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It's rather quiet out there, don't you think? Did the land of Oz swallow up everyone? There's got to be some wifi to use to get reports out. Must be having too much fun.
Hey, JC, how about something on Epic? Or how about a thought on how the Cirrus and Cessna entrees into LSA just blew the RV-12 out of the water, if it was ever in the water, given the stall issues. Come on, fellows, gals, set the beer bottles down just for a second and type us poor souls a note!
John Jessen
#40328, and not in the land of Oz.
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| Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 4:23 pm Post subject: How's things in Oz? |
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Hey John - yeah it is quiet, but I haven't noticed an RV-10 population explosion down here! Beleieve it or not, we DO have wifi (and even internet) <grin>.
News out of Osh has been pretty scarce - good call on the plea for info !
cheers,
Ron
in the real land of Oz
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Subject: How's things in Oz?
It's rather quiet out there, don't you think? Did the land of Oz swallow up everyone? There's got to be some wifi to use to get reports out. Must be having too much fun.
Hey, JC, how about something on Epic? Or how about a thought on how the Cirrus and Cessna entrees into LSA just blew the RV-12 out of the water, if it was ever in the water, given the stall issues. Come on, fellows, gals, set the beer bottles down just for a second and type us poor souls a note!
John Jessen
#40328, and not in the land of Oz.
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| Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 7:20 pm Post subject: How's things in Oz? |
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I'll throw in a little something here. The Cirrus LSA has a useful load
of 400 lbs? That's good for fuel, a bag and a pilot or so. Not quite an
RV. Of course, Cirrus is used to being low on useful load.
Tim's plane flies great, even with JC flying it. The steeeeeep turn and
G-pulling was the most fun I've had in a -10 since the aileron roll.
How 'bout that Epic knock-off that was still putting in their booth
Tuesday afternoon?
The Eclipse people are serious about being the leader in the VLJ market
with their single engine 4-seater to answer the Cirrus and Diamond
offerings. I'm not too crazy about the V-tail, though.
RV-10 Headquarters is something every -10 builder should experience. What
a fantastic group of builders.
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Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse(at)saintaviation.com
www.saintaviation.com
352-427-0285
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| Quote: | It's rather quiet out there, don't you think? Did the land of Oz swallow
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everyone? There's got to be some wifi to use to get reports out. Must be
having too much fun.
Hey, JC, how about something on Epic? Or how about a thought on how the
Cirrus and Cessna entrees into LSA just blew the RV-12 out of the water,
if
it was ever in the water, given the stall issues. Come on, fellows, gals,
set the beer bottles down just for a second and type us poor souls a note!
John Jessen
#40328, and not in the land of Oz.
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| Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 7:42 am Post subject: How's things in Oz? |
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The great story on Epic is how they computer stretched the Lancair IVP 50% to get to the Epic LT and now Lancair has unveiled their new improved four passenger that is an Epic shrunk 49%. The new Lancair sure has a powerful PW turbo prop up front.
Mecca was amazing for RV-10s. Scott’s should be in the November issue of AOPA. Jesse has a great interior package. Tim’s plane flies great. Wonderful builders. Lopresti’s seminar on cowl design shows the James brothers are truly from the south.
Lots of new electronics.
“Miss Piggy” the RV-12 mockup is still not ready for primetime. Cessna and Cirrus will take the certified portion. Many builders were interested but all the hoopla on an emerging market is still not documented. The Russian M-12 was interesting and if you can pull the Jabiru option off and install Rotax 914 turbos, it could be interesting.
Back home.
John #600
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Subject: How's things in Oz?
It's rather quiet out there, don't you think? Did the land of Oz swallow up everyone? There's got to be some wifi to use to get reports out. Must be having too much fun.
Hey, JC, how about something on Epic? Or how about a thought on how the Cirrus and Cessna entrees into LSA just blew the RV-12 out of the water, if it was ever in the water, given the stall issues. Come on, fellows, gals, set the beer bottles down just for a second and type us poor souls a note!
