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robbie(at)atlanticpkg.com
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Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 7:33 am Post subject: Boeing Crosswind Testing Movie (text in Portuguese?)

This may be old hat to some of y'all, but I found it quite  

interesting. Definitely making me re-open the conventional vs.  

tricycle debate with myself.



http://www.motionbox.com/video/player/a09addb11a1e28#1



Robbie Walker

bburril(at)carolina.rr.co
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Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 3:54 am Post subject: Boeing Crosswind Testing Movie (text in Portuguese?)

That's some good clips,but if you will notice the nose wheel is not on the 

ground till the airplane is stable.So i'm thinking that it does not matter a 

hold lot.This is just one tailwheel pilot opinion (rv 6).

 Ben

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dale1rv6(at)comcast.net
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Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 6:42 am Post subject: Boeing Crosswind Testing Movie (text in Portuguese?)

Nice video Robbie, thanks for sharing. Here is one from yesterday in our

RV6a with a 2 turn spin, instrument panel is included:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0ujjspDGXM

This is dedicated to Bert M in Orlando, who inspired me. Do not archive



Happy landings,

Dale

RV6a 920 hrs, large rudder




<robbie(at)atlanticpkg.com>



This may be old hat to some of y'all, but I found it quite  

interesting. Definitely making me re-open the conventional vs.  

tricycle debate with myself.



http://www.motionbox.com/video/player/a09addb11a1e28#1



Robbie Walker

robbie(at)atlanticpkg.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 7:29 am Post subject: Boeing Crosswind Testing Movie (text in Portuguese?)

Sweet... love the Boston at the beginning.

I'm still at the "mental" stage of things, so my decisions seem to  

vacillate.

I was leaning towards a 7 for my wife... but she really doesn't like  

to fly at all so I'm back to leaning towards the 8.

I was leaning towards tricycle but now I'm at conventional.



I guess I need to finish getting my garage cleaned out now that we  

moved in last week and get the empennage ordered.



Robbie Walker



On Sep 12, 2007, at 10:41 AM, Dale Walter wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   

 <dale1rv6(at)comcast.net>



 Nice video Robbie, thanks for sharing. Here is one from yesterday  

 in our

 RV6a with a 2 turn spin, instrument panel is included:



 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0ujjspDGXM

 This is dedicated to Bert M in Orlando, who inspired me. Do not  

 archive



 Happy landings,

 Dale

 RV6a 920 hrs, large rudder



 

 <robbie(at)atlanticpkg.com>



 This may be old hat to some of y'all, but I found it quite

 interesting. Definitely making me re-open the conventional vs.

 tricycle debate with myself.



 http://www.motionbox.com/video/player/a09addb11a1e28#1



 Robbie Walker

Ed Anderson

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 475

Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 7:42 am Post subject: Boeing Crosswind Testing Movie (text in Portuguese?)

Robbie, like most decisions, there are pros and cons.  I have flown both 

taildraggers and nose gear in and out of grass and paved strips.  In my 

advancing years, I find a nose wheel lessens apprehension in coping  with 

adverse wind conditions on landing.   I found on one  emergency aborted 

takeoff (got airborne and put it back down on a 2200 foot strip) that the 

nose wheel enabled me to apply maximum braking (left rubber for 300 ft - no 

lock up, just a good grip) which in a tail dragger would have end up on its 

nose (or back).  On the other hand, as several recent incidents have shown 

landing an Rv- on its nose gear can result on your back as well.  The bottom 

line is neither is going to save you from a really screwed up landing - so 

don't make one {:>).



Getting viewpoints on each is good approach, but ultimately you need to go 

with what You want and feel comfortable with - regardless of other 

viewpoints on your choice.  If you have not yet, try to get a ride in an RV 

both with and without nose gear and see if one appeals to you more than the 

other - because when its said and done, appeal is going to be a large driver 

in your decision.



Good luck



Ed



Ed Anderson

Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered

Matthews, NC

eanderson(at)carolina.rr.com

http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW

http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html

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eanderson@carolina.rr.com

robbie(at)atlanticpkg.com
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Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 10:38 am Post subject: Boeing Crosswind Testing Movie (text in Portuguese?)

Ed,



Thanks for both the excellent advice and the relevant anecdotes. Now  

I have a headache! <grin>



But seriously, that's exactly the sort of thing I'm struggling with.  

On one hand, I like the looks of the conventional gear and it's my  

understanding (having NEVER flown in or landed one...) that they are  

better on grass, worse on pavement. I've also been told that if you  

really know what you are doing, they are no harder to land. But I've  

also seen incident reports where many much more experienced pilots  

than myself ground-looping them or worse. Not that the tricycle are  

immune to landing issues... what plane is?



Also, for everyone else, I'm NOT trying to get this debate started up  

again, I'm just thinking out loud.



Do Not Archive



Robbie Walker



On Sep 12, 2007, at 11:43 AM, Ed Anderson wrote:



[quote] 

 <eanderson(at)carolina.rr.com>



 Robbie, like most decisions, there are pros and cons.  I have flown  

 both taildraggers and nose gear in and out of grass and paved  

 strips.  In my advancing years, I find a nose wheel lessens  

 apprehension in coping  with adverse wind conditions on landing.    

