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Charles Heathco



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 6:17 am    Post subject: cutting off the sticks Reply with quote

Dont do it! Anyone who is on here actually building. if you are considering shortnig your stick, think twice. I recently took an hr of taildrager time in a 6 with stick cut where top is even with top of your hand when laying on your thigh, about 5 or maybe 6 in shortened. on landing I was having a very hard time holding the nose off, so next time I flew my 6a I tried holding the stick down low, same posit as the taildrager stick, and found same thing, very hard to hold nose off.(fist in crotch) I usuallly fly around with hand on thigh, holding stick low, but always take off and land, as well as tight manuvers with hand up high. Charlie Heathco
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 7:34 am    Post subject: cutting off the sticks Reply with quote

Interesting. While waiting to cut the stick may make sense,
I fly, take-off and land with my hand on my thigh and my fingers
low on the stick. I have to use another hand to activate the
PTT switch on top of the stick.

If I remember, I will provide actual numbers for reference. Note that
I have not done aerobatics in my plane so that may make a difference.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 8:19 am    Post subject: cutting off the sticks Reply with quote

When I built Scooter, I installed a 2 inch sub panel. With the sticks at full length, the stick would get into the panel. I shortened mine two inches and have seen no problems with that. I also fly my RV with my hands well below the top of the stick; but, I move my hand to the top of the stick for take off and landing work.

Cutting the sticks off as much as six inches may be overkill. A longer stick gives leverage and allows for smaller inputs at crucial times. I'd do mine with two inches cut off, again. I'd probably not go beyond that.

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Ed Anderson



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 8:41 am    Post subject: cutting off the sticks Reply with quote

A few years back, Van himself responded to the "Shorten" the stick question. He was not for it. As best I recall, he stated that shortening the stick could cause stick loads doing aerobatics to become uncomfortably high.

While I will cruise with my arm on my knee and fingers gripping the stick about 4 -6 inches below the top, I found that in landing with my hand in that position that stick loads did become higher and responsiveness a bit twitchy. Perhaps continued practice would have improved my performance.

IF you are considering shorting the stick, I would suggest try flying an RV through a number of typical maneuvers with your hand at the "shorten" position and then decide.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 4:04 pm    Post subject: cutting off the sticks Reply with quote

I cut off 2 or 3 inches an am glad I did. It could even stand to loose another inch or so. I made the cut by sitting in the aircraft (with simulated cushons etc) and played with it to see what I liked. Full length stick definately got too close to the panel.

Stick forces are not even close to being a problem even when landing or doing aerobatics.

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On Dec 20, 2007 8:15 AM, Jim Sears <jmsears(at)adelphia.net (jmsears(at)adelphia.net)> wrote:
[quote] When I built Scooter, I installed a 2 inch sub panel. With the sticks at full length, the stick would get into the panel. I shortened mine two inches and have seen no problems with that. I also fly my RV with my hands well below the top of the stick; but, I move my hand to the top of the stick for take off and landing work.

Cutting the sticks off as much as six inches may be overkill. A longer stick gives leverage and allows for smaller inputs at crucial times. I'd do mine with two inches cut off, again. I'd probably not go beyond that.

Jim Sears in KY

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 6:08 pm    Post subject: cutting off the sticks Reply with quote

Hi Jim! Just for grins, how much down elevator would you have when the original stick hit the sub-panel??? Just for grins, how tight an outside loop would you do with the stick against the sub-panel??? Do you do a lot of rolling inverted and push to upright??? Man, I hate those negative Gs!!! Very Happy
Linn .... moving the -10 kit from the airport to the workshop. Sounds like I'm working backwards, doesn't it???
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[quote] When I built Scooter, I installed a 2 inch sub panel. With the sticks at full length, the stick would get into the panel. I shortened mine two inches and have seen no problems with that. I also fly my RV with my hands well below the top of the stick; but, I move my hand to the top of the stick for take off and landing work.

Cutting the sticks off as much as six inches may be overkill. A longer stick gives leverage and allows for smaller inputs at crucial times. I'd do mine with two inches cut off, again. I'd probably not go beyond that.

