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moe(at)rosspistons.com
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Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 11:59 am Post subject: Commander Heater Photos

Sorry these are so late.  N680RR was locked in the hanger where the annual

is being done.



Moe



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Kamala(at)MSN.COM
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Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 3:51 pm Post subject: Commander Heater Photos

<?xml:namespace prefix="v" /><?xml:namespace prefix="o" /><![endif]-->  mm, appox how much $ was the conversion? gmc

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dfalik(at)sbcglobal.net
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Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 4:02 pm Post subject: Commander Heater Photos

The conversion for my 500S from the janitrol to the CD  unit including the solid state controller (an option) was in the neighborhood of $3500.00.  

   

Don  

   

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tfisher(at)commandergroup
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Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 7:02 am Post subject: Commander Heater Photos

Thanks Moe, the images turned out great,

If you also have any showing the routing of all the air ducts then we can 

figure out what we can pull out in the way of old plumbing and components 

related to the pressurization and air conditioning both of which I no longer 

have.

Tom.

C-GISS



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moe(at)rosspistons.com
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Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 8:13 pm Post subject: Commander Heater Photos

Hi Tom,



Please excuse me for being so slow to reply, however, I retired at the end

of the year and have experienced a few email problems while moving from the

Ross office to my new private hobby shop office.



If it will help you, I can scan the pages from the 

Commander book which show a pretty good diagram of how the system works.

Please advise if you need them.



Moe 



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moe(at)rosspistons.com
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Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 8:16 pm Post subject: Commander Heater Photos

Mason,

  

 A little over $ 3,000.00  as I recall, which is less than the fuel bill to Micxhigan from Hawthorne,  CA.

  

 Regards,

  

 Moe



   From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com  [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of MASON  CHEVAILLIER

Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 3:51 PM

To:  commander-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: Commander  Heater Photos

 

<?xml:namespace prefix="v" /><?xml:namespace prefix="o" /><![endif]-->  mm, appox how much $ was the conversion? gmc

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John Vormbaum

Joined: 21 Aug 2006
Posts: 273
Location: SF Bay Area, CA

Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 8:35 pm Post subject: Commander Heater Photos

Moe, congrats on your retirement! Will you have a phone, or will we 

still have to tell the sentry that we're "from the airport" if we want 

to talk to you?







/John



Moe - Ross Racing Pistons wrote:

[quote] 



 Hi Tom,



 Please excuse me for being so slow to reply, however, I retired at the end

 of the year and have experienced a few email problems while moving from the

 Ross office to my new private hobby shop office.



 If it will help you, I can scan the pages from the 

 Commander book which show a pretty good diagram of how the system works.

 Please advise if you need them.



 Moe 



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tfisher(at)commandergroup
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Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 9:47 pm Post subject: Commander Heater Photos

Thanks for the offer, I have the commander books but they don't show me what 

a modified system might be set up like as I have the Mr. RPM conversion 

without the air conditioning or pressurization.  So if someone with that 

configuration could take images.  I do not have the scoop on top of the 

aircraft, should I? I have no idea.

Tom.



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rcdettmer(at)charter.net
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Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 1:24 pm Post subject: Commander Heater Photos

Hi Moe,  

As you may know, I am currently having re-built engines installed on my 680F.  I am concerned that the props may have metal in them from the engine failures, and may need to be overhauled.  Do you know what the TBO is on those props..??  They were overhauled about 700 hours ago.  Thanks.  

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680F / N6253X  

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 Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 8:16 PM

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Mason,  

   

A little over $ 3,000.00 as I recall, which is less than the fuel bill to Micxhigan from Hawthorne, CA.  

   

Regards,  

   

Moe  

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From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of MASON CHEVAILLIER

 Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 3:51 PM

 To: commander-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander Heater Photos  

mm, appox how much $ was the conversion? gmc    

----- Original Message -----   

From: Moe - Ross Racing Pistons (moe(at)rosspistons.com)   

To: commander-list(at)matronics.com (commander-list(at)matronics.com)   

Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 1:57 PM  

Subject: Commander Heater Photos  

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 Sorry these are so late.  N680RR was locked in the hanger where the annual

 is being done.

