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tonyrenshaw268(at)gmail.c
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Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2011 2:44 am Post subject: Flap up method for single handed rigging

Gidday,

I am about to set up my wings to the fuselage for the first time and see a problem for single handed rigging. I am wondering if there is a design of a portable, light system of a strap setup or similar that clips onto the leading edge of the wing, and then goes up over a block setup that sits just above the flap closeout on the top of the wing, and then clips onto the trailing edge of the flap, consequently allowing the flap to "not fall forward on its hinges when the wing is rotated to the horizontal. I have a mod in my wingtips from Chuck Popenoe where I can rotisserie the wings and move them around single handed, with the tip supported by an inverted T section on castors. Once the wing is located it would be nice to be able to push it home from the wingtip, but the flap will need supporting. Any suggestions on how this can be done would be much appreciated.

Reg

Tony Renshaw

Sydney Aussie.

grahamsingleton(at)btinte
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Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2011 3:14 am Post subject: Flap up method for single handed rigging

Tony

I always rig with the flaps down, the flap will then engage with the operating pin but you need a tapered guide in the flap root

to locate for the final entering of the pin.

Graham



From: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw268(at)gmail.com>

To: europa-list(at)matronics.com

Sent: Sunday, 20 November, 2011 10:40:27

Subject: Flap up method for single handed rigging



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Gidday,

I am about to set up my wings to the fuselage for the first time and see a problem for single handed rigging. I am wondering if there is a design of a portable, light system of a strap setup or similar that clips onto the leading edge of the wing, and then goes up over a block setup that sits just above the flap closeout on the top of the wing, and then clips onto the trailing edge of the flap, consequently allowing the flap to "not fall forward on its hinges when the wing is rotated to the horizontal. I have a mod in my wingtips from Chuck Popenoe where I can rotisserie the wings and move them around single handed, with the tip supported by an inverted T section on castors. Once the wing is located it would be nice to be able to push it home from the wingtip, but the flap  will need supporting. Any suggestions on how this can be done would be mucnbsp;    * AeroElectric [url=http://www.aeroelThe Builder\'s Bookstore 

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ptag.dev(at)tiscali.co.uk
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Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2011 3:21 am Post subject: Flap up method for single handed rigging

Hi! Tony

I achieved this by including a tapered guide tube within the flap close out

extension. The flap is allowed to fall into fully down position  and the

flap drive tube is also fully down .This tube receives the flap drive tube

and guides it to be exactly in line with the flap drive pin so that it

engages when you push the wing home into the spar socket.  This can be

applied to both flap close outs. For each wing.

I also have welded metal RAMP extensions to the spar starboard socket which

guide the port spar home into place as you push the port wing into place,

this ensures the port spa is guided into the socket on the other side of the

aircraft for single person rigging.

I did publish photos of both of these items many eons ago . You may be able

to search and still find them somewhere in the Europa Cyberspace.

Regards

Bob Harrison G-PTAG



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grahamsingleton(at)btinte
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Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2011 6:38 am Post subject: Flap up method for single handed rigging

Good description Bob!

Graham, cryptic mode!

From: Bob Harrison <ptag.dev(at)tiscali.co.uk>

To: europa-list(at)matronics.com

Sent: Sunday, 20 November, 2011 11:18:21

Subject: RE: Flap up method for single handed rigging

--> Europa-List message posted by: "Bob Harrison" <ptag.dev(at)tiscali.co.uk (ptag.dev(at)tiscali.co.uk)>

Hi! Tony

I achieved this by including a tapered guide tube within the flap close out

extension. The flap is allowed to fall into fully down position  and the

flap drive tube is also fully down .This tube receives the flap drive tube

and guides it to be exactly in line with the flap drive pin so that it

engages when you push the wing home into the spar socket.  This can be

applied to both flap close outs. For each wing.

I also have welded metal RAMP extensions to the spar starboard socket which

guide the port spar home into place as you push the port wing into place,

this ensures the port spa is guided into the socket on the other side of the

aircraft for single person rigging.

I did publish photos of both of these items many eons ago . You may be able

to search and still find them somewhere in the Europa Cyberspace.

Regards

Bob  Harrison G-PTAG

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fklein(at)orcasonline.com
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Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2011 8:11 am Post subject: Flap up method for single handed rigging

On Nov 20, 2011, at 2:40 AM, Tony Renshaw wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   Once the wing is located it would be nice to be able to push it home  

 from the wingtip, but the flap will need supporting.


	


Tony,



With your fixed conventional LG, I assume that you'll be using  

electric flaps...if that's the case, you have some options on the  

positioning of the flap tube control during your wing attachment  

process. If flap control shows flaps retracted, a strap around the  

wing holding the flaps in the retracted position could be handy.



I make this comment solely from noting that while moving my wings  

around the shop with the flaps flapping around can be  

irritating...alas, I have zero experience attaching the wings at a  

proper airfield.



