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MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com
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Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 7:18 pm Post subject: Control Stick Grips

OK, I'm all torn up.  The Infinity grips are sexy but I just don't think 

I want all that function on the stick.  This is a cruiser not a hot 

ass.  Heck, I'm a cruiser, not a hot ass, at least not any longer...



I looked and played with the Infinity grips at Osh.  Nicely designed and 

built.  Price is ok too.  The Ray Allens were kept at arm's length just 

because they looked so stogy.  But now that I've thought things through, 

the G305/G307 is looking like the right tool on the AS catalog page.    

I now wish I had looked and played with them at Osh.



Specifically, I don't want my flap switch on the stick - a single panel 

mount rocker is where I'm going.  I do want a hat switch for my trim on 

the stick and of course a PTT.  I've never flown with an autopilot so I 

don't really know about a autopilot disco switch.



I'm very interested in comparisons of the Infinity and the RA grips - 

quality, comfort, RV10 fit.  Also thoughts on switch function.  Price 

just doesn't matter here given the price range. 



Bill "panel cutting, instrument mounting, and wire routing" Watson

rene(at)felker.com
Guest

Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 7:40 pm Post subject: Control Stick Grips

I went with the Infinity grips...very happy....



First, my opinion, you must have the autopilot disconnect on the

stick....just my opinion.  But when you need it you will need to have your

hand on the stick and when the autopilot goes wacko you need to have your

hand on the stick and throttle and not reaching for another switch....during

testing I had a hard pitch over and was happy to have the switch on the

stick.



On the pilot side I have the following switch config...



Left top, autopilot disconnect

Hat switch, trims (elevator and aileron)

Right top, flap

Trigger, press to talk

Thumb, Freq flip flop on SL30

Pinky, Ident

Rene'

801-721-6080

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carl.froehlich(at)cox.net
Guest

Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 7:41 pm Post subject: Control Stick Grips

I have the Infinity grip in my 8A, and will put it in the 10. 



I find having the flaps on the stick to work well (toggle switch, momentary

down, stays on in the up position).  In fact I would not recommend any other

place.  The other functions used:

1.  PTT

2. Comm frequency flip flop.  I use this a lot.

3.  Auto pilot disconnect.   This is real handy to engage the wing leveler

without needing to divert your eyes or move a hand to the panel.  For

straight stick flying I keep the auto pilot in wing leveler mode just for

this reason. 

4.  Trim hat.



I originally had the starter button on the stick.  I found this problematic

and have since move the starter button to a side panel.



Carl Froehlich



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rv10free2fly(at)yahoo.com
Guest

Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 7:43 pm Post subject: Control Stick Grips

Bill, check out the CS-8 stick grips made by CH Products.  Check out their products at the Tosten Manufacturing website at www.tostenmanufacturing.com 



 These grips are functional and very comfortable for left and right had interchangeability.  Hope this helps.

  

 Regards

  

 Patrick

 RV-10 #40299

 VH-XPP



   From: MauleDriver <MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com>

To: RV10-List Digest Server <rv10-list(at)matronics.com>

Sent: Tuesday, 11 November, 2008 1:47:40 PM

Subject: Control Stick Grips



--> RV10-List message posted by: MauleDriver <MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com (MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com)>



OK, I'm all torn up.  The Infinity grips are sexy but I just don't think I want all that function on the stick.  This is a cruiser not a hot ass.  Heck, I'm a cruiser, not a hot ass, at least not any longer...



I looked and played with the Infinity grips at Osh.  Nicely designed and built.  Price is ok too.  The Ray Allens were kept at arm's length just because  they looked so stogy.  But now that I've thought things through, the G305/G307 is looking like the right tool on the AS catalog page.    I now wish I had looked and played with them at Osh.



Specifically, I don't want my flap switch on the stick - a single panel mount rocker is where I'm going.  I do want a hat switch for my trim on the stick and of course a PTT.  I've never flown with an autopilot so I don't really know about a autopilot disco switch.



I'm very interested in comparisons of the Infinity and the RA grips - quality, comfort, RV10 fit.  Also thoughts on switch function.  Price just doesn't matter here given the price range. 

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Phil.Perry(at)netapp.com
Guest

Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 7:48 pm Post subject: Control Stick Grips

I'm really tempted to have mine carved out of hardwood.



PTT and maybe elevator trim...  But like you, I'm hoping to make them

look classy.



 



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Tim Olson

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Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 7:58 pm Post subject: Control Stick Grips

I'd agree with Rene'.  As you know I have the Infinity grips,

and it would be insane NOT to put an AP disconnect on the

stick.  There are so many functions that would be convenient

to put on a stick grip that even the infinity could use another

switch or two if it could be done nicely.  So I wouldn't skimp

on quantities of switches.  Chances are you'll find use for

every one of them.



Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying

do not archive

Rene wrote:

[quote] 

 

 I went with the Infinity grips...very happy....

 

 First, my opinion, you must have the autopilot disconnect on the

 stick....just my opinion.  But when you need it you will need to have your

 hand on the stick and when the autopilot goes wacko you need to have your

 hand on the stick and throttle and not reaching for another switch....during

 testing I had a hard pitch over and was happy to have the switch on the

 stick.

 

 On the pilot side I have the following switch config...

 

 Left top, autopilot disconnect

 Hat switch, trims (elevator and aileron)

 Right top, flap

 Trigger, press to talk

 Thumb, Freq flip flop on SL30

 Pinky, Ident

 

 

 Rene'

 801-721-6080

 

 

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robin1(at)mrmoisture.com
Guest

Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 8:48 pm Post subject: Control Stick Grips

I vote for the Infinity. The Tosen grips look slick if you can live with

less function. I had Infinity them on my 4 & 6A and now the -10. I also

agree with the requirement for the AP disconnect as one of the most

important functions at fingers reach. Picture approach control saying

"Traffic Alert 1 mile turn 30 degrees left" It's nice NOT look down,

just hit the red button and start turning. I also have PTT, Flip/Flop,

dual trim. I don't have ident but would do so next time. 

