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by0ung(at)brigham.net
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Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 7:01 pm Post subject: Cross Country Dreams

http://home.tx.rr.com/kolbrapilot/Links.htm



 



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		   John,

 I don't see the link to John's page.  Can you post it again?

 Thanks,

 Cristal


	


I don't know what browser you are using.....   once I downloaded the page I

hit  "file,,,   save as,,,"  and named it "john_w_links.htm"  in my

documents directory.   Then if you need the info...  go to "file,,, open,,,"

Boyd

lucien

Joined: 03 Jun 2007
Posts: 721
Location: santa fe, NM

Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 7:30 pm Post subject: Re: Cross Country Dreams

 	  NeilsenRM(at)comcast.net wrote: 	
		  Cristal



Do you think you can fly maybe 100 miles? Plot out your trip in 100 mile 

increments. Its just a bunch of short trips put end to end. If you don't 

like mid day thermals then take a long lunch break. Start at sunrise and put 

in 2-3 legs in the morning then 1-2 evening legs. If the weather gets bad 

don't fly. Be sure to allow alot of time. You never know how long the 

weather will hold you up.

--- 	




For what it's worth coming from an inexperienced long xcountry pilot,



This was the strategy I used on my ferry trip of my titan and it worked really well for me. I flew it from Norfolk, NE here to Santa Fe, NM. The original plan was a few very long legs, but once I got going, I basically opted for airport-hopping the whole way. The longest leg was about 110 miles. It was a LOT more fun that way, IMO, as the navigation was easier , I got to do more takeoffs and landings and it was just more relaxing.



The bad decision, however, was making the flight in the spring . It took me almost a week to make the trip due to simply hurricane force winds virtually every day. There was a tornado in Lamar, CO the night I stayed over at that airport. I'm just glad they let me in their community hangar for the night, otherwise me and the titan would probably still be somewhere else on the planet.



So I spent way more time out there than I'd planned. This sounds fairly normal, tho, from what experienced flyers say, so I don't feel too bad.



I havn't decided yet if long xcountry flying is really my bag, but I'm going to do some more shorter flights locally when the weather starts getting better to see. 



LS

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Titan II SS

cristalclear13

Joined: 19 Sep 2007
Posts: 363
Location: Southeast Georgia

Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 7:55 pm Post subject: Re: Cross Country Dreams

From looking at the sectionals and sky vector it looks like I could airport hop between airports that have fuel without having too long of stretches.  The longest stretches being at the beginning where I could easily call for someone to come help me if necessary.

I tried to avoid any major airports/restricted areas/etc.

I will further investigate this route by looking at the A/FD and sectionals.

This route would also let me stop off at a relatives house in northern AL helping to make it a two day trip (wx permitting of course).

Here it is:

ays tma aby euf auo alx scd plr gad 8a0 5m0 9a4 2m2 ghm m02 m91 4m7 m21 210 ehr cul



This came out to 607NM when I plugged it into skyvector.com

I'll also plan to try out the EAA flight planner.

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Cristal Waters
Kolb Mark II Twinstar Rotax 503 DCSI Sept 2007 - sold Sept 2012
Private Pilot Aug 2008
ELSA Repairman for N193Y April 2008
Rotax 2 stroke maintenance April 2009

NeilsenRM(at)comcast.net
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Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 8:24 pm Post subject: Cross Country Dreams

Cristal



Another tool that is real nice to have is weather on your cell phone. I use 

Pilot My-cast. Its real handy to see what you are going to fly into no 

matter where you are. More than once checked the weather before I got out of 

my warm sleeping bag. This tool is mostly current information and only 

available where you get cell phone coverage. Pilot My-cast also has TFRs and 

other features but I primarily use it for weather. Its $10 per month so you 

can sign up only when you need it. You also need internet access, Sprint 

charges me $15/mo for unlimited access again with no connect fees.



I understand that weather underground also has cell phone weather for free. 

There maybe others that have free more pilot related weather for cell 

phones.



Rick Neilsen

redrive VW powered MKIIIC



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cristalclear13

Joined: 19 Sep 2007
Posts: 363
Location: Southeast Georgia

Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 4:14 am Post subject: Re: Cross Country Dreams

 	  John Hauck wrote: 	
		  Your airplane, two or 

four stroke will run on 100LL.

	




If I already have automobile gas in my tanks can I just add the 100LL (or vice versa)?