John Jessen
#40328, and not in the land of Oz.
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Tim Olson
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| Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 8:15 am Post subject: How's things in Oz? |
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I didn't really see anything in the 4 large hangars that qualified as
"revolutionary" this year. It was all just incremental improvements in
the various existing market. I continue to be surprised though that
there's even a market for lots of VLJ's.
Also, after thinking about it a bit, I don't know if I'm interested
in the RV-12 at all anymore. It's pretty ugly to look at, and
the Sonex seems to be more aerobatically inclined. No, I haven't
quite started a serious hunt to buy another kit, but have been
toying around with the idea of building an aerobatic 2 seater
to play with and perhaps give it to my dad to use as "his" airplane
much of the year. I might be up for a quick building kit.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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| Quote: | The great story on Epic is how they computer stretched the Lancair IVP
50% to get to the Epic LT and now Lancair has unveiled their new
improved four passenger that is an Epic shrunk 49%. The new Lancair
sure has a powerful PW turbo prop up front.
Mecca was amazing for RV-10s. Scott’s should be in the November issue
of AOPA. Jesse has a great interior package. Tim’s plane flies great.
Wonderful builders. Lopresti’s seminar on cowl design shows the James
brothers are truly from the south.
Lots of new electronics.
“Miss Piggy” the RV-12 mockup is still not ready for primetime. Cessna
and Cirrus will take the certified portion. Many builders were
interested but all the hoopla on an emerging market is still not
documented. The Russian M-12 was interesting and if you can pull the
Jabiru option off and install Rotax 914 turbos, it could be interesting.
Back home.
John #600
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It's rather quiet out there, don't you think? Did the land of Oz
swallow up everyone? There's got to be some wifi to use to get reports
out. Must be having too much fun.
Hey, JC, how about something on Epic? Or how about a thought on how the
Cirrus and Cessna entrees into LSA just blew the RV-12 out of the water,
if it was ever in the water, given the stall issues. Come on, fellows,
gals, set the beer bottles down just for a second and type us poor souls
a note!
John Jessen
#40328, and not in the land of Oz.
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| Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 9:42 am Post subject: How's things in Oz? |
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My thoughts are very similar. I had a friend from Salt Lake show up Saturday morning while I was leaving and he and his son only had Saturday and half of Sunday to look around and wanted to know what he should look at. That was a hard one because like Tim said, I didn't see anything at Oshkosh that I am dying for. Oshkosh had a feeling that the "middle class" is starting to go away. Light Sport aircraft was being pushed by the EAA, and 4 place turbines / jets were popping up everywhere. So you had the $25,000 Sonex and the $1MM dollar Evolution / Eclipse / Epic / Cirrus. I was amazed at how many of the Cessna Light Sport aircraft were pre-sold. I think the last number I heard was somewhere in the 500's. That is a $100,000 + dollar aircraft and is basically a newer 152.
In the four / five place single engine category I was very impressed with the Diamond Aircraft DA50. It appeared to have good room, great visibility and huge storage with a 1320 lb. useful load. But for $600,000+ it also had a big price tag.
For EFIS systems, I didn't see anything that made me jealous. I played with the OP EFIS a little but would like to see a head to head Chelton / OP fly-off. Garmin is doing a great job too.
Nothing really great in engines other than the standard Lycoming still appears to be the only reliable choice. The rotary engine was cool but I kept thinking to myself, why? New engine development must be fueled by Jet A if it is going to have a chance of displacing the standard Lycoming. SMA may have something in a few more years though.
This was the first year that Burt Rutan wasn't there giving a forum ( I'm pretty sure). Heard he sold Scaled Composites and probably is off buying a ride to space from the Russians.
This was also the most crowded Oshkosh ever. The camp grounds were completely full and the ATIS for a few days said there was no more room for airplanes unless you were a homebuilt or vintage aircraft. Every spot of grass had an airplane on it. The economy over the past 5 years has been incredible and I think the type of aircraft that are being developed show it and the number of people who are interested in aviation is growing. By Sunday night (before Oshkosh even began) the campground was full all the way to the main road where you enter into the campground.
