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 Posted: Tue Jul 09, 2013 3:59 am Post subject: Performance Yak 52 |
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[quote]Hi,
Just bought an 52. Previous Owner has allready lightning it pretty mutch. Now has empty weigh on 915kg. Intension is to make it more light around 880 kg. Engine will be upgraded to 400+HP. The Aircraft has to be prepaired for short take off and landing fields.
Any suggestions on best proppel to use? cruisespeed not importent, climb rate most importent.
Also would like to now if any has experience on wortex kit on Yak 52, benefits on stall speed etc..?
The rebuild will be possible to follow onwww.yaknorway.com when we start.
Best regards
Havard Dale
Norway
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havard.dale(at)yaknorway.
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| Posted: Tue Jul 09, 2013 4:07 am Post subject: Performance Yak 52 |
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Hi,
Just bought an 52. Previous Owner has allready lightning it pretty mutch. Now has empty weigh on 915kg. Intension is to make it more light around 880 kg. Engine will be upgraded to 400+HP. The Aircraft has to be prepaired for short take off and landing fields.
Any suggestions on best proppel to use? cruisespeed not importent, climb rate most importent.
Also would like to now if any has experience on wortex kit on Yak 52, benefits on stall speed etc..?
The rebuild will be possible to follow onwww.yaknorway.com when we start.
Best regards
Havard Dale
Norway
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| Posted: Tue Jul 09, 2013 4:19 am Post subject: Performance Yak 52 |
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Just saw a Yak 52TW out in Cody, Wy. with a vortex kit on it. Owner said it made a "good deal of difference". The Clark Y airfoil is the same on all the Yaks, so you shouldn't have a problem figuring the proper placement.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
In a message dated 7/9/2013 8:07:19 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, havard.dale(at)yaknorway.com writes:
| Quote: | Hi,
Just bought an 52. Previous Owner has allready lightning it pretty mutch. Now has empty weigh on 915kg. Intension is to make it more light around 880 kg. Engine will be upgraded to 400+HP. The Aircraft has to be prepaired for short take off and landing fields.
Any suggestions on best proppel to use? cruisespeed not importent, climb rate most importent.
Also would like to now if any has experience on wortex kit on Yak 52, benefits on stall speed etc..?
The rebuild will be possible to follow onwww.yaknorway.com when we start.
Best regards
Havard Dale
Norway
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havard.dale(at)yaknorway.
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| Posted: Tue Jul 09, 2013 4:41 am Post subject: Performance Yak 52 |
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Hi thanks,
Did he specify The benefits on stall speed?
BR
Havard
Sendt fra min iPhone 4S
Den 9. juli 2013 kl. 14:16 skrev cjpilot710(at)aol.com (cjpilot710(at)aol.com):
[quote] Just saw a Yak 52TW out in Cody, Wy. with a vortex kit on it. Owner said it made a "good deal of difference". The Clark Y airfoil is the same on all the Yaks, so you shouldn't have a problem figuring the proper placement.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
In a message dated 7/9/2013 8:07:19 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, havard.dale(at)yaknorway.com (havard.dale(at)yaknorway.com) writes:
| Quote: | Hi,
Just bought an 52. Previous Owner has allready lightning it pretty mutch. Now has empty weigh on 915kg. Intension is to make it more light around 880 kg. Engine will be upgraded to 400+HP. The Aircraft has to be prepaired for short take off and landing fields.
Any suggestions on best proppel to use? cruisespeed not importent, climb rate most importent.
Also would like to now if any has experience on wortex kit on Yak 52, benefits on stall speed etc..?
The rebuild will be possible to follow onwww.yaknorway.com when we start.
Best regards
Havard Dale
Norway
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cjpilot710(at)aol.com
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| Posted: Tue Jul 09, 2013 4:57 am Post subject: Performance Yak 52 |
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No, no details. Vortex generators have been around a long time and their benefits are well know. And except for making the wing harder to clean or polish and snagging your cloths on, do have a marked effect on stall and control effeteness at or near stall angles of attack.