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Cristal Waters
Kolb Mark II Twinstar Rotax 503 DCSI Sept 2007 - sold Sept 2012
Private Pilot Aug 2008
ELSA Repairman for N193Y April 2008
Rotax 2 stroke maintenance April 2009

Thom Riddle

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1597
Location: Buffalo, NY, USA (9G0)

Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 4:20 am Post subject: Re: Cross Country Dreams

In addition to airnav.com and aeroplanner.com, both of which I use to good advantage, there is another, newer website that is really useful for flight planning.



http://navmonster.com/



Check it out. Once you've specified your start and end point and see the map, be sure to check out all the other information automatically provided at each of the tabs at the top of the window. All very useful.

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John Hauck

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 4639
Location: Titus, Alabama (hauck's holler)

Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 5:14 am Post subject: Cross Country Dreams

 	  Quote: 	
		   If I already have automobile gas in my tanks can I just add the 100LL (or 

 vice versa)?



 --------

 Cristal Waters

 Mark II Twinstar


	




Cristal:



Yes, you can mix mogas and 100LL.



I never had a problem back in my two stroke days, and I run both in my 

912's.



johnh

mkIII

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John Hauck
MKIII/912ULS
hauck's holler
Titus, Alabama

jbhart(at)onlyinternet.ne
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Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 6:59 am Post subject: Cross Country Dreams

At 05:14 AM 8/27/08 -0700, you wrote:

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 	  Quote: 	
		  If I already have automobile gas in my tanks can I just add the 100LL (or 

vice versa)?
	


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Cristal,



It will run fine, but your fuel flow rate will increase with the use of 

100LL.



Jack B. Hart FF004

Winchester, IN

jbhart(at)onlyinternet.ne
Guest

Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 7:14 am Post subject: Cross Country Dreams

At 08:55 PM 8/26/08 -0700, you wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  



>From looking at the sectionals and sky vector it looks like I could airport hop between airports that have fuel without having too long of stretches.  The longest stretches being at the beginning where I could easily call for someone to come help me if necessary.

I tried to avoid any major airports/restricted areas/etc.

I will further investigate this route by looking at the A/FD and sectionals.

This route would also let me stop off at a relatives house in northern AL helping to make it a two day trip (wx permitting of course).

Here it is:

ays tma aby euf auo alx scd plr gad 8a0 5m0 9a4 2m2 ghm m02 m91 4m7 m21 210 ehr cul



This came out to 607NM when I plugged it into skyvector.com

I'll also plan to try out the EAA flight planner.



--------


	


Cristal,



I have to vote for Airnav Fuel planner.  It lets you input your max hop 

distance and it will plan a route or routes with that distance.  It also 

gives you info on who has car gas available at the airport.  When you check 

out the airports on the list(s), you can see if an airport is small plane 

friendly by checking what kinds of aircraft are stored there.



If you want to plan your own stops, you can put in the beginning and end 

flights and it will list all of the airports within your selected distance 

from the straight line distance between the beginning and ending airports.  

This list is important if you run into a quarterly head wind and get low 

on fuel, because you can pick the closest downwind airport.



http://www.airnav.com/plan/fuel/



Jack B. Hart FF004

Winchester, IN

cristalclear13

Joined: 19 Sep 2007
Posts: 363
Location: Southeast Georgia

Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 8:06 am Post subject: Re: Cross Country Dreams

 	  jbhart(at)onlyinternet.ne wrote: 	
		  I have to vote for Airnav Fuel planner.  It lets you input your max hop 

distance and it will plan a route or routes with that distance.  It also 

gives you info on who has car gas available at the airport.  When you check 

out the airports on the list(s), you can see if an airport is small plane 

friendly by checking what kinds of aircraft are stored there.

http://www.airnav.com/plan/fuel/



Jack B. Hart FF004

Winchester, IN 	




Jack,

Looks like airports that offer mogas are too far apart for me and it looks like many airports are close to 6 dollars for 100LL.  This could be much more expensive that what I had originally thought.

I suppose I could call the airports I plan to stop at and see if they'll let me use the car (then I could go get 4 dollar premium and save some money).

Thanks.

_________________
Cristal Waters
Kolb Mark II Twinstar Rotax 503 DCSI Sept 2007 - sold Sept 2012
Private Pilot Aug 2008
ELSA Repairman for N193Y April 2008
Rotax 2 stroke maintenance April 2009

Dennis.Kirby(at)kirtland.
Guest

Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 9:04 am Post subject: Cross Country Dreams

<< very basic etrex garmin gps (not aviation and no built-in map) >>



Cristal -



You'll find that even the most basic GPS units, like your little yellow

Garmin eTrex, will work fine for aviation.  You get plenty of utility,

even without the moving map or aviation database features that all the

expensive "aviation quality" GPS units have. 