Fred

tonyrenshaw268(at)gmail.c
Guest

Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2011 12:09 pm Post subject: Flap up method for single handed rigging

Thanks Fred,Bob Graham and co re flap rigging. I will have electric flaps and could therefore rig with the flaps at any position. At the moment they will fall right out of the close out and rotate such that the trailing edge of the flap can be against the wing, because I don't have the outrigger hardware to create an extended stop. I either need to come up with an extended stop for my flaps, or rig the wing with the flaps up. Has any of the electric flap Tri-gear guys managed this other ways, or have any suggestions?

Reg

Tony Renshaw 



Sent from my iPad



On 21/11/2011, at 3:08 AM, Fred Klein <fklein(at)orcasonline.com> wrote:



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 On Nov 20, 2011, at 2:40 AM, Tony Renshaw wrote:

 

> Once the wing is located it would be nice to be able to push it home from the wingtip, but the flap will need supporting.

 

 Tony,

 

 With your fixed conventional LG, I assume that you'll be using electric flaps...if that's the case, you have some options on the positioning of the flap tube control during your wing attachment process. If flap control shows flaps retracted, a strap around the wing holding the flaps in the retracted position could be handy.

 

 I make this comment solely from noting that while moving my wings around the shop with the flaps flapping around can be irritating...alas, I have zero experience attaching the wings at a proper airfield.

 

 Fred

steven.pitt2(at)ntlworld.
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Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2011 12:47 pm Post subject: Flap up method for single handed rigging

Tony,

I have tried single handed rigging with my trigear and the flaps are only 

one of the issues. However, I have used a short set of bungies hooked to the 

back pip pin and flap holes to hold the flap in position (a plagiarised 

idea) and although it needs care the bungie provides a bit of flexibility 

when pushing the wing home. A simple solution and it also helps to ensure 

the flap does not drop when turning from the vertical to the horizontal.

Hope this helps.

Steve Pitt

G-SMDH

Trigear XS



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rlborger(at)mac.com
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Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2011 12:56 pm Post subject: Flap up method for single handed rigging

Tony,



Go download Chapter 9T Fitting ailerons & flaps to wing - Trigear.  On page 9T-6, 9T-9, 9T-11 & 9T-17 they show part TGW-1 which serves to limit the extension of the Flap.  You could make up a similar piece from 1/8" aluminum and attach it to the outer flap support bracket as illustrated.  Adjust the slot to allow full retraction and full extension and you are in business.  You have a retaining mechanism for flap extension.  



Blue skies & tailwinds,

Bob Borger

Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop.

Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP

3705 Lynchburg Dr.

Corinth, TX  76208-5331

Cel: 817-992-1117

rlborger(at)mac.com



On Nov 20, 2011, at 2:04 PM, Tony Renshaw wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   

 

 Thanks Fred,Bob Graham and co re flap rigging. I will have electric flaps and could therefore rig with the flaps at any position. At the moment they will fall right out of the close out and rotate such that the trailing edge of the flap can be against the wing, because I don't have the outrigger hardware to create an extended stop. I either need to come up with an extended stop for my flaps, or rig the wing with the flaps up. Has any of the electric flap Tri-gear guys managed this other ways, or have any suggestions?

 Reg

 Tony Renshaw

ptag.dev(at)tiscali.co.uk
Guest

Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 2:53 pm Post subject: Flap up method for single handed rigging

Hi!  Tony.

You have me completely baffled . My a/c is a trike and has the 

electric drive flaps.

However it also has a slotted link in the outboard hinge 

mechanism on each wing  which prevents the flap from falling past fully 

extended position. 



I can not for the life of me understand why you would need to leave 

this hard ware out. when it serves the purpose  which you are trying to 

solve?



Regards



Bob H G-PTAG  



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AirEupora

Joined: 01 Nov 2009
Posts: 186
Location: Dixon, CA

Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 5:04 pm Post subject: Re: Flap up method for single handed rigging

I built a telescoping square brace tubing that attaches to the tie down bolt hole.  I have an over center brace that I can take the wings off my dolly and place the spar into the hole in the fuselage.  I then lift the wing and straighten it out from the wing tip then slide it into the fuselage.  I only have one picture, take in the rain, but can sent the measurements and some pictures.  The square tubing is welded to a square legs that have 360 degrees rolls installed.  The telescoping inner tube is secured with a Vise Grip pliers on each wing.  I have then marked with magic marker and once I have the wings in I telescope the tube to the correct height to install the pins.  I have the flap in the down position and work the wing into the fuselage to just before engaging the flaps.  



I hope this makes sense.  I have put the wings on using this method for the last year by myself.



If you want the pictures e-mail off line  aireupora(at)sbcglobal.net

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christoph.both(at)acadiau
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Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 5:14 am Post subject: Flap up method for single handed rigging

Hi,

I use a piece of duct tape holding the flaps temporarily in place (all up) while rigging single-handedly having set the electric flap position (TRI) to full "up". The flap pin meets the bushing proper. Once rigged I tear the duct tape off, for next time.

Christoph Both

#223, Wolfville, Nova Scotia

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