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ChangDriver
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 Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 6:17 am Post subject: Different Props for Housai |
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Has anyone put a different prop on a Housai. It would seem as though a 3-bladed composite prop would add some nice climb performance to the CJ with a Housai. I thought I saw a 4-blade design on the web site from the folks who are still making the CJ.
Craig
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| Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 7:07 am Post subject: Different Props for Housai |
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Craig,
Reports are that the Chinese three blade will cost you about 5 kts and 5K (for a used one). Let me know if you want one. I have a customer who bought one and flew it for only 7-8 hours and went back to the two blade because it was faster. Sexy yes, faster no.
As far as the Chinese building 360 or 400 hp engines for the new CJ7, yes it is true they are being licensed to do so. But IMHO you and I will not live long enough to see overhauled engines cycle through thier system, reach a point of excess and be offerd to the US market at a price point compareable to the Russian engines. Considering that the Chinese feel that a new HS6A is worth in excess of 45K right now, one can only guess that a new Chinese P or PF would cost.
See yall at OSH.
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Has anyone put a different prop on a Housai. It would seem as though a 3-bladed composite prop would add some nice climb performance to the CJ with a Housai. I thought I saw a 4-blade design on the web site from the folks who are still making the CJ.
Craig
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| Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 3:39 pm Post subject: Re: Different Props for Housai |
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At those kind of prices for engines, we can buy a surplus aircraft, take the engine and part out the plane and be ahead of the game.
Craig
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| Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 4:13 pm Post subject: Different Props for Housai |
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Craig,
You can buy a surplus aircraft with a 0 time engines? I can't find them for around 40K? 50K maybe. Most of the aircraft imported latley are timed out by Chinese standards, engine 500 hours, and airframe (at) 3800 to 4000 hours. If you want a 500 hour engine there is no need to go to all that bother, they are all over the US for 3-4K.
No unfortunatly the days of the 10K 285 is long gone. If you can buy one for 15 to 18K take my advice and do it, 2 years or less you will thank me. M14P's are pushing 25K and the rmb is still gaining strength aginst the dollar. They are talking about par by Christmas, you do the math.
On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 4:39 PM, Craig Winkelmann, CFI <capav8r(at)gmail.com (capav8r(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
[quote]--> Yak-List message posted by: "Craig Winkelmann, CFI" <capav8r(at)gmail.com (capav8r(at)gmail.com)>
At those kind of prices for engines, we can buy a surplus aircraft, take the engine and part out the plane and be ahead of the game.
Craig
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| Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 11:20 am Post subject: Different Props for Housai |
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Par by Christmas? Who's talking about the rmb C currently worth 14 cents C being worth a dollar by hristmas? That would put Wal-Mart out of business. The chances of that are less than the chances of Hillary becoming McCain's VP.
Date: Wed C 9 Jul 2008 17:10:36 -0700
From: dougsappllc(at)gmail.com
To: yak-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Re: Different Props for Housai
Craig C
You can buy a surplus aircraft with a 0 time engines? I can't find them for around 40K? 50K maybe. Most of the aircraft imported latley are timed out by Chinese standards C engine 500 hours C and airframe (at) 3800 to 4000 hours. If you want a 500 hour engine there is no need to go to all that bother C they are all over the US for 3-4K.
No unfortunatly the days of the 10K 285 is long gone. If you can buy one for 15 to 18K take my advice and do it C 2 years or less you will thank me. M14P's are pushing 25K and the rmb is still gaining strength aginst the dollar. They are talking about par by Christmas C you do the math.
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At those kind of prices for engines C we can buy a surplus aircraft C take the engine and part out the plane and be ahead of the game.
Craig
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| Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 1:45 pm Post subject: Different Props for Housai |
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Ron,
You miss the point. THEY think that par or close to par is in fact going to happen, rather is does or does not is not the issue. Because of this belief they are either refusing to sell, (waiting for the big bucks), or have jacked up the price on most items 20% to 30% and 40% on selected items. To the Chinese seller of aircraft parts, you are akin to Bill Gates, and you have so much money that another 20% to 30% will not stop you from buying parts. They read Trade a Plane too. They are eager to site the doubling of fuel prices not stopping us from driving our big cars. Right or wrong it's all about perceptions. And yes you are correct, the RMB is only worth 0.1455 cents to our Pacific Peso today, but not too long ago it was only worth 0.05!! These folks are poised to eat our lunch, I have been in this game nearly 20 years, am in China at least once a year every year and have seen the changes. Believe me my friend when I say that we are right on the edge of being in very deep poop!