Last year, I purchased a new eTrex (for $79) for hiking, and decided to

see if I could make it useful for flying in my Mark-3.  I already had a

Magellan handheld aviation GPS (with moving map) that I use when flying

my Kolb, but I wanted to prove to myself that this el-cheapo GPS could

also work.



The eTrex does almost everything my Magellan will do: Display your

groundspeed, heading, bearing to your destination, ETE, and a bunch

more.  It even gives you a very nice "HSI-like" compass display, showing

your heading AND your destination's current bearing from your present

position.  Very easy to visualize where your destination is relative to

the course line you are following.



The main thing is to practice a little before taking it flying - I did

several walks around my block with the eTrex GPS in hand, to become

accustomed to using to the unit's features.  Know how to use your GPS

well, before you launch in your airplane.



And I would echo Robert Laird's advice to flight plan for only one leg

(destination airport) at a time.  Makes it much easier that way.



Good luck with your flight planning ... and have fun!



Dennis Kirby

Mark-3 Classic, 912ul, N93DK in

Cedar Crest, NM

John Hauck

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 4639
Location: Titus, Alabama (hauck's holler)

Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 9:14 am Post subject: Cross Country Dreams

> Looks like airports that offer mogas are too far apart for me and it 

looks like many airports are close to 6 dollars for 100LL.  This could be 

much more expensive that what I had originally thought.

 	  Quote: 	
		   I suppose I could call the airports I plan to stop at and see if they'll 

 let me use the car (then I could go get 4 dollar premium and save some 

 money).

 Thanks.



 --------

 Cristal Waters

 Mark II Twinstar


	




Cristal W:



The following is a comment I made yesterday reference fuel:



"One word of advice for UL and lt plane xc flyers.  Don't walk up to the FBO

with your empty gas can, ask the FBO to use the courtesy car to go to town

to buy fuel.  The man is trying to make a living.  Your airplane, two or

four stroke will run on 100LL."



John Williamson got me out of the habit of looking at the price of fuel at 

airports, whining about the price and ruining my day.  He told me, "John, if 

you are going to fly and enjoy your airplane on cross country flights, don't 

look at the fuel pump, fill the tank, and go have a good time."  For the 

last few years that has been my attitude.  Flying any kind of airplane on a 

cross country flight is expensive, but it is also a lot of fun, excitement, 

with a great sense of fulfillment.  It is a challenge that normal folks 

don't get a chance to do and will never know.  But it ain't free.



I reemphasize, using an FBO's courtesy car to go buy somebody else's fuel 

reflects poorly on our small segment of aviation.  Of course, by the time 

you put some gas in the courtesy car and buy car gas in town, you will have 

spent more money that if you had bought gas at the airport and pumped it 

right out of the tank.  Another reason for buying fuel out of the pump at 

the airport is the safety aspect of getting good, clean, double filtered, 

fresh fuel that will not let you down.



john h

mkIII

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John Hauck
MKIII/912ULS
hauck's holler
Titus, Alabama

John Hauck

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 4639
Location: Titus, Alabama (hauck's holler)

Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 9:17 am Post subject: Cross Country Dreams

> It will run fine, but your fuel flow rate will increase with the use of

 	  Quote: 	
		   100LL.



 Jack B. Hart FF004


	




Jack H:



If there is a difference in fuel burn between mogas and 100LL I never 

noticed.



Only you would be able to measure the difference.  



john h

mkIII

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John Hauck
MKIII/912ULS
hauck's holler
Titus, Alabama

John Hauck

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 4639
Location: Titus, Alabama (hauck's holler)

Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 9:23 am Post subject: Cross Country Dreams

When you check

 	  Quote: 	
		   out the airports on the list(s), you can see if an airport is small plane

 friendly by checking what kinds of aircraft are stored there.

 > Jack B. Hart FF004
	


Jack H/Gang:



Worrying about "ultralight friendly and/or small airplane friendly airports" 

is a waste of time.



I plan and fly my MKIII just like the a King Air or Cessna Citation pilot. 

If it is not a private airport, I got all the same rights and privileges as 

anyone else.



I don't think airports post signs that indicate they are small airplane 

friendly.  They are in business to sell fuel and fix airplanes, large, 

medium, and little ones like ours.