I also learned something new this year, Oshkosh really starts on Sunday. I bought all my shirts on Sunday, the grounds were very crowded and 80% of the planes were already there.
It appears that a level of saturation is occurring. The growth areas really are new pilots who are going to buy light sport aircraft and 4 place turbines that will go into air taxi service where there isn't any additional pilots added to the current 600,000 just new passengers.
The RV-10 amazed me even more after this trip. For the price of a Cessna Light Sport you can have four seats, cruise at 170 knots and have a plane that is fun to fly with great visibility.
Scott Schmidt
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AV8ORJWC
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I ditto Scott and Tim’s comments. Although I had the privilege of flying a Fighter/Trainer into OSH which qualified for free admission and a free parking pass, the Free dissolved quickly with the cost of 100LL to get both ways. KUAO-KOSH-KUAO. Our usual Air Combat / Formation Training at KMTW looks like that is passing into the History Books. Next year will be the Fiftieth of the Nanchang CJ-6/Yak so it may be the last year for lots of those as well. I was also able to get Paul Grimstad and Deems a perspective of OSH from the air and what the warbirds were about.
The turbine and turbo-props will have to be “Certified” to see Air Taxi operation. Angel Flight has already reached board consistence not to allow carriage of passengers in Amateur built aircraft. Not enough buyers are going to fund the Factory Assist Kit Built over $1,000,000 pursuit, but it remains fun to watch.
I know that Dave Martin, former editor of Kitplanes, turned in his medical and went Sport Pilot, but then he gets to fly over 100 types as an author. I don’t have any other over 55 year old pilots considering the intoxication of the EAA screams of Light Sport coming. I still cannot find the fire for all the smoke and commotion stirred by the EAA for Sport Pilot privileges. Bar NONE, the RV-10 is still the finest kit for the money when equipped with Dual EFIS and IFR Cross Country capability. Their were six beauties to look at, Scott and Rene still have a right to grin and Tim’s was an unforgettable pleasure to bank with a full load of builders “On Board”
Lots of sharing of ideas, great comradery, the weather was fine (for Wisconsin) and it became a most enjoyable week. I already saw signs that some EFIS manufacturers will fade away in the next three years. BMA won’t even support a brand new unit of three years ago as it labeled its own product obsolete with no replacement parts into the future. Much became a rehash of the excitement in years passed.
Kent White, the metal smith guru, was a total no show, three other instructors of seminars were never there and the topics left with crowds waiting in chairs. ATS and other tool suppliers did not offer the significant Daily Special Discounts of years past. Several speakers were poorly prepared yet LoPresti is coming to market with their own wingtips, landing lights and engine cowl specifically for the RV-10 market. The airshow each day was a yawner except for the cold one consumed just outside the security fence while we watched and listened to EAA –AM radio 1510.
All in all, everything waits on the 51% committee to make their final recommendation to save the Lil Guys or sell them out to the Two Weeks to Taxi hired professionals. OSH 2007 was all about the great people that make building for Education and Pleasure so much fun.
John Cox
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> gals, set the beer bottles down just for a second and type us poor souls
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| Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 8:01 pm Post subject: How's things in Oz? |
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I'm disappointed by the lack of news of any substance out of OSH. Everyday I'd check the familiar news sources and see very little in the way of new and potentially interesting up ticks to many of the products that I've been following. I was hoping to hear what new portable GPS Garmin was going to put out, given that many of us in the market for a 496 are now waiting for the other shoe to drop, given the recent reduction in prices. I was also waiting to hear more about Rob's new software, but not much about that (did anyone see it and was it more than what his web site shows?).
I hope to finally get to Oz next year. Never been, and if I wait until the -10 is finished, well, I do want to get there before the next ice age. So, save me a place.
John J
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From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox
Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2007 1:22 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: How's things in Oz?
