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jon

Joined: 14 Mar 2008
Posts: 2
Location: wisconsin

Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 6:11 pm Post subject: Yak 52 or CJ6?

Hello, Im very interested in purchasing a Yak or CJ. I have joined Redstar and just found this forum. My question is what are somethings

to watch for in a purchase and what dealers have a good reputation.

Are CJ parts harder to find than the Yak? I am sure this has been asked

before so Thank You in advance.                       

                                                    John,  

                                                   Wisconsin

kurt(at)scitechsys.com
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Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 9:30 pm Post subject: Yak 52 or CJ6?

I've recently bought a CJ-6. I've posted a bunch of information about my

experience here: http://cj6.scitechsys.com.



-- 

Kurt Howerton

N923YK

http://cj6.scitechsys.com

jon wrote:

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 Hello, Im very interested in purchasing a Yak or CJ. I have joined Redstar and just found this forum. My question is what are somethings

 to watch for in a purchase and what dealers have a good reputation.

 Are CJ parts harder to find than the Yak? I am sure this has been asked

 before so Thank You in advance.                       

                                                     John,  

                                                    Wisconsin

 

 

 

 

 Read this topic online here:

 

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ByronMFox(at)aol.com
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Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 12:13 am Post subject: Yak 52 or CJ6?

In a message dated 3/14/08 7:16:07 PM, wehnerj(at)charter.net writes:

 

 

  	  Quote: 	
		  Hello, Im very interested in purchasing a Yak or CJ. I have joined Redstar and just found this forum. My question is what are somethings

 to watch for in a purchase and what dealers have a good reputation.

 Are CJ parts harder to find than the Yak? I am sure this has been asked

 before so Thank You in advance. 

 	


 

 Bless you for asking, John. We haven't had a spirited CJ vs Yak 52 debate in a while.   What? Three weeks?

 

 My first question would be -- how big are you?   When RPA living legend Pappy Goolsby complained to Sergei Boriak, (http://www.evqshows.com/portal/contenders/SergeiBoriak/), that the 52 wouldn't fit a grown man, Sergei responded dead pan in dialect,"Airplane not beelt for people like you. Beelt for 140lb, 18 year boyz." 

 

 That being truly said, my brother, Steve, though somewhat north of 200lb, fits handily in his 52.   Doubtless, the Yak is indeed the poor man's Extra 300, It'll do anything, and it's the most fun you can in an airplane for one hour. 

 

 By comparison, the CJ like mine is a gentleman's airplane, and does gentlemanly aerobatics. Pappy, as befitting his 25,000 hours and handsome girth, finds it comfortable. 

 

 Happily parts are readily availble for both. Moreover, with one notably exception, the folks who deal in these aircraft have the highest integrity. For example here in the West, our CJ support from Jim Selby, Bill Blackwell and Doug Sapp is superb.   They're not alone. The Yak 52 guys are equally cared for.

 

 So, fear not.   There's endless help available to find the right airplane for you. Welcome!    ...Blitz

 

 Byron M. Fox

 80 Milland Drive

 Mill Valley, CA 94941

 415-307-2405

 

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cpayne(at)joimail.com
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Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 5:57 am Post subject: Yak 52 or CJ6?

Ah yes, the debate that never ends, De Ja Vu all over again (first attributed to Yogi Berra). My first questions to the prospective buyer would first be: What do you really want and what kind of flying are you looking forward to?  I say "forward to", because it ain't gonna be the same as most other backgrounds you may have experienced before.

  

  

 Craig Payne

 cpayne(at)joimail.com (cpayne(at)joimail.com)

  

  

 

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jon

Joined: 14 Mar 2008
Posts: 2
Location: wisconsin

Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 6:48 am Post subject: Re: Yak 52 or CJ6?

First off I am 6'6" tall, the type of flying I want to do is basic aerobatics

 but mostly just enjoying the plane, flying and the people. I only have 

1000hrs mostly tail wheel and a fair amount of multi. 15 years ago a gentleman landed at the airport with a 52. I was taking lessons at the

time, after admiring his plane he asked if I would like to sit in it.