I'd put them on my CJ-6 (I believe some guys have) but I simply don't need them. I just don't fly that part of the envelope often enough, plus I like the "quaintness" of a vintage warbird. Just me.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
In a message dated 7/9/2013 8:41:43 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, havard.dale(at)yaknorway.com writes:
| Quote: | Hi thanks,
Did he specify The benefits on stall speed?
BR
Havard
Sendt fra min iPhone 4S
Den 9. juli 2013 kl. 14:16 skrev cjpilot710(at)aol.com (cjpilot710(at)aol.com):
| Quote: | Just saw a Yak 52TW out in Cody, Wy. with a vortex kit on it. Owner said it made a "good deal of difference". The Clark Y airfoil is the same on all the Yaks, so you shouldn't have a problem figuring the proper placement.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
In a message dated 7/9/2013 8:07:19 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, havard.dale(at)yaknorway.com (havard.dale(at)yaknorway.com) writes:
| Quote: | Hi,
Just bought an 52. Previous Owner has allready lightning it pretty mutch. Now has empty weigh on 915kg. Intension is to make it more light around 880 kg. Engine will be upgraded to 400+HP. The Aircraft has to be prepaired for short take off and landing fields.
Any suggestions on best proppel to use? cruisespeed not importent, climb rate most importent.
Also would like to now if any has experience on wortex kit on Yak 52, benefits on stall speed etc..?
The rebuild will be possible to follow onwww.yaknorway.com when we start.
Best regards
Havard Dale
Norway
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havard.dale(at)yaknorway.
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| Posted: Tue Jul 09, 2013 5:23 am Post subject: Performance Yak 52 |
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Yes like that myself to!
But when The field I gone use here in Norway is shorter than shortest! improvments has to be done:-)
BR
Havard
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Den 9. juli 2013 kl. 14:54 skrev cjpilot710(at)aol.com (cjpilot710(at)aol.com):
[quote] No, no details. Vortex generators have been around a long time and their benefits are well know. And except for making the wing harder to clean or polish and snagging your cloths on, do have a marked effect on stall and control effeteness at or near stall angles of attack.
I'd put them on my CJ-6 (I believe some guys have) but I simply don't need them. I just don't fly that part of the envelope often enough, plus I like the "quaintness" of a vintage warbird. Just me.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
In a message dated 7/9/2013 8:41:43 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, havard.dale(at)yaknorway.com (havard.dale(at)yaknorway.com) writes:
| Quote: | Hi thanks,
Did he specify The benefits on stall speed?
BR
Havard
Sendt fra min iPhone 4S
Den 9. juli 2013 kl. 14:16 skrev cjpilot710(at)aol.com (cjpilot710(at)aol.com):
| Quote: | Just saw a Yak 52TW out in Cody, Wy. with a vortex kit on it. Owner said it made a "good deal of difference". The Clark Y airfoil is the same on all the Yaks, so you shouldn't have a problem figuring the proper placement.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
In a message dated 7/9/2013 8:07:19 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, havard.dale(at)yaknorway.com (havard.dale(at)yaknorway.com) writes:
| Quote: | Hi,
Just bought an 52. Previous Owner has allready lightning it pretty mutch. Now has empty weigh on 915kg. Intension is to make it more light around 880 kg. Engine will be upgraded to 400+HP. The Aircraft has to be prepaired for short take off and landing fields.
Any suggestions on best proppel to use? cruisespeed not importent, climb rate most importent.
Also would like to now if any has experience on wortex kit on Yak 52, benefits on stall speed etc..?
The rebuild will be possible to follow onwww.yaknorway.com when we start.
Best regards
Havard Dale
Norway
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William Halverson
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| Posted: Tue Jul 09, 2013 6:08 am Post subject: Performance Yak 52 |
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| Quote: | Lengthen the field?
On 7/9/2013 6:18 AM, HÃ¥vard Dale wrote:
> Yes like that myself to!