I ditto Scott and Tim’s comments. Although I had the privilege of flying a Fighter/Trainer into OSH which qualified for free admission and a free parking pass, the Free dissolved quickly with the cost of 100LL to get both ways. KUAO-KOSH-KUAO. Our usual Air Combat / Formation Training at KMTW looks like that is passing into the History Books. Next year will be the Fiftieth of the Nanchang CJ-6/Yak so it may be the last year for lots of those as well. I was also able to get Paul Grimstad and Deems a perspective of OSH from the air and what the warbirds were about.
The turbine and turbo-props will have to be “Certified” to see Air Taxi operation. Angel Flight has already reached board consistence not to allow carriage of passengers in Amateur built aircraft. Not enough buyers are going to fund the Factory Assist Kit Built over $1,000,000 pursuit, but it remains fun to watch.
I know that Dave Martin, former editor of Kitplanes, turned in his medical and went Sport Pilot, but then he gets to fly over 100 types as an author. I don’t have any other over 55 year old pilots considering the intoxication of the EAA screams of Light Sport coming. I still cannot find the fire for all the smoke and commotion stirred by the EAA for Sport Pilot privileges. Bar NONE, the RV-10 is still the finest kit for the money when equipped with Dual EFIS and IFR Cross Country capability. Their were six beauties to look at, Scott and Rene still have a right to grin and Tim’s was an unforgettable pleasure to bank with a full load of builders “On Board”
Lots of sharing of ideas, great comradery, the weather was fine (for Wisconsin) and it became a most enjoyable week. I already saw signs that some EFIS manufacturers will fade away in the next three years. BMA won’t even support a brand new unit of three years ago as it labeled its own product obsolete with no replacement parts into the future. Much became a rehash of the excitement in years passed.
Kent White, the metal smith guru, was a total no show, three other instructors of seminars were never there and the topics left with crowds waiting in chairs. ATS and other tool suppliers did not offer the significant Daily Special Discounts of years past. Several speakers were poorly prepared yet LoPresti is coming to market with their own wingtips, landing lights and engine cowl specifically for the RV-10 market. The airshow each day was a yawner except for the cold one consumed just outside the security fence while we watched and listened to EAA –AM radio 1510.
All in all, everything waits on the 51% committee to make their final recommendation to save the Lil Guys or sell them out to the Two Weeks to Taxi hired professionals. OSH 2007 was all about the great people that make building for Education and Pleasure so much fun.
John Cox
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It's rather quiet out there, don't you think? Did the land of Oz
swallow up everyone? There's got to be some wifi to use to get reports
out. Must be having too much fun.
Hey, JC, how about something on Epic? Or how about a thought on how the
Cirrus and Cessna entrees into LSA just blew the RV-12 out of the water,
if it was ever in the water, given the stall issues. Come on, fellows,
gals, set the beer bottles down just for a second and type us poor souls
a note!
John Jessen
#40328, and not in the land of Oz.
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This is a photo of a mod I bought at OSH for my 10. Got home much faster!
Tom Deutsch
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen
Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2007 10:59 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: How's things in Oz?
I'm disappointed by the lack of news of any substance out of OSH. Everyday I'd check the familiar news sources and see very little in the way of new and potentially interesting up ticks to many of the products that I've been following. I was hoping to hear what new portable GPS Garmin was going to put out, given that many of us in the market for a 496 are now waiting for the other shoe to drop, given the recent reduction in prices. I was also waiting to hear more about Rob's new software, but not much about that (did anyone see it and was it more than what his web site shows?).
I hope to finally get to Oz next year. Never been, and if I wait until the -10 is finished, well, I do want to get there before the next ice age. So, save me a place.
John J
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From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox
Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2007 1:22 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: How's things in Oz?
I ditto Scott and Tim’s comments. Although I had the privilege of flying a Fighter/Trainer into OSH which qualified for free admission and a free parking pass, the Free dissolved quickly with the cost of 100LL to get both ways. KUAO-KOSH-KUAO. Our usual Air Combat / Formation Training at KMTW looks like that is passing into the History Books. Next year will be the Fiftieth of the Nanchang CJ-6/Yak so it may be the last year for lots of those as well. I was also able to get Paul Grimstad and Deems a perspective of OSH from the air and what the warbirds were about.
