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acepilot(at)bloomer.net
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 Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 2:24 pm Post subject: fun last Saturday |
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OK, I'll bite. It takes a car 12 trips past the plant to be
"suspicious" and ONE flight of an aircraft overhead. Why do you say the
one overflight is different? If the poster was flying VFR, chances are
he wasn't flying VOR to VOR, for example...so there wouldn't necessarily
be a "highway in the sky" to follow. I'll bet there is a flight path
between some two airports that might put that path over or near to the
plant.
Boats without fishing poles anchored out back. Hmmm, what's up with
that. Maybe they've stopped for lunch?
I think the point is that since an airplane was used in the attacks of
9/11, all planes must be bad. One truck blew up the Federal Building in
OKC and I don't recall seeing a ban on cars past the building now.
What's up with THAT?
How about the boat used against the USS Cole? Are boats outlawed from
ports now?
Scott
http://corbenflyer.tripod.com/
Gotta Fly or Gonna Die
Building RV-4 (Super Slow Build Version)
jhstarn(at)verizon.net wrote:
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I would think that cars that have made a dozen trips back & forth in front as a slower speed than the "ordinary" traffic would have been stopped. Boats without fishing poles anchored at the rivers edge would also be out of the ordinary. Flying by and circling overhead are different things. So is being on the road vs driving around & around in the parking lot. Out of the "ordinary" is the key here. KABONG Do Not Archive
>From: Scott <acepilot(at)bloomer.net>
>Date: 2007/08/30 Thu PM 01:22:07 CDT
>To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: fun last Saturday
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>However, how many cars get stopped after just driving by the plant on
>the road out front? Boats sailing by?
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>Scott
>http://corbenflyer.tripod.com/
>Gotta Fly or Gonna Die
>Building RV-4 (Super Slow Build Version)
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>>OR...could it just be that the citizen alert system is working. Reporting of anything that looks odd or out of place and expect or DEMAND that it be checked out. Sounds to me like the "system" worked.
>>No one was arrested, tossed in jail without a hearing or bail nor beaten to a pulp. Detained, questioned & released, exactly what I would have done and expect the "Thin Blue Line" to continue to do. The sky isn't falling BUT that "could" have been a wolf on sheep's clothing. Do Not Archive. KABONG
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ceengland(at)bellsouth.ne
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| Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 2:38 pm Post subject: fun last Saturday |
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Tracy Crook wrote:
| Quote: | Amen Bob.
Whether by design or just the way politics works, people who are out of
the "mainstream" are going to get their liberties taken away in a
society where individual rights are not valued. We tend to notice the
loss of this particular liberty because flying puts us out of the
mainstream but we totally ignore the injustice in areas where we /are/
mainstream.
Wrong forum to elaborate on this but those who tend to be out of the
mainstream in a lot of areas are in for some bad times. The ones who
conform are going to find themselves in an uncomfortable shrinking box
but they figure that is a reasonable price to pay for security.
Getting rather cynical as I age, so I say a pox on all of us. We always
get the government we deserve. Or as someone once said, "People should
get what they want, and I want them to get it good and hard."
Tracy Crook (venting mode)
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deserve. I'm all dressed up & heading out the door to a 'town meeting'
to oppose the location of the 'Plum Island' replacement in my community.
The next project is to stop the Madison Co, MS version of the Alaskan
Bridge to Nowhere. (Ambitious, aren't I?)
I've discovered that usually, bad things happen in government because
we naively believe government is benevolent and we are indifferent to
what it does. The few who are willing to act, get what they want.
Charlie
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jlisler(at)alltel.net
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| Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 6:37 pm Post subject: fun last Saturday |
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Being employed at nuclear plant, I can tell you that a straight fly over of
our plant at a reasonable altitude does not create any great cause for
concern. However, a low altitude fly over or a plane circling the plant does
raise the alarm in the security force. This will cause a call to the local
authorities, the FBI, and in our case, Cairns Approach out of Fort Rucker,
Alabama. I try to tell them it is not illegal to fly over the plant but
they have their orders from above. Our plant does not even show up on the
sectional so I am not sure how one would expect a transient to know it is
even there.
As far as the monkey under the hat, we would catch that. When entering the
protected area of the plant you must pass through an explosives detector and
a metal detector. The metal detector does not work well at head level (a
generic deficiency of metal detectors) so you must remove all head gear for
a visual inspection. Also, all hand carried items are X-rayed. The security
force is highly trained and professional. They all wear body armour and
carry back packs with about 40 lbs of gear. Each guard carries a fully
loaded AR-15 and are on constant patrol. I would not try to penetrate the
defenses. I think you would get shot.
Jerry Isler
RV-4 N455J (73 hrs)
Licensed Senior Reactor Operator
Farley Nuclear Plant
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Kellym
Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1705
Location: Sun Lakes AZ
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| Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 8:31 pm Post subject: fun last Saturday |
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Hmmm, an airport where ever we want one, expand the runways as needed,
we love that, but don't allow a nuke plant anywhere in my state. 
No issue opposing waste and pork, but we DO need all kinds of
infrastructure improvements for all utilities. NIMBY and BANANA groups
help achieve the gross overrun of costs and schedules.
(for those that don't know...Not In My Back Yard, and Build Absolutely
Nothing Anywhere for the acronyms)
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Charlie England wrote:
| Quote: | I know what you mean, but I don't intend to get the government others
deserve. I'm all dressed up & heading out the door to a 'town meeting'
to oppose the location of the 'Plum Island' replacement in my community.
The next project is to stop the Madison Co, MS version of the Alaskan
Bridge to Nowhere. (Ambitious, aren't I?)
I've discovered that usually, bad things happen in government because
we naively believe government is benevolent and we are indifferent to
what it does. The few who are willing to act, get what they want.
Charlie
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Travis
Joined: 24 Aug 2007
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| Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 7:32 am Post subject: Re: fun last Saturday |
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| Bob Collins wrote: | | Personally, I'm kind of a fan of the existence of "probable cause" before being detained. |
Bob,
Just as an FYI, I don't want to make this a LONG debate, just for educational purposes. The police do NOT need probable cause to detain anyone. Detention by law enforcement merely requires reasonable suspicion. There is a HUGE difference. There have been thousands of cases that have addressed this issue and the supreme court has revisited it MANY times and consistently rules that only reasonable suspicion is required for detention. On another note, probable cause IS REQUIRED for arrest, the difference in arrest and detention is largely misunderstood by the general public. As for detention, I would strongly advise anyone against refusing to identify themself to law enforcement during a detention, you will probably end up being arrested, as most states require that a person wholely & truthfully identify themselves in the case of a detention based upon reasonable suspicion.
More importantly, as a condition of executing your priviledge of acting as PIC, or otherwise as a pilot, the FARs require that you identify yourself to the FAA or ANY other law enforcement upon request. I can assure you that a pilot that refuses to identify himself to law enforcement when he is in or about the area of aircraft that he could be piloting could end up with VERY serious enforcement action against him by the FAA. I would estimate, baring other mitigating circumstance, that said pilot should expect many many months of a suspended pilots license. I know this seems strange, maybe even unfair, but this is an absolute requirement under the FARs.
I do not work for the FAA, in fact I would prefer to never deal with them, but I can asure you that everything I have just stated is 100% accurate.
Travis
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