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andygold(at)rkymtnhi.com
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Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 11:33 am Post subject: Garmin 196 help

I just installed a Garmin 196 in place of my old  Garmin 90.  I liked the 90.  It did everything I wanted it to do  perfectly and simply for day VFR navigation.  Just enter where you  want to go and follow the arrow and it always took me right over the center of  the destination airport.  (I never used the map page)  The only reason  I gave it up was because the database was 5-6 years old and I couldn't get an  update.

  

 So, I bought a 196.  With all the raving about  it here and on other web sites, I looked forward to seeing how great it really  was. (for what I use it for I couldn't imagine how it could be any better, but  at least its updated with the new maps and AFDs)

  

 Bottom line is the 196 has a really bad quirk that  I don't like at all, enough that if I can't find a solution I'm going to pull it  out and reinstall the relic 90. Following the arrow to a destination works great  from a distance, but when I get within about 10-15 miles from the destination  the arrow starts to skew over one way or the other.  In other words the  arrow says that the destination is 30 degrees over to the right, but I know the  airport is straight ahead over the ridge.  As I get closer, this  displacement gets worse and worse.  If I pass the airport the 196 does no  correct.  It keeps telling me to go straight or in the completely wrong  direction.  If I pass the airport with the 90, the arrow points to the  tail, tells me to turn around and then guides you directly there, just like  it should.  This was an issue flying into Craig, CO a little while  ago.  I was unfamiliar with the area, so I trusted and followed the 196,  right past town with the Garmin telling me to keep flying straight.  I had  to climb a couple thousand feet for a better view, circle around, and find  the airport the old fashioned way.  

  

 My question is for others flying a 196.  Does  yours do the same thing, or does your heading indicator trustfully point to your  destination from wherever you are and from whatever direction your nose is  pointed?  Or, do I have a bad unit?  Or do I need to somehow program  out this glitch, or do I not know what I'm doing and need some dummy's book on  how to use a GPS?

  

 Thanks,

 Andy

  

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stein(at)steinair.com
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Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 12:35 pm Post subject: Garmin 196 help

Hi  Andy,

  

 I'm  not really sure which "arrow" you're referring to?  is it the HSI/DG  page?

  

 I've  been using my old 196 for years and it's been super accurate the whole time  (even driving my autopilot).

  

 The  other question is why don't you use the map page?  If you put in a "Direct  To" to where you're going you just follow the line....no "arrow" to worry  about?!?!

  

 Cheers,

 Stein.

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jrdial(at)hal-pc.org
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Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 12:51 pm Post subject: Garmin 196 help

                 I have no problem with mine so you are either doing something wrong or there is a problem with that unit.  

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Larry Bowen

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Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 1:00 pm Post subject: Garmin 196 help

You can "follow" the arrow and still be left/right of course.  Are the top middle and bottom of the arrow all aligned?  Or is the center section of the arrow off to the left (for example) -- showing you are right of the direct course? 

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Larry Bowen

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On 6/3/07, SteinAir, Inc. <stein(at)steinair.com (stein(at)steinair.com)> wrote:[quote]        Hi  Andy,

  

 I'm  not really sure which "arrow" you're referring to?  is it the HSI/DG  page?

  

 I've  been using my old 196 for years and it's been super accurate the whole time  (even driving my autopilot).

  

 The  other question is why don't you use the map page?  If you put in a "Direct  To" to where you're going you just follow the line....no "arrow" to worry  about?!?!

  

 Cheers,

 Stein.

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Terry Watson

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 290
Location: Seattle, WA USA

Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 1:00 pm Post subject: Garmin 196 help

Andy,  

   

I think you could make the 196 do as you described if you were to use the cursor to point to a destination on a small scale (zoomed out) map and hit the goto button. What would be happening is that the 196 would be taking you to some point that from a long distance looked like the destination, but as you got closer proved to be some distance away that wasn’t obvious at the small scale. The solution would be to either enter the airport identifier as the destination or to zoom in to it at a large scale to pick it from the screen.  

   

Other than that, I don’t have any suggestions. I haven’t flown much with my 196 recently so I may be missing something.  

