˝" bolt & nut.
There are still some movements between
wings and trailer supporters - to prevent any
damages in my first class wing surfaces
I cover the wings by kitchen film before
dropping them to the trailer.
The spars are secured by clamps tightened
by bolts - not only by pip - pins like original
factory trailer. I do not wanna get any damages
to the spars´main pip pin holes.
I have also some other modifications like
douple axle for security reasons. Look at the pics.
The riskiest part to operate Europa in my case
has been so far when pushing it to the trailer:
- I have almost destroyed my rudder by hitting it
to the back door of my van´s (it was open)
- main wheel gate opened when towing the trailer
(I was lucky Europa did not dropped to the road
because it was fixed by bolts in the tail wheel
and it was not on it´s side because I have extra
side supporters). To prevent this situation meet
me again I connected those turnbuckles keeping
gate up together by a strong rubber string with
hooks which prevent them to open spontaneously.
- tail wheel dropped from the rail and transponder
/DME antenna went broken
- tail wheel dropped yesterday again from the rail
and Dynon´s OAT sensor went broken and penetrated
through Europas stomach (so I have a similar extra hole
in my Europa´s fuselage as Ferg Kyle has his wing´s
leading edge!)
Personally I think the only almost safe way to carry
Europa on the roads is to carry it in a big enough lorry
/truck with closed coach. No towing at all. Only flying...
Raimo
=====
Raimo M W Toivio
OH-XRT Europa XS Mono #417, 3h42min and 12 landings in the log book
OH-CVK C172 Skyhawk, reinterioring completed, engine will be overhauled also for surprise
OH-BLL Beechcraft C45, w radial engines (grounded for ever)
37500 Lempaala
Finland
tel + 358 3 3753 777
fax + 358 3 3753 100
gsm + 358 40 590 1450
raimo.toivio(at)rwm.fi (raimo.toivio(at)rwm.fi)
www.rwm.fi
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ami(at)mcfadyean.freeserv
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| Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 12:07 pm Post subject: trailer wing support profile. |
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[quote] On a related matter, has anyone made a towbar that fits to hte tailwheel?
Details please! Especially the detail of any latching mechanism.
DUncan McF.
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pete(at)lawless.info
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| Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 2:06 pm Post subject: trailer wing support profile. |
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Evening Duncan
I am up to Kemble tomorrow and will email you a pic tomorrow evening. The one I inherited allows both push and pull and is so strongly built (and also so heavy) you could move a 747. A bit of rope with 2 loops in the end works just a well if you only want to pull.
Pete
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RoddyEuropa(at)aol.com
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| Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 12:15 pm Post subject: trailer wing support profile. |
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In a message dated 22/05/2007 09:12:20 GMT Standard Time, keithhickling(at)clear.net.nz writes:
| Quote: | Does anyone have a wing profile forward of the spar at the position of the wing support on the factory trailer? On my drawing this is 2 metres from the root spar pin bush. If anyone has one they could email or post to me I would be very grateful and it would save a lot of work trying to transcribe it from the wing. I need it to get the trailer wing supports made.
Keith Hickling,
New Zealand.
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I have made trailer supports for the outboard part of the wing by moulding directly over the finished wing - so you get a snug fit. What I did was put the wing leading edge up, cover it in a polythene sheet, then stretched some thick foam (a camping sleep mat) over the leading edge, and then laid up several layers of glassfibre over that, about 10 inches wide, and about 16 inches back each side from the leading edge. Once set, I removed it, trimmed it, cut it into two bits 5 inches wide, and this then formed a perfectly shaped insert to go into the trailer U shaped bracket. Then, put the wings on the trailer with the new inserts loosley in place, and then glassed these into place on the trailer. So, I ended up with a wing support that exactly matched the wing profile. I have used it once, about 10 miles, and the signs are that it works far better than the sling as supplied with the trailer.
Roddy Kesterton
europa 220
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keithhickling(at)clear.ne
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| Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 12:43 am Post subject: trailer wing support profile. |
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Many thanks Roddy,
I had considered this, but it's good to hear it worked well. I'll think about which way to go.
Regards,
Keith.
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raimo.toivio(at)rwm.fi
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| Posted: Tue May 29, 2007 7:52 am Post subject: trailer wing support profile. |
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Hi Stevie
Now I have some questions.
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The wheel ramp attachment bar, where did it come from? Was it with the trailer or did you make it.