If occasionally I do fly into an airport that is not too friendly, I use 

their bathroom, get some fuel, if I need it, and keep on going.



john h

mkIII

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MKIII/912ULS
hauck's holler
Titus, Alabama

John Hauck

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 4639
Location: Titus, Alabama (hauck's holler)

Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 9:29 am Post subject: Cross Country Dreams

-----  >> let me use the car (then I could go get 4 dollar premium and save 

some

 	  Quote: 	
		  > money).

> Thanks.

>

> --------

> Cristal Waters

> Mark II Twinstar


	




Cristal W:



Missed the above when I read your message.



Burning permium fuel in a 503 is a waste of money.  The book clearly 

indicates 87 octane works great!!!



john h

mkIII

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John Hauck
MKIII/912ULS
hauck's holler
Titus, Alabama

jbhart(at)onlyinternet.ne
Guest

Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 9:41 am Post subject: Cross Country Dreams

At 12:16 PM 8/27/08 -0500, you wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  

Jack H:



If there is a difference in fuel burn between mogas and 100LL I never 

noticed.



Only you would be able to measure the difference.  




	


John H,



If you were flying with a five gallon tank, you would notice.



Also, you get more bang for the dollar out of 87 octane than premium too.



Jack B. Hart FF004

Winchester, IN

cristalclear13

Joined: 19 Sep 2007
Posts: 363
Location: Southeast Georgia

Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 9:52 am Post subject: Re: Cross Country Dreams

 	  John Hauck wrote: 	
		  The following is a comment I made yesterday reference fuel:



"One word of advice for UL and lt plane xc flyers.  Don't walk up to the FBO

with your empty gas can, ask the FBO to use the courtesy car to go to town

to buy fuel.  The man is trying to make a living.  Your airplane, two or

four stroke will run on 100LL."



John Williamson got me out of the habit of looking at the price of fuel at 

airports, whining about the price and ruining my day.  He told me, "John, if 

you are going to fly and enjoy your airplane on cross country flights, don't 

look at the fuel pump, fill the tank, and go have a good time."  For the 

last few years that has been my attitude.  Flying any kind of airplane on a 

cross country flight is expensive, but it is also a lot of fun, excitement, 

with a great sense of fulfillment.  It is a challenge that normal folks 

don't get a chance to do and will never know.  But it ain't free.



I reemphasize, using an FBO's courtesy car to go buy somebody else's fuel 

reflects poorly on our small segment of aviation.  Of course, by the time 

you put some gas in the courtesy car and buy car gas in town, you will have 

spent more money that if you had bought gas at the airport and pumped it 

right out of the tank.  Another reason for buying fuel out of the pump at 

the airport is the safety aspect of getting good, clean, double filtered, 

fresh fuel that will not let you down.



john h

mkIII 	




Makes sense.  Better start saving up my cents.

_________________
Cristal Waters
Kolb Mark II Twinstar Rotax 503 DCSI Sept 2007 - sold Sept 2012
Private Pilot Aug 2008
ELSA Repairman for N193Y April 2008
Rotax 2 stroke maintenance April 2009

jlsk1(at)frontiernet.net
Guest

Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 10:50 am Post subject: Cross Country Dreams

John, maybe they had heard about your Sleeping habits? : )Ive not landed 

there in my Kolb, but in other planes, & assumed they would treat me no 

differently in the Kolb.

Oh well.



Jim

Do not archive

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cristalclear13

Joined: 19 Sep 2007
Posts: 363
Location: Southeast Georgia

Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 11:31 am Post subject: Re: Cross Country Dreams

 	  jb92563 wrote: 	
		  Probably a good idea to work you way up to XC flights.



	




I've gotten quite a bit of this kind of advice (from here, email and locally), so I suppose I'll start out planning some 50-100 mile trips and see how that goes!



I really appreciate everyone's input and stories.  What fun!

_________________
Cristal Waters
Kolb Mark II Twinstar Rotax 503 DCSI Sept 2007 - sold Sept 2012
Private Pilot Aug 2008
ELSA Repairman for N193Y April 2008
Rotax 2 stroke maintenance April 2009

jbhart(at)onlyinternet.ne
Guest

Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 12:13 pm Post subject: Cross Country Dreams

Cristal.



There is nothing wrong with walking up to the FBO with your empty gas can 

and asking to use the courtesy car to go to town to buy fuel, if you 

compensate the FBO for the car use and tip the difference in the fuel price. 

 Most FBO understand that different engines require different fuels.  If the 

FBO does not go for it and you need fuel, buy 100LL.



Jack B. Hart  FF004

Winchester, IN

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