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> But when The field I gone use here in Norway is shorter than
> shortest! improvments has to be done:-)
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> BR
> Havard
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> Sendt fra min iPhone 4S
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> Den 9. juli 2013 kl. 14:54 skrev cjpilot710(at)aol.com
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>> No, no details. Vortex generators have been around a long time and
>> their benefits are well know. And except for making the wing harder
>> to clean or polish and snagging your cloths on, do have a marked
>> effect on stall and control effeteness at or near stall angles of
>> attack.
>>
>> I'd put them on my CJ-6 (I believe some guys have) but I simply
>> don't need them. I just don't fly that part of the envelope often
>> enough, plus I like the "quaintness" of a vintage warbird. Just me.
>>
>> Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
>>
>> In a message dated 7/9/2013 8:41:43 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>> havard.dale(at)yaknorway.com <mailto:havard.dale(at)yaknorway.com> writes:
>>
>> Hi thanks,
>>
>> Did he specify The benefits on stall speed?
>>
>> BR
>>
>> Havard
>>
>> Sendt fra min iPhone 4S
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>> Den 9. juli 2013 kl. 14:16 skrev cjpilot710(at)aol.com
>> <mailto:cjpilot710(at)aol.com>:
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>>> Just saw a Yak 52TW out in Cody, Wy. with a vortex kit on it.
>>> Owner said it made a "good deal of difference". The Clark Y
>>> airfoil is the same on all the Yaks, so you shouldn't have a
>>> problem figuring the proper placement.
>>>
>>> Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
>>>
>>> In a message dated 7/9/2013 8:07:19 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>>> havard.dale(at)yaknorway.com <mailto:havard.dale(at)yaknorway.com>
>>> writes:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Just bought an 52. Previous Owner has allready lightning it
>>> pretty mutch. Now has empty weigh on 915kg. Intension is to
>>> make it more light around 880 kg. Engine will be upgraded
>>> to 400+HP. The Aircraft has to be prepaired for short take
>>> off and landing fields.
>>>
>>> Any suggestions on best proppel to use? cruisespeed not
>>> importent, climb rate most importent.
>>>
>>> Also would like to now if any has experience on wortex kit
>>> on Yak 52, benefits on stall speed etc..?
>>>
>>> The rebuild will be possible to follow onwww.yaknorway.com
>>> <http://www.yaknorway.com/> when we start.
>>>
>>> Best regards
>>>
>>> Havard Dale
>>> Norway
>>>
>>> *
>>>
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| Posted: Tue Jul 09, 2013 6:18 am Post subject: Performance Yak 52 |
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Havard,
I have a Whirlwind 3 blade propeller,it increased climb and cruise .Also it provides some braking when landing.
Pete Taylor
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Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 4:55 AM
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Hi,
Just bought an 52. Previous Owner has allready lightning it pretty mutch. Now has empty weigh on 915kg. Intension is to make it more light around 880 kg. Engine will be upgraded to 400+HP. The Aircraft has to be prepaired for short take off and landing fields.
Any suggestions on best proppel to use? cruisespeed not importent, climb rate most importent.
Also would like to now if any has experience on wortex kit on Yak 52, benefits on stall speed etc..?
The rebuild will be possible to follow onwww.yaknorway.com when we start.
Best regards
Havard Dale
Norway
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| Posted: Tue Jul 09, 2013 6:25 am Post subject: Performance Yak 52 |
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In that case I would recommend them. They should not change the ability to do any of the acrobatic maneuvers but they will improve the feel and control at low speed. They don't appear to effect the high speed part of flight. On the early jets (i.e. B-707) they actually were used just in front of the 'high speed' or inboard ailerons to increase their effectiveness in the speeds near Mach where the air flow separation was happening at the rear of the cord. And that is what they do even on the likes of Cubs where the owners are looking for super lift. A "VG" delays the flow separation on just about any wing. It is important that they be put in the right place for the airfoil being used. The nice thing is that most can be glued on - nice for easy installation and again nice because of the importance of accuracy of placement
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| Posted: Tue Jul 09, 2013 6:30 am Post subject: Performance Yak 52 |
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I agree with Pete. While the 530 is an "OK" basic prop, the later design Whirlwind is much better.