Jim Sears in KY
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Dont do it! Anyone who is on here actually building. if you are considering shortnig your stick, think twice. I recently took an hr of taildrager time in a 6 with stick cut where top is even with top of your hand when laying on your thigh, about 5 or maybe 6 in shortened. on landing I was having a very hard time holding the nose off, so next time I flew my 6a I tried holding the stick down low, same posit as the taildrager stick, and found same thing, very hard to hold nose off.(fist in crotch) I usuallly fly around with hand on thigh, holding stick low, but always take off and land, as well as tight manuvers with hand up high. Charlie Heathco
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 6:44 pm    Post subject: cutting off the sticks Reply with quote

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> Just for grins, how much down elevator would you have when the original
> stick hit the sub-panel??? Just for grins, how tight an outside loop
> would you do with the stick against the sub-panel???<<

Somebody is trying to be a smart ass, huh? Smile I thought all of that out;
but, the problem was the fact that I'd accidentally smack my hand into the
knobs when I was working the controls during runups, etc. I got tired of
that and cut them off. I don't push the stick, that much, though. I might
throw up in the airplane. Then, I'd have to clean it up. Sad

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> Do you do a lot of rolling inverted and push to upright??? Man, I hate
> those negative Gs!!! Very Happy <<

If my airplane is upside down, I've had one hell of an accident. Smile

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> Linn .... moving the -10 kit from the airport to the workshop. Sounds
> like I'm working backwards, doesn't it???<<

That's a lot better than I'm doing on my -7A. I need a swift kick in the
butt to get moving on my project, again. I guess I'm starting to get tired
of it. This is my third RV project. If I don't fly Scooter any more than I
have been, I may as well sell the kit and the airplane.

Jim in KY

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 7:59 pm    Post subject: cutting off the sticks Reply with quote

In a message dated 12/20/2007 6:06:44 PM Central Standard Time, wdleonard(at)gmail.com writes:
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Full length stick definately got too close to the panel.

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Another consideration is interference with panel controls- my DAR would not pink me until I cut my sticks another 1/2" since the pilot stick would touch the throttle when at idle and stick hard right, full fwd., and the right stick could just graze the mixture control at ICO with stick fully left/fwd. (My throttle and mixture are in a small subpanel under the standard main panel) Even if sticks were an inch shorter, they'd probably still be fine in my plane. No hard aero yet, but rolls are easy with very comfortable stick loading...

See photo at: http://websites.expercraft.com/n51pw/?q=project
and http://websites.expercraft.com/n51pw/index.php?q=log_entry&log_id=7435 which was taken before shortening.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 5:36 am    Post subject: cutting off the sticks Reply with quote

Hummm, I must have been supplied with a shorter stick to begin with. I have a stick grip handle which adds approx 2" to the stick length and have never had a problem with my hand hitting the panel even with the stick full forward. Its close but not touching.

This in an RV-6A - I wonder if there is a difference in spacing between stick location and panel in different models??

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 6:11 pm    Post subject: cutting off the sticks Reply with quote

Ed Anderson wrote:
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Hummm, I must have been supplied with a shorter stick to begin with.
We all have our cross to bear.
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I have a stick grip handle which adds approx 2" to the stick length and have never had a problem with my hand hitting the panel even with the stick full forward. Its close but not touching.
Hmmmm. Maybe I should get one of those???
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This in an RV-6A - I wonder if there is a difference in spacing between stick location and panel in different models??
Probably is. I'll have to try a few models to be sure.
Linn.
Sorry Ed, I just couldn't resist it. Forgive me!
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Subject: Re: cutting off the sticks


In a message dated 12/20/2007 6:06:44 PM Central Standard Time, wdleonard(at)gmail.com (wdleonard(at)gmail.com) writes:
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Full length stick definately got too close to the panel.

>>>

Another consideration is interference with panel controls- my DAR would not pink me until I cut my sticks another 1/2" since the pilot stick would touch the throttle when at idle and stick hard right, full fwd., and the right stick could just graze the mixture control at ICO with stick fully left/fwd. (My throttle and mixture are in a small subpanel under the standard main panel) Even if sticks were an inch shorter, they'd probably still be fine in my plane. No hard aero yet, but rolls are easy with very comfortable stick loading...

See photo at: http://websites.expercraft.com/n51pw/?q=project
and http://websites.expercraft.com/n51pw/index.php?q=log_entry&log_id=7435 which was taken before shortening.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 9:28 pm    Post subject: cutting off the sticks Reply with quote

In a message dated 12/21/2007 7:42:55 AM Central Standard Time, eanderson(at)carolina.rr.com writes:
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This in an RV-6A - I wonder if there is a difference in spacing between stick location and panel in different models??

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I'd reckon there is much more difference in which grip you stick on the stick- each commercially available grip will require some modification to the actual "stick" tube supplied with the kit. Infinity grips (for example) are totally different than the CH grips I used. Bottom line is that the final configuration is acceptable to pilot and DAR...

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 4:20 am    Post subject: cutting off the sticks Reply with quote

Hi Ed-

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This in an RV-6A - I wonder if there is a difference in spacing between
stick location and panel in different models??

In my -8, a RAC/MAC stick grip (the old style) would have hit the fwd panel
had I not modified it. IIRC, I cut about 2" off of it, which I may live to
regret. I kind of like the idea of putting an 'S' curve into the stick, a
la decathlon.

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