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All, I've had my RV-8A advertised in Trade-A-Plane now for a few weeks and recently had an email dialogue with someone I believe to be a scam artist. Here's what occurred:
The first inquiry from this person indicated he was very interested and asked what type of payment would be acceptable - cashier's check, bank draft or bank wire. His sentence structure and wording indicated to me that english was probably not his native language. He also asked for some pictures via email which I sent and I advised him that I had a CD disk with lots of pix, etc., which I could send by snail mail if he would give me his address. That never happened.
Supposedly this person was in europe at the time attending a conference which was to conclude in a few days, after which he could set up a date to come look at the plane. His last email said that he could not personally check out the plane because he had been reassigned to "western europe" - he then proposed that an "inspection/moving representative" come by and look at the plane. In the meantime, he would send me a "check/bankdraft" for $105K and I would deposit to my bank account. I would keep 20% as a deposit on the plane and write a check for the remainder to the representative to cover inspection and moving expenses.
When I received this last email, I replied that his method of payment was not acceptable and that I would require a bank wire for 10% deposit and another bank wire for the remainder if his representative found the plane to his liking, and that any expenses by the representative would be a matter between that person and the buyer. Since my last response I have heard nothing. It's possible this guy was a bonafide buyer, but I seriously doubt it ........... In fact, I spoke with a person in sales at TAP and was told they have heard of numerious scams concerning the sale of aircraft.
Soooo, just passing it on, if you have an airplane for sale be very careful!
Walt Shipley RV-8, RV-8A
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kahuna
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Yes this is a scam.
Common and found on lots of items, not just airplanes.
The rep would have come by, you would have received a bank check.
Your check would have taken ~20 days to not clear, your stuff would be gone
and no one to be found.
This happens often and has become a great way for folks to get merchandise.
I am surprised to see this on a plane though as this would take some doing
to pawn the parts and get it off your hands.
More common on motorcycles, TV's, cars, and other items than can fit in a
container and be shipped.
I had one of these dudes actually come to pick up my scooter I was selling
~$1k. I knew he was a scammer for the same reasons you mentioned below. I
played along for entertainment factor.
Dude showed up in a moving truck, with lots of other items in it. He was on
his way to Florida to dump his load. Dude took off before I could get the
cops there. I should have planned that better. Would have been nice to see
him hauled off in cuffs.
Bank checks do not mean cleared checks I assure you.
Best,
Mike
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All, I've had my RV-8A advertised in Trade-A-Plane now for a few weeks and
recently had an email dialogue with someone I believe to be a scam artist.
Here's what occurred:
The first inquiry from this person indicated he was very interested and
asked what type of payment would be acceptable - cashier's check, bank
draft or bank wire. His sentence structure and wording indicated to me that
english was probably not his native language. He also asked for some
pictures via email which I sent and I advised him that I had a CD disk with
lots of pix, etc., which I could send by snail mail if he would give me his
address. That never happened.
Supposedly this person was in europe at the time attending a conference
which was to conclude in a few days, after which he could set up a date to
come look at the plane. His last email said that he could not personally
check out the plane because he had been reassigned to "western europe" - he
then proposed that an "inspection/moving representative" come by and look
at the plane. In the meantime, he would send me a "check/bankdraft" for
$105K and I would deposit to my bank account. I would keep 20% as a
deposit on the plane and write a check for the remainder to the
representative to cover inspection and moving expenses.
When I received this last email, I replied that his method of payment was
not acceptable and that I would require a bank wire for 10% deposit and
another bank wire for the remainder if his representative found the plane
to his liking, and that any expenses by the representative would be a
matter between that person and the buyer. Since my last response I have
heard nothing. It's possible this guy was a bonafide buyer, but I seriously
doubt it ........... In fact, I spoke with a person in sales at TAP and was
told they have heard of numerious scams concerning the sale of aircraft
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seiders(at)bellsouth.net
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| Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 6:08 am Post subject: Possible Scam |
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Happened to me selling on Barnstormers. (I didn't buy it) Deal is anytime a party wants to give you a check larger than asking price, have an agent deliver check, and then you are asked to give agent a check for the difference it is a scam 99.99999999999% of the time.
