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slyck(at)frontiernet.net
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 Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 11:12 am Post subject: Full Moon |
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I want a big sign that flashes "IRON CITY BEER"-anon
On 27, Jun 2010, at 3:04 PM, Eugene Zimmerman wrote:
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beauford
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| Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 4:25 pm Post subject: Full Moon |
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...Not to beat this already thoroughly dead horse any more than necessary
(do y'all realize we
are approaching SEAFOAM territory with this string...?)...
But...
Both military and civilian aircraft were widely equipped with "passing
lights" in the 1930's and all the way up through the early
1950's. These were powerful, high-intensity red sealed- beam lights about
like landing lights... usually installed in the port wing or the nose,
designed to be turned on during bad visibility, or in high traffic areas to
prevent collisions with approaching head-on traffic. The standard
rule was to clear the oncoming traffic showing the light by turning to your
right, his left.
I can recall them installed in the landing light housings of C-46, C-47,
AT-6, BT-13, Fairchild, Waco, Beech, and many others... Was unable
to find any reference to their use in the current FAR's, but they were
certainly in wide use around airport traffic areas as a safety device
when I was a kid back in the stone age...
Unless the regs have changed, showing a red light in the forward aspect
should not be a problem...been done before.
Worth what ye paid fer it...
beauford
FF-076
Brandon, FL
[quote="Eugene Zimmerman"]Tom,
I stuck a couple of small LED lights on the top of my lift struts.
They are mounted in a small piece of lexan inserted into the top of
the strut. They are clear when off, and RED when turned on.
Gene
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Why do you want red lights facing forward? Or to put it another way, why do
you want other pilots to be confused. (I can understand doofus Elton John
screwing up, as in "I can see the red tail lights, heading for Spai
-ai-ai-ain" but - why are you doing this?
Confused Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=302637#302637
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willuribe(at)aol.com
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| Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 8:22 pm Post subject: Full Moon |
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Greetings,
Gene that is a great picture of you and the moon.
I have using LED position lights on my FireStar for about 4 years, the GA pilots wish they could install them on their airplanes. I posted this video about 3 years ago, 2 minutes into the video it shows my LED lights very well.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1089406573728651489#
Regards,
Will Uribe
FireStar II
El Paso, TX
BTW; If John Williamson was still with us he would have posted the FAA Regs for us by now.
Sec. 23.1385 - Position light system installation. and Sec. 23.1387 - Position light system dihedral angles
[quote]
...Not to beat this already thoroughly dead horse any more than necessary
do y'all realize we are approaching SEAFOAM territory with this string...?)...
But...
Both military and civilian aircraft were widely equipped with "passing
lights" in the 1930's and all the way up through the early
1950's. These were powerful, high-intensity red sealed- beam lights about
like landing lights... usually installed in the port wing or the nose,
designed to be turned on during bad visibility, or in high traffic areas to
prevent collisions with approaching head-on traffic. The standard
rule was to clear the oncoming traffic showing the light by turning to your
right, his left.
I can recall them installed in the landing light housings of C-46, C-47,
AT-6, BT-13, Fairchild, Waco, Beech, and many others... Was unable
to find any reference to their use in the current FAR's, but they were
certainly in wide use around airport traffic areas as a safety device
when I was a kid back in the stone age...
Unless the regs have changed, showing a red light in the forward aspect
should not be a problem...been done before.
Worth what ye paid fer it...
beauford
FF-076
I stuck a couple of small LED lights on the top of my lift struts.
They are mounted in a small piece of lexan inserted into the top of
the strut. They are clear when off, and RED when turned on.
Gene
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Why do you want red lights facing forward? Or to put it another way, why do
you want other pilots to be confused. (I can understand doofus Elton John
screwing up, as in "I can see the red tail lights, heading for Spai
-ai-ai-ain" but - why are you doing this?
Confused Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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Eugene Zimmerman
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| Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 4:52 am Post subject: Full Moon |
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Will,
Thank you for filling in for John Williams. and for sparing me the castigation of my >>> good Kolb friends. <<<
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And Thank you for sharing the video. I really like your LED position lights and I wonder what kind of flasher your system uses?
On Jun 28, 2010, at 12:18 AM, WillUribe(at)aol.com (WillUribe(at)aol.com) wrote:
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BTW; If John Williamson was still with us he would have posted the FAA Regs for us by now.
Sec. 23.1385 - Position light system installation. and Sec. 23.1387 - Position light system dihedral angles |
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Eugene Zimmerman
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| Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 4:52 am Post subject: Full Moon |
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Ooops, Sorry!
My BAD.
I forgot to reduce the size of the picture.
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rickofudall
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| Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 5:39 am Post subject: Full Moon |
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Will, Except for one small detail:
23.1 Applicability.
(a) This part prescribes airworthiness standards for the issue of type certificates, and changes to those certificates, for airplanes in the normal, utility, acrobatic, and commuter categories. (my underline, RG)
(b) Each person who applies under Part 21 for such a certificate or change must show compliance with the applicable requirements of this part.
