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blorber(at)southwestcirru
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Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2009 3:13 pm Post subject: Fuming Mad!

..o'er the laaaand of the freeEEEE...

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blorber(at)southwestcirru
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Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2009 3:37 pm Post subject: Fuming Mad!

Oh, and, 14 CFR 91.11:



 "No person may assault, threaten, intimidate, or interfere with a crewmember in the performance of the crewmember's duties aboard an aircraft being operated."



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jtaddington(at)verizon.ne
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Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2009 7:48 pm Post subject: Fuming Mad!

Am I seeing a similarity to the SS.

Jim



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n395v

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 450

Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 5:35 am Post subject: Re: Fuming Mad!

It means elections have consequences.



The socialist bastards ran against George Ws "excesses in limiting our rights in the name of security" now we have Napolitano's gestapo doing to law abiding citizens what they wouldn't tolerate being done to a crackhead in downtown LA. Funny you don't see any of this in the NYT or on CNN.



After all military veterans are potential terrorists and no one (except politiicians) should be wealthy enough to own a plane.



You sorry shits that voted for the bastard got him now you get to live with (and pay for him)

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BobsV35B(at)aol.com
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Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 5:55 am Post subject: Fuming Mad!

Good Morning Milt,

  

 I totally agree with your sentiments.

  

 The problem is, how do we get this thing back to being a Republic?

  

 Happy Skies,

  

 Old Bob

  

  In a message dated 6/13/2009 8:36:55 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  Bearcat(at)bearcataviation.com writes:

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		  You    sorry shits that voted for the bastard got him now you get to live with (and    pay for him)



	


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n395v

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 450

Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 6:09 am Post subject: Re: Fuming Mad!

Short of armed insurrection we don't.



We have now crossed a threshold where more people receive from the government than pay in to it.  We also have crossed the threshold where a greater percentage of the voting population live in major metropolitan areas then rural. Their wants and needs being totally divergent.



We are approaching 300 years which historically seems to be the life of a free democracy.



Soon we will resemble Canada, then England and finally the Islamic Republic of the Netherlands where something like 30% of newborn males are named mohammed.

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bobf(at)feldtman.com
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Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 6:48 am Post subject: Fuming Mad!

there is a glimmer of hope. check out the recent elections in Europe - especially Netherlands.... The winner is a guy so "anti-muslim" that England has forbidden him to enter the country.... Likewise, elections in England have tilted right/ Switzerland... there is a limit. Question is -- how much damage can Zero do which will be hard to or impossible to reverse. 

 bobf



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 Short of armed insurrection we don't.

 

 We have now crossed a threshold where more people receive from the government than pay in to it.  We also have crossed the threshold where a greater percentage of the voting population live in major metropolitan areas then rural. Their wants and needs being totally divergent.

  

 We are approaching 300 years which historically seems to be the life of a free democracy.

 

 Soon we will resemble Canada, then England and finally the Islamic Republic of the Netherlands where something like 30% of newborn males are named mohammed.

 

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steve2(at)sover.net
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Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 7:16 am Post subject: Fuming Mad!

NIco,

  

 What a mess.

  

 Where on earth were the conservatives when these  agencies were being formed? This department was created back in '03 when  all I ever heard out of conservatives was whining about keeping us safe. That's  all that was spoken about. Creating these giant agencies, bypassing courts,  bypassing surveillance laws on citizens. All of this was done in the name of  keeping us safe and being 'tough' on terrorists. Attempts to limit these powers  and support civil liberties were seen as 'soft'.

  

 A couple months into the new guy's administration  having inheriting these things, and with the radicalization of the political  climate, we're in a box. If the new guy moves to defang border patrol and  Homeland Security he'll be slammed for making us more vulnerable.

  

 Not trying to be funny here, I just really wonder  why conservatives didn't play their classic role of limiting these powers, and  contributed instead to their massive buildup.

  

 See you didn't need to worry, with you not posting  about art films I can go back to normal.

  

 Steve

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dongirod

Joined: 11 Dec 2006
Posts: 140

Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 10:10 am Post subject: Fuming Mad!