Dick
At 09:55 AM 9/20/2007, you wrote:
| Quote: | Yes this is a scam.
Common and found on lots of items, not just airplanes.
The rep would have come by, you would have received a bank check.
Your check would have taken ~20 days to not clear, your stuff would be gone and no one to be found.
This happens often and has become a great way for folks to get merchandise.
I am surprised to see this on a plane though as this would take some doing to pawn the parts and get it off your hands.
More common on motorcycles, TV's, cars, and other items than can fit in a container and be shipped.
I had one of these dudes actually come to pick up my scooter I was selling ~$1k. I knew he was a scammer for the same reasons you mentioned below. I played along for entertainment factor.
Dude showed up in a moving truck, with lots of other items in it. He was on his way to Florida to dump his load. Dude took off before I could get the cops there. I should have planned that better. Would have been nice to see him hauled off in cuffs.
Bank checks do not mean cleared checks I assure you.
Best,
Mike
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All, I've had my RV-8A advertised in Trade-A-Plane now for a few weeks and recently had an email dialogue with someone I believe to be a scam artist. Here's what occurred:
The first inquiry from this person indicated he was very interested and asked what type of payment would be acceptable - cashier's check, bank draft or bank wire. His sentence structure and wording indicated to me that english was probably not his native language. He also asked for some pictures via email which I sent and I advised him that I had a CD disk with lots of pix, etc., which I could send by snail mail if he would give me his address. That never happened.
Supposedly this person was in europe at the time attending a conference which was to conclude in a few days, after which he could set up a date to come look at the plane. His last email said that he could not personally check out the plane because he had been reassigned to "western europe" - he then proposed that an "inspection/moving representative" come by and look at the plane. In the meantime, he would send me a "check/bankdraft" for $105K and I would deposit to my bank account. I would keep 20% as a deposit on the plane and write a check for the remainder to the representative to cover inspection and moving expenses.
When I received this last email, I replied that his method of payment was not acceptable and that I would require a bank wire for 10% deposit and another bank wire for the remainder if his representative found the plane to his liking, and that any expenses by the representative would be a matter between that person and the buyer. Since my last response I have heard nothing. It's possible this guy was a bonafide buyer, but I seriously doubt it ........... In fact, I spoke with a person in sales at TAP and was told they have heard of numerious scams concerning the sale of aircraft.
Soooo, just passing it on, if you have an airplane for sale be very careful!
Walt Shipley RV-8, RV-8A
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brian.kraut(at)engalt.com
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| Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 6:54 am Post subject: Possible Scam |
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A friend of mine recently ran into another scam that I had not heard of before. He went to look at a Beach Sierra that was advertized by a seller in Florida. He ran the N number through the FAA database and saw that the plane was registered to another guy in Texas. Seemed strange so he called the seller who was even more surprised.
What they found out is that the guy in Texas saw the add and got the data on the plane from the FAA web site then he wrote himself up a bill of sale and registered the plane in his name. Then he took out a loan using the plane as collateral. Luckily this was all found out and the feds notified before someone from the bank cam and repossed the plane months later because the loan was not being paid.
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carlosh(at)sec-engr.com
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| Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 7:11 am Post subject: Possible Scam |
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RED FLAG! RED FLAG!
Who in there right mind would want to give more money than the unit is
worth and then ask for you to cut a check to them? BS. I'm not a bank.
Carlos in AZ
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Richard Seiders wrote:
| Quote: | Happened to me selling on Barnstormers. (I didn't buy it) Deal is
anytime a party wants to give you a check larger than asking price,
have an agent deliver check, and then you are asked to give agent a
check for the difference it is a scam 99.99999999999% of the time.
Dick
At 09:55 AM 9/20/2007, you wrote:
> Yes this is a scam.
> Common and found on lots of items, not just airplanes.
> The rep would have come by, you would have received a bank check.
> Your check would have taken ~20 days to not clear, your stuff would
> be gone and no one to be found.
> This happens often and has become a great way for folks to get
> merchandise.
> I am surprised to see this on a plane though as this would take some
> doing to pawn the parts and get it off your hands.