 

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yourtcfg(at)aol.com
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Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 6:40 pm Post subject: Commander Heater Photos

There is no "official" TBO on Hartzell propellers.  They like them to be O/H every 60 calendar months, with no regard to time in service.  The metal from the engines should have caused no trouble in the props.  There is only one "O" ring that would have been affected.  It is the large ring on the prop dome.  You mechanic should have flushed the propellers and replaced that "O" ring, and the other two, when they installed the propellers on the new engiens.  jb

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BobsV35B(at)aol.com
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Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 8:01 pm Post subject: Commander Heater Photos

Not Moe here, but would you consider having them inspected and relubed  rather than overhauled?

  

 If an approved shop does an "Overhaul", they are required to grind the  blades for stress relief. The IRAN is generally a better idea for a prop that  has a potential of metal contamination.

  

 Happy  Skies,



Old Bob

AKA

Bob Siegfried

Ancient Aviator

628 West  86th Street

Downers Grove, IL 60516

630 985-8502 

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  In a message dated 1/7/2008 3:25:28 P.M. Central Standard Time,  rcdettmer(at)charter.net writes:

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Hi    Moe,   

As you    may know, I am currently having re-built engines installed on my 680F.  I am concerned that the props may have    metal in them from the engine failures, and may need to be overhauled.  Do you know what the TBO is on those    props..??  They were overhauled    about 700 hours ago.     Thanks.   

    

Randy    Dettmer, AIA   

680F /    N6253X 	






Start the year off right.  Easy ways to stay in shape in the new year. 

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jtaddington(at)verizon.ne
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Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 8:52 pm Post subject: Commander Heater Photos

I will through my two cents in. You don't have to worry about an official TBO, Hartzell will come out with an AD every very few years that will end up in an over haul or parts replacement.  

Jim A  

N444BD  

         

  

From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of yourtcfg(at)aol.com

 Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 8:27 PM

 To: commander-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander Heater Photos  

  

   

There is no "official" TBO on Hartzell propellers.  They like them to be O/H every 60 calendar months, with no regard to time in service.  The metal from the engines should have caused no trouble in the props.  There is only one "O" ring that would have been affected.  It is the large ring on the prop dome.  You mechanic should have flushed the propellers and replaced that "O" ring, and the other two, when they installed the propellers on the new engiens.  jb  

TBO is on those props..??  They were overhauled about 700 hours ago.   



 

 

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moe(at)rosspistons.com
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Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 9:25 pm Post subject: Commander Heater Photos

John, Thank you for the congratulations.  My cell phone number is

310.350.4594.  We do not have a home phone number, so I can always be

reached on the cell phone.  There will be no screen unless you are a bill

collector, The Los Angeles Times wanting me to subscribe, an attorney, a

politician or a cheritable organization seeking donations, in which case "no

habla English" or any other language known to man.  



Best regards,



Moe

N680RR

680F(p) 



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moe(at)rosspistons.com
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Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 9:40 pm Post subject: Commander Heater Photos

Hi Randy,

  

 It appears that these guys are giving you wise  council.

  

 Moe



   From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com  [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of  JTAddington

Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 7:04 PM

To:  commander-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: RE: Commander  Heater Photos

 

  

I will through my two  cents in. You don't have to worry about an official TBO, Hartzell will come out  with an AD every very few years that will end up in an over haul or parts  replacement. 

Jim  A 

N444BD 

     

 

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Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 8:27  PM

To: commander-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: Commander  Heater Photos

 

  

There is no "official" TBO on Hartzell propellers.   They like them to be O/H every 60 calendar months, with no regard to time in  service.  The metal from the engines should have caused no trouble in the  props.  There is only one "O" ring that would have been affected.  It  is the large ring on the prop dome.  You mechanic should have flushed the  propellers and replaced that "O" ring, and the other two, when they  installed the propellers on the new engiens.   jb 

TBO is on those props..??  They were overhauled  about 700 hours ago.  