   

Terry  

   

         

  

From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Andy Gold

 Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 12:31 PM

 To: rv-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Garmin 196 help  

  

     

I just installed a Garmin 196 in place of my old Garmin 90.  I liked the 90.  It did everything I wanted it to do perfectly and simply for day VFR navigation.  Just enter where you want to go and follow the arrow and it always took me right over the center of the destination airport.  (I never used the map page)  The only reason I gave it up was because the database was 5-6 years old and I couldn't get an update.  

    

   

    

So, I bought a 196.  With all the raving about it here and on other web sites, I looked forward to seeing how great it really was. (for what I use it for I couldn't imagine how it could be any better, but at least its updated with the new maps and AFDs)  

    

   

    

Bottom line is the 196 has a really bad quirk that I don't like at all, enough that if I can't find a solution I'm going to pull it out and reinstall the relic 90. Following the arrow to a destination works great from a distance, but when I get within about 10-15 miles from the destination the arrow starts to skew over one way or the other.  In other words the arrow says that the destination is 30 degrees over to the right, but I know the airport is straight ahead over the ridge.  As I get closer, this displacement gets worse and worse.  If I pass the airport the 196 does no correct.  It keeps telling me to go straight or in the completely wrong direction.  If I pass the airport with the 90, the arrow points to the tail, tells me to turn around and then guides you directly there, just like it should.  This was an issue flying into Craig, CO a little while ago.  I was unfamiliar with the area, so I trusted and followed the 196, right past town with the Garmin telling me to keep flying straight.  I had to climb a couple thousand feet for a better view, circle around, and find the airport the old fashioned way.    

    

   

    

My question is for others flying a 196.  Does yours do the same thing, or does your heading indicator trustfully point to your destination from wherever you are and from whatever direction your nose is pointed?  Or, do I have a bad unit?  Or do I need to somehow program out this glitch, or do I not know what I'm doing and need some dummy's book on how to use a GPS?  

    

   

    

Thanks,  

    

Andy  

    

   

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pilots2(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 1:34 pm Post subject: Garmin 196 help

The 196 has a Aviation , Land and Water mode.  Go into the menu and check out the "Operating Mode" I suspect yours may not be in the "Aviation Mode". 



Reuven Silberman

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                          I have no problem with mine so you are either doing something wrong or there is a problem with that unit.

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ronlee(at)pcisys.net
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Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 2:00 pm Post subject: Garmin 196 help

Leave it to me to ID the possible cause.  I  only know of this from others

 and NOT personal experience.  See if it makes  a difference if you input

 the destination identifier that you put "K" in  front of airports. (Does not

 apply if numbers are in airport ID)

  

 Example:  LAA is a VOR whereas KLAA is the  nearby airport.

  

 Ron Lee

  

  

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d-burton(at)comcast.net
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Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 2:18 pm Post subject: Garmin 196 help

[quote]Hi Andy, Are you using the HSI page?  You do have to watch the “to/from” arrow.  If you fly past your destination the TO arrow flips to FROM which is not too obvious at a glance.  A quick look at the “distance to destination” and you’ll see there are only dashes since you are past your destination.  I’m not sure what the other inaccuracy you are seeing is all about.  Hope some of the other suggestions help! Dave[b]

andygold(at)rkymtnhi.com
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Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 2:25 pm Post subject: Garmin 196 help

It's showing that I'm left or right of what the  direct course would have been, either because I detoured around terrain or  because the RV is just so much fun to fly that we'll play around a bit on the  way to where we're going.

  

 But that shouldn't matter.  At least it didn't  with the Garmin 90.  I know this may be heresy to some, but I don't really  care where I am relative to what the straight line course would have been.   I only care where my destination is relative to where I'm at now.  I'd like  to trust that when the GPS is locked into an official airport identifier that  that's where its going to point to.  

  

 I can always beg forgiveness from the chief pilot  (my wife) or the accountant (my wife) later for burning too much fuel or  spending to much time flying. 

  

 Stein says just fly with the map page  instead.  That may well be what I have to do, but I'll miss the simplicity  of just following the little arrow.