> More common on motorcycles, TV's, cars, and other items than can fit
> in a container and be shipped.
>
> I had one of these dudes actually come to pick up my scooter I was
> selling ~$1k. I knew he was a scammer for the same reasons you
> mentioned below. I played along for entertainment factor.
> Dude showed up in a moving truck, with lots of other items in it. He
> was on his way to Florida to dump his load. Dude took off before I
> could get the cops there. I should have planned that better. Would
> have been nice to see him hauled off in cuffs.
>
> Bank checks do not mean cleared checks I assure you.
>
> Best,
> Mike
> do not archive.
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> All, I've had my RV-8A advertised in Trade-A-Plane now for a few
> weeks and recently had an email dialogue with someone I believe to be
> a scam artist. Here's what occurred:
>
> The first inquiry from this person indicated he was very interested
> and asked what type of payment would be acceptable - cashier's check,
> bank draft or bank wire. His sentence structure and wording indicated
> to me that english was probably not his native language. He also
> asked for some pictures via email which I sent and I advised him that
> I had a CD disk with lots of pix, etc., which I could send by snail
> mail if he would give me his address. That never happened.
>
> Supposedly this person was in europe at the time attending a
> conference which was to conclude in a few days, after which he could
> set up a date to come look at the plane. His last email said that he
> could not personally check out the plane because he had been
> reassigned to "western europe" - he then proposed that an
> "inspection/moving representative" come by and look at the plane. In
> the meantime, he would send me a "check/bankdraft" for $105K and I
> would deposit to my bank account. I would keep 20% as a deposit on
> the plane and write a check for the remainder to the representative
> to cover inspection and moving expenses.
>
> When I received this last email, I replied that his method of payment
> was not acceptable and that I would require a bank wire for 10%
> deposit and another bank wire for the remainder if his representative
> found the plane to his liking, and that any expenses by the
> representative would be a matter between that person and the buyer.
> Since my last response I have heard nothing. It's possible this guy
> was a bonafide buyer, but I seriously doubt it ........... In fact, I
> spoke with a person in sales at TAP and was told they have heard of
> numerious scams concerning the sale of aircraft.
>
> Soooo, just passing it on, if you have an airplane for sale be very
> careful!
>
> Walt Shipley RV-8, RV-8A
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klwerner(at)comcast.net
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| Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 7:55 am Post subject: Possible Scam |
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Dick,
I think the probability for it to be a scam is closer to 110%!!! Like Mike said, it is somewhat entertaining though.....
How about taking the larger then asking price (although fake) check and then simply disappear on the scammer.....
K.
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brian.kraut(at)engalt.com
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| Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 8:27 am Post subject: Possible Scam |
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All that will get you is a $25 charge from your bank when the check bounces.
>> How about taking the larger then asking price (although fake) check and then simply
>> disappear on the scammer.....
Brian Kraut
Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
www.engalt.com [quote] [b]
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klwerner(at)comcast.net
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| Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 8:36 am Post subject: Possible Scam |
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Brian,
Entertainment is not always free, heck the movies cost you money too.
And who said that I'd even try to cash it. Frame it and put it on the wall.
There is nothing wrong with wasting a scammers valuable scam time...
Konrad
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robin1(at)mrmoisture.com
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| Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 8:38 am Post subject: Possible Scam |
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The good news is that this only represented a financial scam...
A friend of a friend was selling his mint condition Arizona
based Baron. He received a call from an interested party and took them
up for a flight. They never returned. Long story/short. The "buyer" had
been released from prison the day before; he got cleaned up and started
placing calls to purchase an airplane. Apparently on the demo flight the
convict either killed or disabled the seller then landed in the desert
where he may have finished the job and dumped the body. The owner was
missing for about 4 weeks (from my recollection). The authorities found
the body around the same time the convict was caught in the process of
committing another crime in another state. The authorities has no idea
that this was a crime as it looked more like a missing plane in the
desert. Because of the relatively short time between first call and the
flight very few people were in the loop as to who the "buyer" was and
what the plans were relative to the demo flight. Basically no one knew
this was a "plane jacking" till his body was discovered.