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| Quote: | Par by Christmas? Who's talking about the rmb, currently worth 14 cents, being worth a dollar by hristmas? That would put Wal-Mart out of business. The chances of that are less than the chances of Hillary becoming McCain's VP.
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 17:10:36 -0700
From: dougsappllc(at)gmail.com (dougsappllc(at)gmail.com)
To: yak-list(at)matronics.com (yak-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Re: Re: Different Props for Housai
Craig,
You can buy a surplus aircraft with a 0 time engines? I can't find them for around 40K? 50K maybe. Most of the aircraft imported latley are timed out by Chinese standards, engine 500 hours, and airframe (at) 3800 to 4000 hours. If you want a 500 hour engine there is no need to go to all that bother, they are all over the US for 3-4K.
No unfortunatly the days of the 10K 285 is long gone. If you can buy one for 15 to 18K take my advice and do it, 2 years or less you will thank me. M14P's are pushing 25K and the rmb is still gaining strength aginst the dollar. They are talking about par by Christmas, you do the math.
On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 4:39 PM, Craig Winkelmann, CFI <capav8r(at)gmail.com (capav8r(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
| Quote: | --> Yak-List message posted by: "Craig Winkelmann, CFI" <capav8r(at)gmail.com (capav8r(at)gmail.com)>
At those kind of prices for engines, we can buy a surplus aircraft, take the engine and part out the plane and be ahead of the game.
Craig
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| Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 5:48 pm Post subject: Different Props for Housai |
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Doug’s correct! You should see what they have on the boards for combat aircraft and air defense. They have read our play book thanks to….
Doc
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Ron,
You miss the point. THEY think that par or close to par is in fact going to happen, rather is does or does not is not the issue. Because of this belief they are either refusing to sell, (waiting for the big bucks), or have jacked up the price on most items 20% to 30% and 40% on selected items. To the Chinese seller of aircraft parts, you are akin to Bill Gates, and you have so much money that another 20% to 30% will not stop you from buying parts. They read Trade a Plane too. They are eager to site the doubling of fuel prices not stopping us from driving our big cars. Right or wrong it's all about perceptions. And yes you are correct, the RMB is only worth 0.1455 cents to our Pacific Peso today, but not too long ago it was only worth 0.05!! These folks are poised to eat our lunch, I have been in this game nearly 20 years, am in China at least once a year every year and have seen the changes. Believe me my friend when I say that we are right on the edge of being in very deep poop!
On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 12:15 PM, Ron Davis <l39parts(at)hotmail.com (l39parts(at)hotmail.com)> wrote:
Par by Christmas? Who's talking about the rmb, currently worth 14 cents, being worth a dollar by hristmas? That would put Wal-Mart out of business. The chances of that are less than the chances of Hillary becoming McCain's VP.
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 17:10:36 -0700
From: dougsappllc(at)gmail.com (dougsappllc(at)gmail.com)
To: yak-list(at)matronics.com (yak-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Re: Re: Different Props for Housai
Craig,
You can buy a surplus aircraft with a 0 time engines? I can't find them for around 40K? 50K maybe. Most of the aircraft imported latley are timed out by Chinese standards, engine 500 hours, and airframe (at) 3800 to 4000 hours. If you want a 500 hour engine there is no need to go to all that bother, they are all over the US for 3-4K.
No unfortunatly the days of the 10K 285 is long gone. If you can buy one for 15 to 18K take my advice and do it, 2 years or less you will thank me. M14P's are pushing 25K and the rmb is still gaining strength aginst the dollar. They are talking about par by Christmas, you do the math.
On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 4:39 PM, Craig Winkelmann, CFI <capav8r(at)gmail.com (capav8r(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Craig Winkelmann, CFI" <capav8r(at)gmail.com (capav8r(at)gmail.com)>
At those kind of prices for engines, we can buy a surplus aircraft, take the engine and part out the plane and be ahead of the game.
Craig
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=192044#192044
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Doug Sapp
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