Steve;

  

 We get lied to a lot and also the politicians have  a much longer time frame than we do, so they sneak thing through, consider the  Panama Canal with Jimmy Carter.  Past the law but was not effective until  almost twenty years later.  

  

 One thing that most don't remember as  it did not make much news was Clinton signing a 'treaty with the UN' hours  before leaving office (same time frame as all the pardons). Thank goodness  Geo W. nullified it within a few hours of being sworn in, a treaty  supersedes the Constitution.  Rumor had it Slick Willy was trying to  be appointed president of the UN.  

  

 But makes one ask, "Where do we get these self  serving idiots"?

  

 Don

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n395v

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 450

Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 10:38 am Post subject: Re: Fuming Mad!

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		  having inheriting these things 	




When George W was in office they didn't mug law abiding pilots at gunpoint.



Had that happened during the Bush Admin it is all we would have seen on the news for a month followed by impeachment proceedings.



Customs and Border patrol have existed since long before the Bush admin. Thing is obama is slug and he is letting napolitano run roughshod over mostly conservatives.



This sorry piece of crap is reading miranda rights to terrorists on the battlefield and treating them like royalty. He bows to Saudi royalty and then treats US citizens like crap.

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blorber(at)southwestcirru
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Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 10:52 am Post subject: Fuming Mad!

http://articles.latimes.com/2008/nov/21/nation/na-shootdown21



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yourtcfg(at)aol.com
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Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 2:42 pm Post subject: Fuming Mad!

Anem!!  jb

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		  Thank goodness Geo W. nullified it within a few hours of being sworn in, a treaty supersedes the Constitution. 	


 

 

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yourtcfg(at)aol.com
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Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 2:52 pm Post subject: Fuming Mad!

Opps,I meant, AMEN!!

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		   Thank goodness Geo W. nullified it within a few hours of being sworn in, a treaty supersedes the Constitution. 	


 

 

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nico(at)cybersuperstore.c
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Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2009 6:11 pm Post subject: Fuming Mad!

Hi Steve.

  

 I am not complaining about the powers, I am complaining  about the abuse of those powers. Linking this abuse to the agencies, per se,  just doesn't make sense. The media ignoring the incident is the needle in the  side and the acceleration of the anger. Your local policeman has similar powers  based upon reasonable belief of a crime, which is a totally subjective call  making it nearly impossible to challenge. You can be locked up for several hours  without any cause whatsoever and you have no recourse at all. David Perry and  his passengers were detained for only about one hour, well within the limit of  ad hoc detention. I don't gripe about that. If you read my opinion on the  matter, you will see that I avoided the part where these officers were within  their rights; rights they did not acquire by any agency that was created in '03  or any recent decade before that. Their abuse was with the manner in which they  executed their duties. Having firearms drawn on civilians without cause is abuse  of the highest order. This sets a decorum of violence first, which is something  that is totally foreign to the general aviation community and in this country as  a whole for that matter. Not even police officers approaching suspicious  vehicles during traffic stops draw their guns. They are merely prepared to act  quickly, which is reasonable. 

  

 Getting back to your local policeman. If he would arrest  you at gunpoint without any cause you would have a complaint of abuse, violating  your civil rights and unnecessarily endangering your life, which would be a  legitimate complaint and, in my (not always) humble opinion, something for which  you can sue.

  

 The mere fact that they were released after only an hour's  interrogation, is clear proof that there was no cause and no prior information  about the pilot, the passengers or the plane or they would have been detained or  at least questioned for a longer period of time. Russ Niles' pathetic paint-job  of the incident in AvWeb is a disgrace.

  

 Nico

  

 The incident:

  http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/1392-full.html#200528

  

 and Russ Niles'  blog:

  

 http://www.avweb.com/blogs/insider/GA_A_Soft_Target_For_Security_200535-1.html

  



  

  



   From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com  [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of  Steve

Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2009 8:07 AM

To:  commander-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: Fuming  Mad!

 

 NIco,

  

 What a mess.

  

 Where on earth were the conservatives when these  agencies were being formed? This department was created back in '03 when  all I ever heard out of conservatives was whining about keeping us safe. That's  all that was spoken about. Creating these giant agencies, bypassing courts,  bypassing surveillance laws on citizens. All of this was done in the name of  keeping us safe and being 'tough' on terrorists. Attempts to limit these powers  and support civil liberties were seen as 'soft'.