There are many lessons here but I don't know where to begin to
discuss them.
Let's be careful out there,
Robin
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klwerner(at)comcast.net
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| Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 9:07 am Post subject: Possible Scam |
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Dear Robin,
Unfortunately, your story it true...
The plane ended up at the (now closed) Coronado Airport here in Albuquerque, NM, with the victims blood all over the interior...
Always remember: If it sounds to good to be true, it probably is...
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mark(at)macomb.com
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| Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 11:46 am Post subject: Possible Scam |
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Walt,
Glad you weren't taken in by this. I used to work for an ISP and we got
reports of this sort of thing left and right. Friends in banking and law
enforcement and they report the same. First time I've heard of this
being done for an airplane. Then again, maybe they just want the check
and not the plane. The newest Internet scam I am aware of is "free" pure
breed puppies if you pay $800 to have them shipped from Africa. They
would be full grown by the time they got through quarantine. Well, that
assumes the puppies exist at all.
Mark
rveighta wrote:
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All, I've had my RV-8A advertised in Trade-A-Plane now for a few weeks and recently had an email dialogue with someone I believe to be a scam artist. Here's what occurred:
The first inquiry from this person indicated he was very interested and asked what type of payment would be acceptable - cashier's check, bank draft or bank wire. His sentence structure and wording indicated to me that english was probably not his native language. He also asked for some pictures via email which I sent and I advised him that I had a CD disk with lots of pix, etc., which I could send by snail mail if he would give me his address. That never happened.
Supposedly this person was in europe at the time attending a conference which was to conclude in a few days, after which he could set up a date to come look at the plane. His last email said that he could not personally check out the plane because he had been reassigned to "western europe" - he then proposed that an "inspection/moving representative" come by and look at the plane. In the meantime, he would send me a "check/bankdraft" for $105K and I would deposit to my bank account. I would keep 20% as a deposit on the plane and write a check for the remainder to the representative to cover inspection and moving expenses.
When I received this last email, I replied that his method of payment was not acceptable and that I would require a bank wire for 10% deposit and another bank wire for the remainder if his representative found the plane to his liking, and that any expenses by the representative would be a matter between that person and the buyer. Since my last response I have heard nothing. It's possible this guy was a bonafide buyer, but I seriously doubt it ........... In fact, I spoke with a person in sales at TAP and was told they have heard of numerious scams concerning the sale of aircraft.
Soooo, just passing it on, if you have an airplane for sale be very careful!
Walt Shipley RV-8, RV-8A
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acepilot(at)bloomer.net
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| Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 12:43 pm Post subject: Possible Scam |
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Sound like a scam to me. I don't understand why they would send more
than a down payment and ask you to refund a portion of the check unless
their $105K check was worthless and you sent off a check before that
fact would have been discovered. Sounds like you were alert and it was
good for you to insist on normal terms like they send you X% down and
the rest at delivery...
Scott
http://corbenflyer.tripod.com/
Gotta Fly or Gonna Die
Building RV-4 (Super Slow Build Version)
rveighta wrote:
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All, I've had my RV-8A advertised in Trade-A-Plane now for a few weeks and recently had an email dialogue with someone I believe to be a scam artist. Here's what occurred:
The first inquiry from this person indicated he was very interested and asked what type of payment would be acceptable - cashier's check, bank draft or bank wire. His sentence structure and wording indicated to me that english was probably not his native language. He also asked for some pictures via email which I sent and I advised him that I had a CD disk with lots of pix, etc., which I could send by snail mail if he would give me his address. That never happened.
Supposedly this person was in europe at the time attending a conference which was to conclude in a few days, after which he could set up a date to come look at the plane. His last email said that he could not personally check out the plane because he had been reassigned to "western europe" - he then proposed that an "inspection/moving representative" come by and look at the plane. In the meantime, he would send me a "check/bankdraft" for $105K and I would deposit to my bank account. I would keep 20% as a deposit on the plane and write a check for the remainder to the representative to cover inspection and moving expenses.