  

 Andy

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

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d-burton(at)comcast.net
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Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 2:38 pm Post subject: Garmin 196 help

Hi Andy,  

   

Just hit “goto” “enter” and the arrow will be well behaved again…  for a while, if you behave.  

   

Dave  

         

  

From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Andy Gold

 Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 3:25 PM

 To: rv-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: Garmin 196 help  

  

     

It's showing that I'm left or right of what the direct course would have been, either because I detoured around terrain or because the RV is just so much fun to fly that we'll play around a bit on the way to where we're going.  

    

   

    

But that shouldn't matter.  At least it didn't with the Garmin 90.  I know this may be heresy to some, but I don't really care where I am relative to what the straight line course would have been.  I only care where my destination is relative to where I'm at now.  I'd like to trust that when the GPS is locked into an official airport identifier that that's where its going to point to.    

    

   

    

I can always beg forgiveness from the chief pilot (my wife) or the accountant (my wife) later for burning too much fuel or spending to much time flying.   

    

   

    

Stein says just fly with the map page instead.  That may well be what I have to do, but I'll miss the simplicity of just following the little arrow.  

    

   

    

Andy  

    

   

    

   

    

   

    

   

    

   

    

   

    

   

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mkellems(at)bellsouth.net
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Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 2:45 pm Post subject: Garmin 196 help

Andy, That was the one  thing I missed when going from the 90 to the 196 and then 296... The arrow does  not function the same. I always liked doing an NDB approach with the 90. You'll  get used to not having it and enjoy the 196 before long. Mike

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randy(at)romeolima.com
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Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 2:46 pm Post subject: Garmin 196 help

Do you have it set to "Track up"?

  

 Randy Lervold

  

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ronlee(at)pcisys.net
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Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 4:29 pm Post subject: Garmin 196 help

Actually my initial guess may not be correct.   If you use the map function is helps

 provide situational awareness and may clue you in  to what is wrong.   I doubt that

 the GPS unit is bad.

  

 Ron Lee

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Doug Gray

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 112
Location: Sydney, Australia

Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 1:46 am Post subject: Garmin 196 help

So then what is the arrow pointing to?  

A township rather than the airport?



Doug



On Sun, 2007-06-03 at 17:44 -0500, Chopper wrote:

[quote] Andy, That was the one thing I missed when going from the 90 to the

 196 and then 296... The arrow does not function the same. I always

 liked doing an NDB approach with the 90. You'll get used to not having

 it and enjoy the 196 before long. Mike

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LloydDR(at)wernerco.com
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Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 6:12 am Post subject: Garmin 196 help

The way to do what you are wanting to do is after you are  done with your side trips is to hit the direct to button, it will update your  course and give you the current course to where you are going. If you enter a  flight plan, it will always have the original plan in there and will give you  directions to intercept that course, so it is working as programmed, you are  just having to much fun of course for it!

 Dan

 N289DT RV10E



   From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com  [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Andy  Gold

Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 6:25 PM

To:  rv-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: Garmin 196  help

 

 It's showing that I'm left or right of what the  direct course would have been, either because I detoured around terrain or  because the RV is just so much fun to fly that we'll play around a bit on the  way to where we're going.

  

 But that shouldn't matter.  At least it didn't  with the Garmin 90.  I know this may be heresy to some, but I don't really  care where I am relative to what the straight line course would have been.   I only care where my destination is relative to where I'm at now.  I'd like  to trust that when the GPS is locked into an official airport identifier that  that's where its going to point to.  

  

 I can always beg forgiveness from the chief pilot  (my wife) or the accountant (my wife) later for burning too much fuel or  spending to much time flying. 

  

 Stein says just fly with the map page  instead.  That may well be what I have to do, but I'll miss the simplicity  of just following the little arrow.

  

 Andy

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

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rocketbob(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 7:21 am Post subject: Garmin 196 help

I have my 196 set up to show Turn as one of the displayed fields on the map page, which is much more useful than the arrow.  It will tell you exactly how much left or right to turn to stay on course.  For normal flying I prefer the 196 over the 396, a transflective monochrome display is much easier to read in the bright cockpit of an RV.  Less glare also.  I'd love to see a monochrome version of the 396. 



Regards,

Bob Japundza

RV-6 flying F1 under const.

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