  

 A couple months into the new guy's administration  having inheriting these things, and with the radicalization of the political  climate, we're in a box. If the new guy moves to defang border patrol and  Homeland Security he'll be slammed for making us more vulnerable.

  

 Not trying to be funny here, I just really wonder  why conservatives didn't play their classic role of limiting these powers, and  contributed instead to their massive buildup.

  

 See you didn't need to worry, with you not posting  about art films I can go back to normal.

  

 Steve

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steve2(at)sover.net
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Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 3:55 am Post subject: Fuming Mad!

Nico,

  

 I had missed the emphasis of your point and we're  in agreement on it. No citizen should be subject to unreasonable search, seizure  or detention. Law abiding citizens should not be facing drawn weapons. It's  appalling. I think we would both agree that this was an abuse of power on the  part of duly authorized officers. We should keep in mind this sort of abuse has  happened frequently over the years, and continues to happen. The much hated  civil libertarian groups have worked to keep these in check. What is maybe  different is that this time a different group of person was affected, one of  us.

  

 I see the point you were trying to make was that  there have always been individuals with authorized powers, it is the use of  those powers. Where we may part ways is that I DO link these agencies and their  very creation to abusive powers by the nature of their existence. While I hear  the words liberty and freedom tossed around a lot, we've exchanged many of our  liberties, freedoms and rights, for a sense of safety. Shaking down Grandma at  airports, a seven foot high chain link fence that only goes around the front of  the airport..... It makes me sick to see that fence keeping the public away,  instead of the picnic bench we used to have. Domestic wire-tapping,  surveillance, banking transactions.....

  

 Nico, my last message was a good natured poke in  the side. It just seems silly on the part of some of the right to be pointing  fingers at powerful government agencies a couple months into a new  administration, when nothing was said about those tentacles stretching into our  lives at the time, and those more interested in civil liberties were mocked.  

  

 We don't have a local policeman. Up until last year  we had a fella who filled in as a part-time constable. I think he might be  full-time now.

  

 I read the AvWeb article. I'll check out Russ  Nile's blog.

  

 Steve

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nico(at)cybersuperstore.c
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Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 8:56 am Post subject: Fuming Mad!

Thank you for the update, Steve. I'll agree to disagree on  some aspects of your position. It's a hill we don't have to die on.  

 Nico

  



   From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com  [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of  s

Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 4:46 AM

To:  commander-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: Fuming  Mad!

 

 Nico,

  

 I had missed the emphasis of your point and we're  in agreement on it. No citizen should be subject to unreasonable search, seizure  or detention. Law abiding citizens should not be facing drawn weapons. It's  appalling. I think we would both agree that this was an abuse of power on the  part of duly authorized officers. We should keep in mind this sort of abuse has  happened frequently over the years, and continues to happen. The much hated  civil libertarian groups have worked to keep these in check. What is maybe  different is that this time a different group of person was affected, one of  us.

  

 I see the point you were trying to make was that  there have always been individuals with authorized powers, it is the use of  those powers. Where we may part ways is that I DO link these agencies and their  very creation to abusive powers by the nature of their existence. While I hear  the words liberty and freedom tossed around a lot, we've exchanged many of our  liberties, freedoms and rights, for a sense of safety. Shaking down Grandma at  airports, a seven foot high chain link fence that only goes around the front of  the airport..... It makes me sick to see that fence keeping the public away,  instead of the picnic bench we used to have. Domestic wire-tapping,  surveillance, banking transactions.....

  

 Nico, my last message was a good natured poke in  the side. It just seems silly on the part of some of the right to be pointing  fingers at powerful government agencies a couple months into a new  administration, when nothing was said about those tentacles stretching into our  lives at the time, and those more interested in civil liberties were mocked.  

  

 We don't have a local policeman. Up until last year  we had a fella who filled in as a part-time constable. I think he might be  full-time now.

  

 I read the AvWeb article. I'll check out Russ  Nile's blog.

  

 Steve

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