Sent from my iPad from some where on The 3rd rock from the Sun.
On Jul 9, 2013, at 10:14, "Pete Taylor" <taylor527(at)att.net (taylor527(at)att.net)> wrote:
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Havard,
I have a Whirlwind 3 blade propeller,it increased climb and cruise .Also it provides some braking when landing.
Pete Taylor
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Hi,
Just bought an 52. Previous Owner has allready lightning it pretty mutch. Now has empty weigh on 915kg. Intension is to make it more light around 880 kg. Engine will be upgraded to 400+HP. The Aircraft has to be prepaired for short take off and landing fields.
Any suggestions on best proppel to use? cruisespeed not importent, climb rate most importent.
Also would like to now if any has experience on wortex kit on Yak 52, benefits on stall speed etc..?
The rebuild will be possible to follow onwww.yaknorway.com when we start.
Best regards
Havard Dale
Norway
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| Posted: Tue Jul 09, 2013 6:30 am Post subject: Performance Yak 52 |
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It's 210m, 690 feet! So it's short!
Downhill slope both ends so in and out is good.
Havard
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Den 9. juli 2013 kl. 15:55 skrev William Halverson <william(at)netpros.net>:
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> Lengthen the field?
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> On 7/9/2013 6:18 AM, HÃ¥vard Dale wrote:
>> Yes like that myself to!
>>
>> But when The field I gone use here in Norway is shorter than
>> shortest! improvments has to be done:-)
>>
>> BR
>> Havard
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>> Sendt fra min iPhone 4S
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>>> No, no details. Vortex generators have been around a long time and
>>> their benefits are well know. And except for making the wing harder
>>> to clean or polish and snagging your cloths on, do have a marked
>>> effect on stall and control effeteness at or near stall angles of
>>> attack.
>>>
>>> I'd put them on my CJ-6 (I believe some guys have) but I simply
>>> don't need them. I just don't fly that part of the envelope often
>>> enough, plus I like the "quaintness" of a vintage warbird. Just me.
>>>
>>> Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
>>>
>>> In a message dated 7/9/2013 8:41:43 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>>> havard.dale(at)yaknorway.com <mailto:havard.dale(at)yaknorway.com> writes:
>>>
>>> Hi thanks,
>>>
>>> Did he specify The benefits on stall speed?
>>>
>>> BR
>>>
>>> Havard
>>>
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>>> Den 9. juli 2013 kl. 14:16 skrev cjpilot710(at)aol.com
>>> <mailto:cjpilot710(at)aol.com>:
>>>
>>>> Just saw a Yak 52TW out in Cody, Wy. with a vortex kit on it.
>>>> Owner said it made a "good deal of difference". The Clark Y
>>>> airfoil is the same on all the Yaks, so you shouldn't have a
>>>> problem figuring the proper placement.
>>>>
>>>> Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
>>>>
>>>> In a message dated 7/9/2013 8:07:19 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>>>> havard.dale(at)yaknorway.com <mailto:havard.dale(at)yaknorway.com>
>>>> writes:
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> Just bought an 52. Previous Owner has allready lightning it
>>>> pretty mutch. Now has empty weigh on 915kg. Intension is to
>>>> make it more light around 880 kg. Engine will be upgraded
>>>> to 400+HP. The Aircraft has to be prepaired for short take
>>>> off and landing fields.
>>>>
>>>> Any suggestions on best proppel to use? cruisespeed not
>>>> importent, climb rate most importent.
>>>>
>>>> Also would like to now if any has experience on wortex kit
>>>> on Yak 52, benefits on stall speed etc..?
>>>>
>>>> The rebuild will be possible to follow onwww.yaknorway.com
>>>> <http://www.yaknorway.com/> when we start.
>>>>
>>>> Best regards
>>>>
>>>> Havard Dale
>>>> Norway
>>>>
>>>> *
>>>>
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Rub it in:-) long hot summer days, not mutch of that:-)
Thanks for info,
The field is 600feet ASL, and more cold then warm days I can tell:-) So that is ok. Some benefits we have here!