-----Original  Message-----

From: Randy Dettmer, AIA <rcdettmer(at)charter.net>

To:  commander-list(at)matronics.com

Sent:  Mon, 7 Jan 2008 11:01 am

Subject: RE: Commander Heater  Photos    

Hi  Moe,

  

As you may  know, I am currently having re-built engines installed on my 680F.  I am  concerned that the props may have metal in them from the engine failures, and  may need to be overhauled.  Do you know what the TBO is on those  props..??  They were overhauled about 700 hours ago.   Thanks.

  

 

  

Randy  Dettmer, AIA

  

680F /  N6253X

  

 

  

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Dettmer  Architecture

  

663  Hill Street, San Luis Obispo, CA   93405

  

805  541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865

  

http://www.dettmerarchitecture.com/

  

 

  

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From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com)  [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com ([email]owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com?[/email])]On Behalf Of Moe - Ross Racing  Pistons

Sent: Sunday, January  06, 2008 8:16 PM

To: commander-list(at)matronics.com (commander-list(at)matronics.com)

Subject: RE: Commander  Heater Photos

  

 

  

Mason,

  

 

  

A little over $  3,000.00 as I recall, which is less than the fuel bill to Micxhigan from  Hawthorne, CA.

  

 

  

Regards,

  

 

  

Moe

  

 

    



  

From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com)  [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com ([email]owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com?[/email])]  On Behalf Of MASON  CHEVAILLIER

Sent: Tuesday,  January 01, 2008 3:51 PM

To: commander-list(at)matronics.com (commander-list(at)matronics.com)

Subject: Re: Commander  Heater Photos

  

mm, appox how much $  was the conversion? gmc

   

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From: Moe - Ross  Racing Pistons (moe(at)rosspistons.com) 

  

To: commander-list(at)matronics.com (commander-list(at)matronics.com)  

  

Sent: Tuesday, January 01,  2008 1:57 PM

  

Subject: Commander-List:  Commander Heater Photos

  

 

  

             

Sorry these are so late.  N680RR was locked in the hanger where the  annual

is being  done.



Moe



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rcdettmer(at)charter.net
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Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 7:43 am Post subject: Commander Heater Photos

Yes, thanks for the excellent input.  We will be flushing out the props and giving them an inspection.    

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-----Original Message-----

 From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Moe - Ross Racing Pistons

 Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 9:28 PM

 To: commander-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: RE: Commander-List: Commander Heater Photos  

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Hi Randy,  

   

It appears that these guys are giving you wise council.  

   

Moe  

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From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of JTAddington

 Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 7:04 PM

 To: commander-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: RE: Commander-List: Commander Heater Photos  

I will through my two cents in. You don't have to worry about an official TBO, Hartzell will come out with an AD every very few years that will end up in an over haul or parts replacement.  

Jim A  

N444BD  

        

   

From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of yourtcfg(at)aol.com

 Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 8:27 PM

 To: commander-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander Heater Photos  

   

There is no "official" TBO on Hartzell propellers.  They like them to be O/H every 60 calendar months, with no regard to time in service.  The metal from the engines should have caused no trouble in the props.  There is only one "O" ring that would have been affected.  It is the large ring on the prop dome.  You mechanic should have flushed the propellers and replaced that "O" ring, and the other two, when they installed the propellers on the new engiens.  jb  

TBO is on those props..??  They were overhauled about 700 hours ago.   



 

 

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BillLeff1(at)aol.com
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Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 7:31 pm Post subject: Commander Heater Photos

No need to overhaul the props. Just ave them cleaned out, or have them  dissassembled  inspected, reassembled and returned to service. Overhaul is  2500 hrs or 12 years.

  

 Bill Leff



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