 I found on one  emergency aborted takeoff (got airborne and put it  

 back down on a 2200 foot strip) that the nose wheel enabled me to  

 apply maximum braking (left rubber for 300 ft - no lock up, just a  

 good grip) which in a tail dragger would have end up on its nose  

 (or back).  On the other hand, as several recent incidents have  

 shown landing an Rv- on its nose gear can result on your back as  

 well.  The bottom line is neither is going to save you from a  

 really screwed up landing - so don't make one {:>).



 Getting viewpoints on each is good approach, but ultimately you  

 need to go with what You want and feel comfortable with -  

 regardless of other viewpoints on your choice.  If you have not  

 yet, try to get a ride in an RV both with and without nose gear and  

 see if one appeals to you more than the other - because when its  

 said and done, appeal is going to be a large driver in your decision.



 Good luck



 Ed



 Ed Anderson

 Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered

 Matthews, NC

 eanderson(at)carolina.rr.com

 http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW

 http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html

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dale1rv6(at)comcast.net
Guest

Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 10:43 am Post subject: Boeing Crosswind Testing Movie (text in Portuguese?)

Insurance can be $800 or more higher for the tailwheel. Get a quote before

you build.

Dale



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Ed Anderson

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 475

Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 3:42 pm Post subject: Boeing Crosswind Testing Movie (text in Portuguese?)

Ah, but the joy of having to decide between one or the other {:>).  As you 

pointed out, none are immune from mishaps.  I do agree that an experienced 

tail dragger pilot will seldom have problems - but, I will maintain that a 

nose wheel aircraft can be more "forgiving" (in most, but not all, 

circumstances)  to a less than experienced pilot and I think Dale's comments 

about the insurance rate difference adds some credibility to my statement.



 But, regardless, you will love the RV which ever you decide on.  You are 

always from having to make that decision as you can complete the tail and 

wings before having to decide whether to add the stiffeners in the fuselage 

tail for a tail dragger fitting.  Well, at least you could wait on the older 

models, don't really know about the newer ones, but presumably you can still 

postpone the wheels decision a bit.



Ed

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Ed Anderson
Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
Matthews, NC
eanderson@carolina.rr.com

bill(at)repucci.com
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Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 5:39 pm Post subject: Boeing Crosswind Testing Movie (text in Portuguese?)

Robbie,



Build the airplane you want, not the one others want for themselves.



I'm a low time pilot, about 350 hours, when I first flew my -9.  (For

the record, this is a -9, not a -9A.)  150 of those hours were in

various tail wheel aircraft.  The insurance requirement was all of three

hours in any side-by-side RV before my first flight.



There was no $800 insurance premium for me.  Heck, as near as I can

there was no tail wheel premium attached to this plane.



As for learning how to fly a tail wheel, I'll let you in on a little

secrete, it isn't any harder than learning to land an airplane.  10

hours and you will be ready to solo.  Does the endorsement make you a

better pilot?  Not in my opinion.  What makes someone a good pilot is

their judgment, not how good they are with their feet.



Just remember, when landing a tail wheel airplane the main thing is to

keep it straight, no matter what else happens, just keep it straight and

all will work out.



Bill



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robbie(at)atlanticpkg.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 4:06 am Post subject: Boeing Crosswind Testing Movie (text in Portuguese?)

Thank you everyone for the great advice.



Do Not Archive



Robbie Walker



On Sep 13, 2007, at 9:38 PM, Bill Repucci wrote:



[quote] 

 <bill(at)repucci.com>



 Robbie,



 Build the airplane you want, not the one others want for themselves.



 I'm a low time pilot, about 350 hours, when I first flew my -9.  (For

 the record, this is a -9, not a -9A.)  150 of those hours were in

 various tail wheel aircraft.  The insurance requirement was all of  

 three

 hours in any side-by-side RV before my first flight.



 There was no $800 insurance premium for me.  Heck, as near as I can

 there was no tail wheel premium attached to this plane.



 As for learning how to fly a tail wheel, I'll let you in on a little

 secrete, it isn't any harder than learning to land an airplane.  10

 hours and you will be ready to solo.  Does the endorsement make you a

 better pilot?  Not in my opinion.  What makes someone a good pilot is

 their judgment, not how good they are with their feet.



 Just remember, when landing a tail wheel airplane the main thing is to

 keep it straight, no matter what else happens, just keep it  

 straight and

 all will work out.



 Bill



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bill(at)repucci.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 7:49 pm Post subject: Boeing Crosswind Testing Movie (text in Portuguese?)

BTW, my yearly insurance is $1850 for $75K hull.  I suspect (hope!) it

will come down once I have 100 hours in type.



I would be curious how this compares to others.



Bill



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Ed Anderson

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 475

Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 4:23 am Post subject: Boeing Crosswind Testing Movie (text in Portuguese?)

I paid $1180 this year for $60K hull and usually liability package.  I have 

over 350 hours in type and over 600 total pilot hours.



Ed



Ed Anderson

Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered

Matthews, NC

eanderson(at)carolina.rr.com

http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW

http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html

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Ed Anderson
Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
Matthews, NC
eanderson@carolina.rr.com

dale1rv6(at)comcast.net
Guest

Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 1:51 pm Post subject: Boeing Crosswind Testing Movie (text in Portuguese?)

We also need to know risks, hurricane zone?  Type of hanger? Metro area has

higher costs than rural, may effect hull coverage costs. Other items??

Wilma destroyed 80 planes and dozens of hangers in my area. Insurance rates

went up.

Dale



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