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pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com
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 Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 2:53 am Post subject: Cross Country Dreams |
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If you were flying with a five gallon tank, you would notice.>
How you guys go on about the price of fuel! If you were buying 1000 gallons
I could understand it but for the amount that the average ultralighter uses
in a year the differenc between one price and another wouldn`t buy a good
meal..
We fly for fun, and the odd $100 hamburger doesn`t figure. Its not the
hamburger its the fun of flying somewhere to get it that makes it worth
while. How can you put a price on fun?
Pay up and stop moaning. Pity we couldn`t buy it and put it in store, it
will seem bloody cheap in 10 years time.
Pat
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pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com
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| Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 3:09 am Post subject: Cross Country Dreams |
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Is there a guide anywhere that tells what airports are ultralight-friendly?
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I am surprised that you are still having this problem.
In the UK there was strong feeling against UL`s when things started out but
the picture has now changed completely. UL`s are welcomed almost everywhere.
I think this has come about because the fraternity is no longer seen as
bikers of the skies but fly responsibly and are pretty much up to speed with
airport procedures.
Of course if you want to fly in to Heathrow......
Cheers
Pat
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Dana
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Location: Connecticut, USA
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| Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 5:08 pm Post subject: Cross Country Dreams |
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At 07:08 AM 8/31/2008, pj.ladd wrote:
| Quote: | I am surprised that you are still having this problem.
In the UK there was strong feeling against UL`s when things started out
but the picture has now changed completely. UL`s are welcomed almost
everywhere. I think this has come about because the fraternity is no
longer seen as bikers of the skies but fly responsibly and are pretty much
up to speed with airport procedures...
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Well, you require some sort of pilot certificate for anything that's not
foot launched now, don't you? Here the true ultralights are still pretty
minimally regulated. Most pilots are responsible, but there are always a
few jerks who think they don't to know anything about procedures, airspace,
and the like. All it takes is one of them to give an airport manager a bad
taste for ultralights.
-Dana
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When you were born, you cried and the world rejoiced...
Live your life so that when you die, the world cries and you rejoice.
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pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com
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| Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 7:33 am Post subject: Cross Country Dreams |
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Well, you require some sort of pilot certificate for anything that's not
foot launched now, don't you? >>
Hi Dana
Yes. Quite right. Its not really too onerous. Not quite up to the standard
of the normal PPL but it gives you the basics of Nav, Met, Air law and
normal flyskills. Nothing fancy. Your plane too will be up to standard,
still pretty minimal but the design must be approved and any major
departures from the approved design have to be OK`d. There has recently been
the introduction of a `sub 115 Kg` category which is pretty mush like your
ultralight cat. The Firefly qualifies and there are a number of new designs
in the wings. (No pun intended)
Most pilots are responsible, but there are always a
few jerks who think they don't to know anything about procedures, airspace,
and the like. All it takes is one of them to give an airport manager a bad
taste for ultralights.>>
Yeah! Every country has them. Part of the problem with airport managers I
think was that the low speeds of the Ul`s messed up the circuits with other
GA aircraft. Now pilots with low speed approaches tend to keep their circuit
speeds well up and only slow up on finals.
Apart from that so many of the planes which are in the microlight bracket
are now indistinguishable from normal GA in both appearance and performance
that things have ironed themselves out.
Your wide open spaces enable you to ignore officialdom to a greater extent
than we can.Once upon a time I was part owner of 1000acre Ranch about 60
miles outside Denver. If I had lived there permanently I think that I would
have flown a UL with no licence without too many worries >
Cheers
Pat
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Dana
Joined: 13 Dec 2007
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Location: Connecticut, USA
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| Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 9:04 am Post subject: Cross Country Dreams |
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At 11:30 AM 9/5/2008, pj.ladd wrote:
| Quote: | ...the low speeds of the Ul`s messed up the circuits with other GA
aircraft. Now pilots with low speed approaches tend to keep their circuit
speeds well up and only slow up on finals.
Apart from that so many of the planes which are in the microlight bracket
are now indistinguishable from normal GA in both appearance and
performance that things have ironed themselves out.
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That's different, too, since here the ultralight category doesn't include
those newer, faster aircraft. The new LSA category was supposed to absorb
all the fat ultralights and to an extent it has, but it's more a downward
extension of the GA category... with ultralights still a noticeably
different class, all the aluminum tube and sailcloth planes (with a few
exceptions like the lighter Kolbs).
| Quote: | Your wide open spaces enable you to ignore officialdom...
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That's a sacred tradition! 
-Dana
do not archive
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And they shall beat their swords into plowshares, for if you hit a man
with a plowshare, he'll know he's been hit!
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slyck(at)frontiernet.net
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| Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 2:05 pm Post subject: Cross Country Dreams |
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That is the goofy loophole built into the system. Some of the old
type certificated manufacturers, given the marketing demands of the time
were want to stick as high a gross on the thing as possible to
attract buyers. -come many years later it has worked negatively on the
prospects for these good old birds, putting too many of them just out
of reach of LSA. One of the better eliminated (IMO) was the C-140.
Now, preinformed, all a manufacturer has to do is stick a1320 label
on it. The most extreme example to date is the Jabiru.
That thing is actually a 4 passenger airplane with the back seat
removed. -good plane too if you can afford one.
BB
On 5, Sep 2008, at 1:01 PM, Dana Hague wrote:
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At 11:30 AM 9/5/2008, pj.ladd wrote:
> ...the low speeds of the Ul`s messed up the circuits with other GA
> aircraft. Now pilots with low speed approaches tend to keep their
> circuit speeds well up and only slow up on finals.
> Apart from that so many of the planes which are in the microlight
> bracket are now indistinguishable from normal GA in both
> appearance and performance that things have ironed themselves out.
That's different, too, since here the ultralight category doesn't
include those newer, faster aircraft. The new LSA category was
supposed to absorb all the fat ultralights and to an extent it has,
but it's more a downward extension of the GA category... with
ultralights still a noticeably different class, all the aluminum
tube and sailcloth planes (with a few exceptions like the lighter
Kolbs).
> Your wide open spaces enable you to ignore officialdom...
That's a sacred tradition!
-Dana
do not archive
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And they shall beat their swords into plowshares, for if you hit a
man with a plowshare, he'll know he's been hit!
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