Any suggestions were to buy a VG kit?
BR
Havard
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Den 9. juli 2013 kl. 16:21 skrev James Goolsby <cjpilot710(at)aol.com (cjpilot710(at)aol.com)>:
[quote]In that case I would recommend them. They should not change the ability to do any of the acrobatic maneuvers but they will improve the feel and control at low speed. They don't appear to effect the high speed part of flight. On the early jets (i.e. B-707) they actually were used just in front of the 'high speed' or inboard ailerons to increase their effectiveness in the speeds near Mach where the air flow separation was happening at the rear of the cord. And that is what they do even on the likes of Cubs where the owners are looking for super lift. A "VG" delays the flow separation on just about any wing. It is important that they be put in the right place for the airfoil being used. The nice thing is that most can be glued on - nice for easy installation and again nice because of the importance of accuracy of placement.
I've seen them on just about every airplane, including Bonanzas which has the same airfoil as the CJ-6. BTW the Yak driver out in Cody said he put them on because of the high density altitudes he had to operate at. That is something you might need to also consider on those long hot summer days in Norway. 
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
Sent from my iPad from some where on The 3rd rock from the Sun.
On Jul 9, 2013, at 9:18, HÃ¥vard Dale <havard.dale(at)yaknorway.com (havard.dale(at)yaknorway.com)> wrote:
| Quote: | Yes like that myself to!
But when The field I gone use here in Norway is shorter than shortest! improvments has to be done:-)
BR
Havard
Sendt fra min iPhone 4S
Den 9. juli 2013 kl. 14:54 skrev cjpilot710(at)aol.com (cjpilot710(at)aol.com):
| Quote: | No, no details. Vortex generators have been around a long time and their benefits are well know. And except for making the wing harder to clean or polish and snagging your cloths on, do have a marked effect on stall and control effeteness at or near stall angles of attack.
I'd put them on my CJ-6 (I believe some guys have) but I simply don't need them. I just don't fly that part of the envelope often enough, plus I like the "quaintness" of a vintage warbird. Just me.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
In a message dated 7/9/2013 8:41:43 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, havard.dale(at)yaknorway.com (havard.dale(at)yaknorway.com) writes:
| Quote: | Hi thanks,
Did he specify The benefits on stall speed?
BR
Havard
Sendt fra min iPhone 4S
Den 9. juli 2013 kl. 14:16 skrev cjpilot710(at)aol.com (cjpilot710(at)aol.com):
| Quote: | Just saw a Yak 52TW out in Cody, Wy. with a vortex kit on it. Owner said it made a "good deal of difference". The Clark Y airfoil is the same on all the Yaks, so you shouldn't have a problem figuring the proper placement.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
In a message dated 7/9/2013 8:07:19 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, havard.dale(at)yaknorway.com (havard.dale(at)yaknorway.com) writes:
| Quote: | Hi,
Just bought an 52. Previous Owner has allready lightning it pretty mutch. Now has empty weigh on 915kg. Intension is to make it more light around 880 kg. Engine will be upgraded to 400+HP. The Aircraft has to be prepaired for short take off and landing fields.
Any suggestions on best proppel to use? cruisespeed not importent, climb rate most importent.
Also would like to now if any has experience on wortex kit on Yak 52, benefits on stall speed etc..?
The rebuild will be possible to follow onwww.yaknorway.com when we start.
Best regards
Havard Dale
Norway
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Thanks,
Do you have numbers for the thrust ratio on whirlwind prop?
BR
Havard
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Den 9. juli 2013 kl. 16:14 skrev "Pete Taylor" <taylor527(at)att.net (taylor527(at)att.net)>:
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Havard,
I have a Whirlwind 3 blade propeller,it increased climb and cruise .Also it provides some braking when landing.