I was in love with Yaks sense. It was a dark blue 52 with just a white

star on the side, I believe the man was from Eagle River WI. and was making the seat into an aux fuel tank.



                                                                 Jon

bwade154(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 7:01 am Post subject: Yak 52 or CJ6?

John I've got a 1985 Yak 52 I've found it to be an excellent aircraft strong like bull minimum maintenance. Purchased it directly from Termikas in Lithuania when the dollar was strong still what an interesting felling to wire the full amount from an e-mail description of the aircraft with only about 4 references on the company, that being said I would do it again today with Termikas they sent an airplane exactly as described. I had a friend purchase from a guy in the Ukraine and got a derelict (unairworthy & missing many important parts) described as a flying aircraft, but I feel he got what he paid for and used the parts from the derelict to fix a broken aircraft that he purchased here in the states. Shakaty in Russia might be another but I have no experience with them. Any of  the major sellers here in the states will treat you right all are frequent writers to this list, and if you find one overseas you might want to have them bring it into the country assemble it and do the certification, radio - intercom (CJ), transponder, ELT, all the sellers on this list are in it for the long haul and not looking to make a fortune from you. 

Which airplane? I would have to say if your thinking acro and or just hanging in the seat belts go for the Yak as it can do all the aresti maneuvers and has a full inverted system fuel and oil two minutes max (that's a long time standing on your head). More power 360 HP. Drawbacks on an original Yak 52 1.5 hour has been my longest flight with pucker factor. Not equipped for night flight. Smaller cabin I'm 215lbs and 5'7" and its snug, seat doesn't move at all, rudder peddles are adjustable maybe 4". Instruments and radio, the original Russian stuff works excellent (if working properly) as they are designed for the aircraft, acro, and vibration. Landing gear hangs out creating drag, an advantage if you forget to put them down but not much though. A Yak TW or W and my favorite Termikas TD overcome most of the drawbacks. CJ marginal acro no inverted systems, its a bigger airplane longer and wider, larger cabin adjustable seats and rudders, lower HP 285 original, carries more fuel and I've been told it cruises faster, landing gear comes up flush,

 Both aircraft will be registered experimental exhibition with operating limitations specific to your local FAA office, which means you can add any of the current uncertified Wis bang avionics, radios, GPS, lights, auto pilots, glass cockpits that the home builders are using. But you cant fly the airplane commercially.

 I think if I were going to buy today I would find one here in the States (licensed and flying) that I liked and have one of the dealers Dennis Doug Cliff go do a pre buy on it. Pays your money and fly it home, then get some serious aircraft specific training and fly the hell out it. 

Bill Wade N4450Y

 Just my two cents worth

 

 

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fougapilot

Joined: 20 Jul 2007
Posts: 88
Location: Flat on my back with minimum airspeed

Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 8:40 am Post subject: Re: Yak 52 or CJ6?

 	  jon wrote: 	
		  First off I am 6'6" tall, the type of flying I want to do is basic aerobatics 	




Jon,



Being in the 6'4" club myself I would recommend a CJ. Nothing wrong with a Yak, they are great airplanes, but like Sergei said "beeltz for 5'10" 18year old boyz".



The CJ is more suited for taller individuals and with the 4" extra leg room promised by the rudder pedal kit (which I have coming but not tried yet) will make this airplane very comfortable even in Xcountry.



As for aerobatics, true, the Yak kicks a CJ any day of the week. Still the CJ is a good aerobatic platform and does everything (it is capable of) very well. Plus it is a forgiving airplane.



My 0.02$



Dan

kurt(at)scitechsys.com
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Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 10:20 am Post subject: Yak 52 or CJ6?

I'm 6'3", north of 270lbs and fit the CJ just fine (I've never tried on

a Yak). I'm looking forward to the extra leg room the rudder pedal mod

should provide, though.



Best purchase I've ever made.



-- 

Kurt Howerton

N923YK

http://cj6.scitechsys.com

jon wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   

 

 First off I am 6'6" tall, the type of flying I want to do is basic aerobatics

  but mostly just enjoying the plane, flying and the people. I only have 

 1000hrs mostly tail wheel and a fair amount of multi. 15 years ago a gentleman landed at the airport with a 52. I was taking lessons at the

 time, after admiring his plane he asked if I would like to sit in it.