The turbine and turbo-props will have to be “Certified” to see Air Taxi operation. Angel Flight has already reached board consistence not to allow carriage of passengers in Amateur built aircraft. Not enough buyers are going to fund the Factory Assist Kit Built over $1,000,000 pursuit, but it remains fun to watch.
I know that Dave Martin, former editor of Kitplanes, turned in his medical and went Sport Pilot, but then he gets to fly over 100 types as an author. I don’t have any other over 55 year old pilots considering the intoxication of the EAA screams of Light Sport coming. I still cannot find the fire for all the smoke and commotion stirred by the EAA for Sport Pilot privileges. Bar NONE, the RV-10 is still the finest kit for the money when equipped with Dual EFIS and IFR Cross Country capability. Their were six beauties to look at, Scott and Rene still have a right to grin and Tim’s was an unforgettable pleasure to bank with a full load of builders “On Board”
Lots of sharing of ideas, great comradery, the weather was fine (for Wisconsin) and it became a most enjoyable week. I already saw signs that some EFIS manufacturers will fade away in the next three years. BMA won’t even support a brand new unit of three years ago as it labeled its own product obsolete with no replacement parts into the future. Much became a rehash of the excitement in years passed.
Kent White, the metal smith guru, was a total no show, three other instructors of seminars were never there and the topics left with crowds waiting in chairs. ATS and other tool suppliers did not offer the significant Daily Special Discounts of years past. Several speakers were poorly prepared yet LoPresti is coming to market with their own wingtips, landing lights and engine cowl specifically for the RV-10 market. The airshow each day was a yawner except for the cold one consumed just outside the security fence while we watched and listened to EAA –AM radio 1510.
All in all, everything waits on the 51% committee to make their final recommendation to save the Lil Guys or sell them out to the Two Weeks to Taxi hired professionals. OSH 2007 was all about the great people that make building for Education and Pleasure so much fun.
John Cox
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> if it was ever in the water, given the stall issues. Come on, fellows,
> gals, set the beer bottles down just for a second and type us poor souls
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Nice looking mod.
John J
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From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Deutsch
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 5:57 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: How's things in Oz?
This is a photo of a mod I bought at OSH for my 10. Got home much faster!
Tom Deutsch
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen
Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2007 10:59 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: How's things in Oz?
I'm disappointed by the lack of news of any substance out of OSH. Everyday I'd check the familiar news sources and see very little in the way of new and potentially interesting up ticks to many of the products that I've been following. I was hoping to hear what new portable GPS Garmin was going to put out, given that many of us in the market for a 496 are now waiting for the other shoe to drop, given the recent reduction in prices. I was also waiting to hear more about Rob's new software, but not much about that (did anyone see it and was it more than what his web site shows?).
I hope to finally get to Oz next year. Never been, and if I wait until the -10 is finished, well, I do want to get there before the next ice age. So, save me a place.
John J
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From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox
Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2007 1:22 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: How's things in Oz?
I ditto Scott and Tim’s comments. Although I had the privilege of flying a Fighter/Trainer into OSH which qualified for free admission and a free parking pass, the Free dissolved quickly with the cost of 100LL to get both ways. KUAO-KOSH-KUAO. Our usual Air Combat / Formation Training at KMTW looks like that is passing into the History Books. Next year will be the Fiftieth of the Nanchang CJ-6/Yak so it may be the last year for lots of those as well. I was also able to get Paul Grimstad and Deems a perspective of OSH from the air and what the warbirds were about.
The turbine and turbo-props will have to be “Certified” to see Air Taxi operation. Angel Flight has already reached board consistence not to allow carriage of passengers in Amateur built aircraft. Not enough buyers are going to fund the Factory Assist Kit Built over $1,000,000 pursuit, but it remains fun to watch.