They are self made. There is one extra advantage with them:
the ramp has quite a tight fit to the monogear and they are difficult
to separate. By using these attachment bars /giant turnbuckles
you can force the ramp move upp AND also down (by chain only upp).
Look at the attachment.
Did the mud guards come with the trailer or did you add them. As you can see I don't any.
The mud guards come with the trailer with one axle. The other safety axle
and it´s mud guards have added here later.
Because of my accidents "tail wheel drops down when pushing the plane
to the trailer" I will instal this week a floor to the trailer. I think it prevents
some future damages and also it will prevent shit coming when towing.
Probably one day I have also walls and roof and the trailer is modified to be
a lorry...
Extra main wheel ramp is also an essential equipment - I will have it also soon.
I wanna point out I really respect those people who are able to rigg
Europa alone. When only moving wings alone my heart has a rate of 200...
Regards, Raimo
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Raimo M W Toivio
OH-XRT Europa XS Mono #417, test flying
OH-CVK C172 Skyhawk, engine overhauling
OH-BLL Beechcraft C45, w radial engines (grounded)
37500 Lempaala
Finland
tel + 358 3 3753 777
fax + 358 3 3753 100
gsm + 358 40 590 1450
raimo.toivio(at)rwm.fi (raimo.toivio(at)rwm.fi)
www.rwm.fi
____________________________________________________________
Steve Crimm - BIT, CDIA+, OCSA, OCWA
Stephen Scott & Associates, Inc.
Your Exclusive Source for Automated Data Capture Solutions
Email: steve.crimm(at)stephenscott.com (steve.crimm(at)stephenscott.com)
Web Site: www.stephenscott.com
Phone: 678-461-7957 Fax 678-461-7958
"The agony of poor service lasts much longer than the thrill of low price"
____________________________________________________________
Confidentiality Note: The information contained in this message may be privileged and
confidential. If you are not the intended recipient of this information, you are hereby
notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly
prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please reply to the sender
immediately and delete the message from your computer. Thank You
From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Raimo Toivio
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 18:15
To: europa-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: trailer wing support profile.
Hi Keith
I did not like those original rubber straps
and removed them. I made new supporters
just like you described them. They are 2" /50 mm
thick wooden blocks (birch plywood board)
and I shaped them by CNC cutter.
They match well to the wing section
and between there are very soft self
adhesive stuf, douple layers.
If you like to get the drawing, please
contact me direct.
Because the pip pins let the supporters
to move a bit, I secure supporters to the
trailer also by extra 13 mm / ˝" bolt & nut.
There are still some movements between
wings and trailer supporters - to prevent any
damages in my first class wing surfaces
I cover the wings by kitchen film before
dropping them to the trailer.
The spars are secured by clamps tightened
by bolts - not only by pip - pins like original
factory trailer. I do not wanna get any damages
to the spars´main pip pin holes.
I have also some other modifications like
douple axle for security reasons. Look at the pics.
The riskiest part to operate Europa in my case
has been so far when pushing it to the trailer:
- I have almost destroyed my rudder by hitting it
to the back door of my van´s (it was open)
- main wheel gate opened when towing the trailer
(I was lucky Europa did not dropped to the road
because it was fixed by bolts in the tail wheel
and it was not on it´s side because I have extra
side supporters). To prevent this situation meet
me again I connected those turnbuckles keeping
gate up together by a strong rubber string with
hooks which prevent them to open spontaneously.
- tail wheel dropped from the rail and transponder
/DME antenna went broken
- tail wheel dropped yesterday again from the rail
and Dynon´s OAT sensor went broken and penetrated
through Europas stomach (so I have a similar extra hole
in my Europa´s fuselage as Ferg Kyle has his wing´s
leading edge!)
Personally I think the only almost safe way to carry
Europa on the roads is to carry it in a big enough lorry
/truck with closed coach. No towing at all. Only flying...
Raimo
=====
Raimo M W Toivio
OH-XRT Europa XS Mono #417, 3h42min and 12 landings in the log book
OH-CVK C172 Skyhawk, reinterioring completed, engine will be overhauled also for surprise
OH-BLL Beechcraft C45, w radial engines (grounded for ever)
37500 Lempaala
Finland
tel + 358 3 3753 777
fax + 358 3 3753 100
gsm + 358 40 590 1450
raimo.toivio(at)rwm.fi (raimo.toivio(at)rwm.fi)
www.rwm.fi
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