 I was in love with Yaks sense. It was a dark blue 52 with just a white

 star on the side, I believe the man was from Eagle River WI. and was making the seat into an aux fuel tank.

 

                                                                  Jon

ChangDriver

Joined: 15 Sep 2007
Posts: 266

Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 2:01 pm Post subject: Re: Yak 52 or CJ6?

Jon:



I am in the process of having a CJ6 restored by Barry Hancock of Worldwide Warbirds in Chino, CA.  I talked to lots of folks and flew in a number of planes before making the decision on 1) a CJ and 2) Barry Hancock.  I have been thrilled so far with the work that Worldwide Warbirds has done on my plane.  I'm 6'2'' and 180 lbs.  My plane will have the extra 4" leg room rudder pedal mod (a Worldwide Warbird design) and the Malcom Hood (bubbled canopy for more head room), extended range tanks (designed by Worldwide Warbirds), and a host of other mods.



The CJ fit the bill for me with great looks, with extended range tanks - a decent x-country platform, a bigger cockpit, more comfortable (for me), and it will do "warbird aerobatics" which is all I need and want to do at my age of 48 (if I wanted to do aerobatics, I'd buy a Pitts S1).  Plus, the RPA and Yak-listers (some of whom are not RPA members) are a great bunch of people who love planes with round engines that drip oil and turn the props the "wrong" way.



You will find, on this list, that 52 owners love their planes and CJ owners love theirs too.  Each has strengths and weaknesses (all planes do).  As others have said, you need to look at what you want to do with a plane.  Go see these planes in person.  Go fly in each.



If you are in Wisconsin, go to OSH this year and see a bunch of em!!



Just my $0.02 too.



Craig

CJ6 - N8100C

flushjohnson(at)charter.n
Guest

Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 2:16 pm Post subject: Yak 52 or CJ6?

I have owned a CJ for 9 years and love the airplane. I considered the 52 but 

after flying both cross country, 2-3 hrs. the CJ is much more comfortable. 

It will do all the aerobatics that the avarage pilot will ever want to do.I 

do a lot of formation flying and the CJ is much more stable do to the longer 

dihedrel wing. The CJ with the stock 285 engine will out perform the 52 in 

every aspect except roll rate , initial climb rate. The CJ is about 20 kts. 

faster than the 52. In cruise with a 52 at about 120 kts the CJ will burn 

about 13 gph. vs 16 to 17 for the 52.

I just purchased my second CJ with the 360 hp motor which makes the 

aairplane a different beast. It will out climb the 52 by 500 fpm. cruise 35- 

40 kts faster at  the same power setting. The CJ will cost on the avarage 

about 15 to 20k more than a comprable 52.

I am going to put my original CJ on the market for 80k well equipped. If you 

are interested give me a call cell 817 366 3150 or Email 

flushjohnson(at)charter.net.



Thanks

Forrest  Johnson

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flushjohnson(at)charter.n
Guest

Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 6:50 am Post subject: Yak 52 or CJ6?

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mark.bitterlich(at)navy.m
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Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 11:23 am Post subject: Yak 52 or CJ6?

Being in the 6'6" plus category I recommend to never trust what anyone

says.  Go sit in each aircraft yourself and check. 



Reason.... Height is a combination of leg length and torso height.

Depending on which dimension gives one that "real tall" definition

determines whether one can fit in a CJ or YAK-52.  



I can fly neither, but do fit in a 50.  Torso height is 48 inches.  In a

CJ if I sit directly on the seat pan, I still have to turn my head to

the side to close the canopy. 



Mark Bitterlich

 



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flushjohnson(at)charter.n
Guest

Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 6:34 am Post subject: Yak 52 or CJ6?

CJ parts seem to be more readly available. Doug Sapp is the best source for 

parts. It doesnt make any difference wheather you buy from a dealer or an 

individual, you still have to check the over the plane and logs very 

carefully.

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