I know that Dave Martin, former editor of Kitplanes, turned in his medical and went Sport Pilot, but then he gets to fly over 100 types as an author. I don’t have any other over 55 year old pilots considering the intoxication of the EAA screams of Light Sport coming. I still cannot find the fire for all the smoke and commotion stirred by the EAA for Sport Pilot privileges. Bar NONE, the RV-10 is still the finest kit for the money when equipped with Dual EFIS and IFR Cross Country capability. Their were six beauties to look at, Scott and Rene still have a right to grin and Tim’s was an unforgettable pleasure to bank with a full load of builders “On Board”
Lots of sharing of ideas, great comradery, the weather was fine (for Wisconsin) and it became a most enjoyable week. I already saw signs that some EFIS manufacturers will fade away in the next three years. BMA won’t even support a brand new unit of three years ago as it labeled its own product obsolete with no replacement parts into the future. Much became a rehash of the excitement in years passed.
Kent White, the metal smith guru, was a total no show, three other instructors of seminars were never there and the topics left with crowds waiting in chairs. ATS and other tool suppliers did not offer the significant Daily Special Discounts of years past. Several speakers were poorly prepared yet LoPresti is coming to market with their own wingtips, landing lights and engine cowl specifically for the RV-10 market. The airshow each day was a yawner except for the cold one consumed just outside the security fence while we watched and listened to EAA –AM radio 1510.
All in all, everything waits on the 51% committee to make their final recommendation to save the Lil Guys or sell them out to the Two Weeks to Taxi hired professionals. OSH 2007 was all about the great people that make building for Education and Pleasure so much fun.
John Cox
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It's rather quiet out there, don't you think? Did the land of Oz
swallow up everyone? There's got to be some wifi to use to get reports
out. Must be having too much fun.
Hey, JC, how about something on Epic? Or how about a thought on how the
Cirrus and Cessna entrees into LSA just blew the RV-12 out of the water,
if it was ever in the water, given the stall issues. Come on, fellows,
gals, set the beer bottles down just for a second and type us poor souls
a note!
John Jessen
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I was in HBC Thurs & Friday. Grandson kept me very busy so could see many of you guys, and no one comes waaaay back to HBC. Mod cost $5-send a check and I’ll ship. (just joking-send cash instead)
Tom Deutsch
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Tom,
Love the mod to your RV10. I missed you at OSH........was looking forward to seeing your plane. Did you fly up with Ray D.? BTW...how much did that mod cost? and does it cruise at 250MPH now? 
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Now that's one way to get out of installling gear fairing and wheel pants:)
Vern Smith (#324 fuselage systems)
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This is a photo of a mod I bought at OSH for my 10. Got home much faster!
Tom Deutsch
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen
Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2007 10:59 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: How's things in Oz?
I'm disappointed by the lack of news of any substance out of OSH. Everyday I'd check the familiar news sources and see very little in the way of new and potentially interesting up ticks to many of the products that I've been following. I was hoping to hear what new portable GPS Garmin was going to put out, given that many of us in the market for a 496 are now waiting for the other shoe to drop, given the recent reduction in prices. I was also waiting to hear more about Rob's new software, but not much about that (did anyone see it and was it more than what his web site shows?).
I hope to finally get to Oz next year. Never been, and if I wait until the -10 is finished, well, I do want to get there before the next ice age. So, save me a place.
John J
#328.
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From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox
Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2007 1:22 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: How's things in Oz?
I ditto Scott and Tim’s comments. Although I had the privilege of flying a Fighter/Trainer into OSH which qualified for free admission and a free parking pass, the Free dissolved quickly with the cost of 100LL to get both ways. KUAO-KOSH-KUAO. Our usual Air Combat / Formation Training at KMTW looks like that is passing into the History Books. Next year will be the Fiftieth of the Nanchang CJ-6/Yak so it may be the last year for lots of those as well. I was also able to get Paul Grimstad and Deems a perspective of OSH from the air and what the warbirds were about.