While I don't deny there are lighting standards, or the need for them, this isn't where to look.
Rick Girard
On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 11:18 PM, <willuribe(at)aol.com (willuribe(at)aol.com)> wrote:
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Greetings,
Gene that is a great picture of you and the moon.
I have using LED position lights on my FireStar for about 4 years, the GA pilots wish they could install them on their airplanes. I posted this video about 3 years ago, 2 minutes into the video it shows my LED lights very well.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1089406573728651489#
Regards,
Will Uribe
FireStar II
El Paso, TX
BTW; If John Williamson was still with us he would have posted the FAA Regs for us by now.
Sec. 23.1385 - Position light system installation. and Sec. 23.1387 - Position light system dihedral angles
[quote]
...Not to beat this already thoroughly dead horse any more than necessary
do y'all realize we are approaching SEAFOAM territory with this string..?)...
But...
Both military and civilian aircraft were widely equipped with "passing
lights" in the 1930's and all the way up through the early
1950's. These were powerful, high-intensity red sealed- beam lights about
like landing lights... usually installed in the port wing or the nose,
designed to be turned on during bad visibility, or in high traffic areas to
prevent collisions with approaching head-on traffic. The standard
rule was to clear the oncoming traffic showing the light by turning to your
right, his left.
I can recall them installed in the landing light housings of C-46, C-47,
AT-6, BT-13, Fairchild, Waco, Beech, and many others... Was unable
to find any reference to their use in the current FAR's, but they were
certainly in wide use around airport traffic areas as a safety device
when I was a kid back in the stone age...
Unless the regs have changed, showing a red light in the forward aspect
should not be a problem...been done before.
Worth what ye paid fer it...
beauford
FF-076
I stuck a couple of small LED lights on the top of my lift struts.
They are mounted in a small piece of lexan inserted into the top of
the strut. They are clear when off, and RED when turned on.
Gene
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Why do you want red lights facing forward? Or to put it another way, why do
you want other pilots to be confused. (I can understand doofus Elton John
screwing up, as in "I can see the red tail lights, heading for Spai
-ai-ai-ain" but - why are you doing this?
Confused Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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| Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 6:36 am Post subject: Full Moon |
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I'm sure glad this doesn't apply to our Kolbs
Thanks
Rick
| Quote: | Will, Except for one small detail:
23.1 Applicability. (a) This part prescribes airworthiness standards for the issue of type certificates, and changes to those certificates, for airplanes in the normal, utility, acrobatic, and commuter categories. (my underline, RG)
(b) Each person who applies under Part 21 for such a certificate or change must show compliance with the applicable requirements of this part.
While I don't deny there are lighting standards, or the need for them, this isn't where to look.
Rick Girard
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rickofudall
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| Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 7:23 am Post subject: Full Moon |
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I should have added, unless it's incorporated into the operating limitations of the aircraft. That's always the kicker.
Rick Girard
On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 9:16 AM, <fs2kolb(at)aol.com (fs2kolb(at)aol.com)> wrote:
[quote]I'm sure glad this doesn't apply to our Kolbs
Thanks
Rick
| Quote: | Will, Except for one small detail:
23.1 Applicability. (a) This part prescribes airworthiness standards for the issue of type certificates, and changes to those certificates, for airplanes in the normal, utility, acrobatic, and commuter categories. (my underline, RG)
(b) Each person who applies under Part 21 for such a certificate or change must show compliance with the applicable requirements of this part.
While I don't deny there are lighting standards, or the need for them, this isn't where to look.
Rick Girard
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| Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 8:41 am Post subject: Full Moon |
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Greetings,
My LED lights and strobes are from Kolb owner Dick Kuntzleman
http://www.kestrobes.com/cat3.htm
He offers LED landing lights with the Wig-Wag alternating flasher
http://www.kestrobes.com/beacon.htm#LL1
We installed them because Dave had to fly missions for DOD at night. At times intercepted by the Coast Guard helicopter so we wanted to make sure they saw us.
[img]cid:tie_8CCE4F7528292D4_1ADC_1B9C[/img]
This year we didn't have to fly at night but I had some of the worst turbulence ever on a 2 hour mission at 500' AGL. The return point is between 3 mountains, it gets tricky trying to stay up right while turning and the wind blowing from all directions. Sometimes they ask for another run at the bulls eye but my 10 gal fuel load doesn't allow it. One mission they flew 3 aircraft converged on the bulls eye. I was low flying below the mountain tops, the CAP was flying high but the lady helicopter pilot had to come in over mountain tops. I was being tossed around but it must have been like hell for her.
http://maps.google.com/maps?client=firefox-a&hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=32.39982,-106.138659&spn=0.035872,0.079222&t=h&z=14
Regards,
Will Uribe
FireStar II
El Paso, TX
PS, We all miss John W who always had a big smile.
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John Hauck
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| Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 9:40 am Post subject: Full Moon |
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Amen, Brother!
john h
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PS, We all miss John W who always had a big smile.
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