When I received this last email, I replied that his method of payment was not acceptable and that I would require a bank wire for 10% deposit and another bank wire for the remainder if his representative found the plane to his liking, and that any expenses by the representative would be a matter between that person and the buyer. Since my last response I have heard nothing. It's possible this guy was a bonafide buyer, but I seriously doubt it ........... In fact, I spoke with a person in sales at TAP and was told they have heard of numerious scams concerning the sale of aircraft.
Soooo, just passing it on, if you have an airplane for sale be very careful!
Walt Shipley RV-8, RV-8A
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acepilot(at)bloomer.net
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| Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 12:51 pm Post subject: Possible Scam |
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The good news is that the bank wouldn't have shown up in Florida since
the guy who "transferred" the plane to himself in Texas and they would
have went looking there, but I suppose they eventually would have traced
it back to the "previous" owner in FL. Gawd, don't these scammers have
anything better to do than dream up crap like this? do not archive
Scott
http://corbenflyer.tripod.com/
Gotta Fly or Gonna Die
Building RV-4 (Super Slow Build Version)
Brian Kraut wrote:
[quote] A friend of mine recently ran into another scam that I had not heard
of before. He went to look at a Beach Sierra that was advertized by a
seller in Florida. He ran the N number through the FAA database and
saw that the plane was registered to another guy in Texas. Seemed
strange so he called the seller who was even more surprised.
What they found out is that the guy in Texas saw the add and got the
data on the plane from the FAA web site then he wrote himself up a
bill of sale and registered the plane in his name. Then he took out a
loan using the plane as collateral. Luckily this was all found out
and the feds notified before someone from the bank cam and repossed
the plane months later because the loan was not being paid.
Brian Kraut
Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
www.engalt.com
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mhilderbrand
Joined: 28 Sep 2006
Posts: 36
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| Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 2:40 pm Post subject: Possible Scam |
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I had a similar situation trying to sell some of my RC stuff. This perosn actually sent me a cashiers check! I took it to the bank and they looked into the check, oh yeah, it was fraudulent! As long as they are out of the country, I guess there is nothing a person can really do about it... buyer beware! If it sounds fishy.. it probably is.
Michael Hilderbrand
Derby, Kansas
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Ted French
Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 54
Location: Kelowna BC Canada
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| Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 3:59 pm Post subject: Possible Scam |
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I also am selling my RV-10. I had an enquiry and sent some info . The following is the response I recieved.....
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Good day Edwin L French ,
Thanks for the mail and the brife explianation,i am very sorry forgetting back to you so late I had to enquire if this is okay by my customer and he did made me understand that the condition is okay by her and she had agree to pay you ( $250,000 ) as or payment I have an associate in Switerland who I will instruct to issue Out payment to you , I will instruct him to Issue out payment to out U.S Certified Casher's Check so that we can complete this deal as soon as possible.I will instruct him to issue out the sum of ( $350,950 ) this will cover it's price and the shipping,as soon as the payment is in your possesion i will like you to deduct it's price and wire the rest balance to my shipping agent that will arrange for the pick up . So i will like you to get back to me with your full name and contact address as to where payment will be sent to,is as follow ....
FULL NAME...........
ADDRESS........
STATE .....
CITY.........
ZIP CODE.....
COUNTRY.......
CELL PHONE.......#
PHONE............#
Your immediate reasponse will be highly be appreciated. pls do forward it to me
NB:Please i will like you to go ahead and delete the advertisment from the internet because am really interested to purchase the items from your side and
get back to me with your full details request sooner.
I need your quick response..
Kind Regards
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I did not send any more info and took took the e-mail and tracking info to the RCMP for further perusal.
Do Not Archive
Ted French C-FXCS
RV-10 Flying
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cjensen(at)dts9000.com
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| Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 5:07 am Post subject: Possible Scam |
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---Gawd, don't these scammers have anything better to do than dream up
crap like this?---
Well, not really. It's a full time job and can be quite lucrative if
they are good at it...and we are bad at it. The Nigerian "we have money
we want to send you, all we need is your bank account number to send it
to" is a scam that was good for about $35,000,000 last year. P.T.
Barnum had the situation covered in his famous saying. Make sure they
skip your minute.
Chuck
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