The turbine and turbo-props will have to be “Certified” to see Air Taxi operation. Angel Flight has already reached board consistence not to allow carriage of passengers in Amateur built aircraft. Not enough buyers are going to fund the Factory Assist Kit Built over $1,000,000 pursuit, but it remains fun to watch.
I know that Dave Martin, former editor of Kitplanes, turned in his medical and went Sport Pilot, but then he gets to fly over 100 types as an author. I don’t have any other over 55 year old pilots considering the intoxication of the EAA screams of Light Sport coming. I still cannot find the fire for all the smoke and commotion stirred by the EAA for Sport Pilot privileges. Bar NONE, the RV-10 is still the finest kit for the money when equipped with Dual EFIS and IFR Cross Country capability. Their were six beauties to look at, Scott and Rene still have a right to grin and Tim’s was an unforgettable pleasure to bank with a full load of builders “On Board”
Lots of sharing of ideas, great comradery, the weather was fine (for Wisconsin) and it became a most enjoyable week. I already saw signs that some EFIS manufacturers will fade away in the next three years. BMA won’t even support a brand new unit of three years ago as it labeled its own product obsolete with no replacement parts into the future. Much became a rehash of the excitement in years passed.
Kent White, the metal smith guru, was a total no show, three other instructors of seminars were never there and the topics left with crowds waiting in chairs. ATS and other tool suppliers did not offer the significant Daily Special Discounts of years past. Several speakers were poorly prepared yet LoPresti is coming to market with their own wingtips, landing lights and engine cowl specifically for the RV-10 market. The airshow each day was a yawner except for the cold one consumed just outside the security fence while we watched and listened to EAA –AM radio 1510.
All in all, everything waits on the 51% committee to make their final recommendation to save the Lil Guys or sell them out to the Two Weeks to Taxi hired professionals. OSH 2007 was all about the great people that make building for Education and Pleasure so much fun.
John Cox
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It's rather quiet out there, don't you think? Did the land of Oz
swallow up everyone? There's got to be some wifi to use to get reports
out. Must be having too much fun.
Hey, JC, how about something on Epic? Or how about a thought on how the
Cirrus and Cessna entrees into LSA just blew the RV-12 out of the water,
if it was ever in the water, given the stall issues. Come on, fellows,
gals, set the beer bottles down just for a second and type us poor souls
a note!
John Jessen
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You bet, and the hours are about the same too!!
Tom Deutsch
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Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 9:05 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: How's things in Oz?
Now that's one way to get out of installling gear fairing and wheel pants:)
Vern Smith (#324 fuselage systems)
Subject: RE: How's things in Oz?
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 07:57:21 -0500
From: deutscht(at)rhwhotels.com
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
This is a photo of a mod I bought at OSH for my 10. Got home much faster!
Tom Deutsch
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen
Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2007 10:59 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: How's things in Oz?
I'm disappointed by the lack of news of any substance out of OSH. Everyday I'd check the familiar news sources and see very little in the way of new and potentially interesting up ticks to many of the products that I've been following. I was hoping to hear what new portable GPS Garmin was going to put out, given that many of us in the market for a 496 are now waiting for the other shoe to drop, given the recent reduction in prices. I was also waiting to hear more about Rob's new software, but not much about that (did anyone see it and was it more than what his web site shows?).
I hope to finally get to Oz next year. Never been, and if I wait until the -10 is finished, well, I do want to get there before the next ice age. So, save me a place.
John J
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From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox
Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2007 1:22 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: How's things in Oz?
I ditto Scott and Tim’s comments. Although I had the privilege of flying a Fighter/Trainer into OSH which qualified for free admission and a free parking pass, the Free dissolved quickly with the cost of 100LL to get both ways. KUAO-KOSH-KUAO. Our usual Air Combat / Formation Training at KMTW looks like that is passing into the History Books. Next year will be the Fiftieth of the Nanchang CJ-6/Yak so it may be the last year for lots of those as well. I was also able to get Paul Grimstad and Deems a perspective of OSH from the air and what the warbirds were about.