My 6A has the flaps on the stick and panel. I really liked the stick

flaps (momentary down, full auto up- Great for Go-Arounds). I didn't do

it on my -10 because of the preset stop option on the flaps.

Please remember to "clock" your grip to suit your arm/hand angle for max

comfort.



Good luck,

Robin

MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com
Guest

Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 10:53 am Post subject: Control Stick Grips

Thanks for all the great feedback!  I love this list and I do contribute.



The most impressive thing about the Infinity grip is that people that 

have put them in earlier a/c, are putting them in their '10s.  And  the 

jet-gamer aesthetic is cool.    'Nuff said.



I'm still thinking through the function thing and I'm still leaning 

towards FREQFUNC (frequently used functions) rather than HOTAS.  Hat 

switch, PTT, and autopilot disco are mandatory.  Thinking through a 

typical IFR CC, a freq flip/flop makes sense.  I do that every 45mins or 

so now and dreaming of doing it every 30mins or less in the future (see 

RV grin here).  An ident switch?  I do that once every 2 or 3 flights.  

Probably once a flight VFR.  Doesn't need to be on the stick. 



Flaps remain an open switch.  At 17 I learned that the electric flaps 

are on a switch next to the throttle (C150).  Since then, I've flown 

with a Johnson bar between the seats (Maule) , a sliding lever in my 

left hand (LS6), and a rotating wheel with index stops going from -8 to 

+90 (PIK20b). At 5X I'm regressing so  a simple switch next to the 

throttle should see me through dementia.  Use it once a flight on the 

way up and once on the way down.  And as a former glider guider, I don't 

do go-arounds.



While the Ray Allen stick grips aren't impressive in pics or on display, 

I have to admit  that the set I saw in a '10 looked pretty good.  The 

CS-8 from Tosten looks sexier (they're bi btw), have just enough 

buttons, and could  be a good choice.  But does anyone have them?  How's 

the material selection and the fit and finish?    I'm going to 

investigate that one a bit more.



Bill "really enjoying building my own panel" Watson

speckter(at)comcast.net
Guest

Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 12:20 pm Post subject: Control Stick Grips

I do have the CH sticks and love them.  Just enough buttons and not too

many.  Good quality and you can adjust the rotation to suit your grip.

You won't be disappointed if you get them.



Gary Specketer

40274 Flying



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rv10free2fly(at)yahoo.com
Guest

Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 3:44 pm Post subject: Control Stick Grips

Bill, I have been showing the local guys here a sample of the CS-8 grip that were sent out by the supplier a while back and other builders have all been impressed.

  

 I received my two grips and relay deck this week and I'm very happy with the quality.  In comparison to the grips fitted to the Cirrus SR-20 which I am currently flying, the CS-8 grips are better in that they have a little more functionality, and they are really comfortable.

  

 Hope this helps with your selection.

  

 Regards

  

 Pat

 Adelaide, South Australia



 

   From: MauleDriver <MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com>

To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

Sent: Wednesday, 12 November, 2008 5:18:20 AM

Subject: Re: Control Stick Grips



--> RV10-List message posted by: MauleDriver <MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com (MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com)>



Thanks for all the great feedback!  I love this list and I do contribute.



The most impressive thing about the Infinity grip is that people that have put them in earlier a/c, are putting them in their '10s.  And  the jet-gamer aesthetic is cool.    'Nuff said.



I'm still thinking through the function thing and I'm still leaning towards FREQFUNC (frequently used functions) rather than  HOTAS.  Hat switch, PTT, and autopilot disco are mandatory.  Thinking through a typical IFR CC, a freq flip/flop makes sense.  I do that every 45mins or so now and dreaming of doing it every 30mins or less in the future (see RV grin here).  An ident switch?  I do that once every 2 or 3 flights.  Probably once a flight VFR.  Doesn't need to be on the stick. 

Flaps remain an open switch.  At 17 I learned that the electric flaps are on a switch next to the throttle (C150).  Since then, I've flown with a Johnson bar between the seats (Maule) , a sliding lever in my left hand (LS6), and a rotating wheel with index stops going from -8 to +90 (PIK20b). At 5X I'm regressing so  a simple switch next to the throttle should see me through dementia.  Use it once a flight on the way up and once on the way down.  And as a former glider guider, I don't do go-arounds.



While the Ray Allen stick grips  aren't impressive in pics or on display, I have to admit  that the set I saw in a '10 looked pretty good.  The CS-8 from Tosten looks sexier (they're bi btw), have just enough buttons, and could  be a good choice.  But does anyone have them?  How's the material selection and the fit and finish?    I'm going to investigate that one a bit more.



Bill "really enjoying building my own panel" Watson



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gengrumpy(at)aol.com
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Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 4:58 pm Post subject: Control Stick Grips

I've got the Infinity grips as well, and would not trade them for anything!

 

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nukeflyboy

Joined: 05 Jan 2008
Posts: 162
Location: Granbury, TX

Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 8:18 pm Post subject: Re: Control Stick Grips

I also have the infinity grips.  Another function to consider on the grip is to turn off the traffic or terrain warnings when they are unwanted and distracting.



If you get the infinities, mount them so they are clocked inboard about 15-20 degrees, not in line with the stick.  This will keep your wrist from being bent back.

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