The turbine and turbo-props will have to be “Certified” to see Air Taxi operation. Angel Flight has already reached board consistence not to allow carriage of passengers in Amateur built aircraft. Not enough buyers are going to fund the Factory Assist Kit Built over $1,000,000 pursuit, but it remains fun to watch.
I know that Dave Martin, former editor of Kitplanes, turned in his medical and went Sport Pilot, but then he gets to fly over 100 types as an author. I don’t have any other over 55 year old pilots considering the intoxication of the EAA screams of Light Sport coming. I still cannot find the fire for all the smoke and commotion stirred by the EAA for Sport Pilot privileges. Bar NONE, the RV-10 is still the finest kit for the money when equipped with Dual EFIS and IFR Cross Country capability. Their were six beauties to look at, Scott and Rene still have a right to grin and Tim’s was an unforgettable pleasure to bank with a full load of builders “On Board”
Lots of sharing of ideas, great comradery, the weather was fine (for Wisconsin) and it became a most enjoyable week. I already saw signs that some EFIS manufacturers will fade away in the next three years. BMA won’t even support a brand new unit of three years ago as it labeled its own product obsolete with no replacement parts into the future. Much became a rehash of the excitement in years passed.
Kent White, the metal smith guru, was a total no show, three other instructors of seminars were never there and the topics left with crowds waiting in chairs. ATS and other tool suppliers did not offer the significant Daily Special Discounts of years past. Several speakers were poorly prepared yet LoPresti is coming to market with their own wingtips, landing lights and engine cowl specifically for the RV-10 market. The airshow each day was a yawner except for the cold one consumed just outside the security fence while we watched and listened to EAA –AM radio 1510.
All in all, everything waits on the 51% committee to make their final recommendation to save the Lil Guys or sell them out to the Two Weeks to Taxi hired professionals. OSH 2007 was all about the great people that make building for Education and Pleasure so much fun.
John Cox
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> Cirrus and Cessna entrees into LSA just blew the RV-12 out of the water,
> if it was ever in the water, given the stall issues. Come on, fellows,
> gals, set the beer bottles down just for a second and type us poor souls
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Jon Reining
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| Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 1:03 pm Post subject: Re: How's things in Oz? |
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The one thing that really made me go "Cool!" this year was Vertical Power. I know they've been out for a couple months now, but seeing a live demo really made me realize the value, and safety added, by the system. I think it will make wiring much easier as well. Marc Ausman seemed like a great guy to work with.
It was great spending an evening at RV10 HQ and meeting the fellow builders there. A great community! For anybody who missed it, I highly recommend it.
Jon Reining (building with my dad Bill)
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deej(at)deej.net
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| Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 1:22 pm Post subject: How's things in Oz? |
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Jon Reining wrote:
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The one thing that really made me go "Cool!" this year was Vertical Power. I know they've been out for a couple months now, but seeing a live demo really made me realize the value, and safety added, by the system. I think it will make wiring much easier as well. Marc Ausman seemed like a great guy to work with.
I'll second that! My biggest complaint is that it is $7k. If it
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were about $3k, I'd be all over that like a dog on a bone.
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| Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 1:58 pm Post subject: How's things in Oz? |
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It's an awesome product for certain and I would have it in a heartbeat. But as you and many others I have talked with have said, it's about 2-3k above CFO approvals for the return. Now that doesn't seem like much to some but it is to many when that couple of grand is the difference between having that or traffic, or weather, or a second nav/comm., etc.
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| Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 1:59 pm Post subject: How's things in Oz? |
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John,
butter my butt and call me a biscuit...could you explain further your comment " Lopresti’s seminar on cowl design shows the James brothers are truly from the south"
Thanks
Chris Lucas
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jdalton77(at)comcast.net
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| Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 2:50 pm Post subject: How's things in Oz? |
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Maybe they drink lemonade on the porch when it's hot . . .
I don't see anything about a LoPresti Cowl on Lopresti's website. Is this a new product for them? Cost?
Jeff Dalton
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