Pete Taylor
From: owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of HÃ¥vard Dale
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Hi,
Just bought an 52. Previous Owner has allready lightning it pretty mutch. Now has empty weigh on 915kg. Intension is to make it more light around 880 kg. Engine will be upgraded to 400+HP. The Aircraft has to be prepaired for short take off and landing fields.
Any suggestions on best proppel to use? cruisespeed not importent, climb rate most importent.
Also would like to now if any has experience on wortex kit on Yak 52, benefits on stall speed etc..?
The rebuild will be possible to follow onwww.yaknorway.com when we start.
Best regards
Havard Dale
Norway
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The people at whirlwind could probably provide that info
Pete
From: owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Håvard Dale
Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 7:44 AM
To: yak-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Performance Yak 52
Thanks,
Do you have numbers for the thrust ratio on whirlwind prop?
BR
Havard
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Den 9. juli 2013 kl. 16:14 skrev "Pete Taylor" <taylor527(at)att.net (taylor527(at)att.net)>:
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Havard,
I have a Whirlwind 3 blade propeller,it increased climb and cruise .Also it provides some braking when landing.
Pete Taylor
From: owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Håvard Dale
Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 4:55 AM
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Hi,
Just bought an 52. Previous Owner has allready lightning it pretty mutch. Now has empty weigh on 915kg. Intension is to make it more light around 880 kg. Engine will be upgraded to 400+HP. The Aircraft has to be prepaired for short take off and landing fields.
Any suggestions on best proppel to use? cruisespeed not importent, climb rate most importent.
Also would like to now if any has experience on wortex kit on Yak 52, benefits on stall speed etc..?
The rebuild will be possible to follow onwww.yaknorway.com when we start.
Best regards
Havard Dale
Norway
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I would be interested in following along on your rebuild after you start flying it off a 690' strip.
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You might check with Kregg Victory. He made a very light 52. As I recall he
removed all original wiring, electrical equipment and instruments and
installed Dynon stuff in the front and only an airspeed, altimeter and T&B
in the rear. Light weight alternator etc. You have to watch the CG carefully
when you make these kinds of modificatios.
George Coy
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Well, maybe its not possible! But Take off, no problem! Landing may be a problem! Offcourse this will be tested on other airfield before on my own field.
Not so stupid that I am testing it out on this field!!
How long do you mean its requiered then? 800? 1000? 2000??
Nothing is imposible! Just The mather of finding correct Solutions:-)
Havard
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Thanks George,
Do you contact adress for Kregg?
Email me on havard.dale(at)yaknorway.com
BR
Havard
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Den 9. juli 2013 kl. 21:24 skrev "George Coy" <george.coy(at)gmail.com>:
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You might check with Kregg Victory. He made a very light 52. As I recall he
removed all original wiring, electrical equipment and instruments and
installed Dynon stuff in the front and only an airspeed, altimeter and T&B
in the rear. Light weight alternator etc. You have to watch the CG carefully
when you make these kinds of modificatios.
George Coy
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I have a couple of lightly used tailhooks for an A-4 and an EA-6B that
should solve your landing distance issue! Just here to help..... : )
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Hi Havard I operate a Yak 52 off 2400' grass at 1,100 elevation my Yak which is very stock uses halve the runway for takeoff (about700') that is required to land in (about 1500') so the weight loss and HP increase is going to be fun - fun - fun but your landing's are what's going to determine where you operate. My personal airport limit is 2,000'
Bill Wade N4450Y
From: Håvard Dale <havard.dale(at)yaknorway.com>
To: "yak-list(at)matronics.com" <yak-list(at)matronics.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 9, 2013 9:18 AM
Subject: Re: Performance Yak 52
Yes like that myself to!
But when The field I gone use here in Norway is shorter than shortest! improvments has to be done:-)
BR
Havard
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Den 9. juli 2013 kl. 14:54 skrev cjpilot710(at)aol.com (cjpilot710(at)aol.com):
| Quote: | No, no details. Vortex generators have been around a long time and their benefits are well know. And except for making the wing harder to clean or polish and snagging your cloths on, do have a marked effect on stall and control effeteness at or near stall angles of attack.
I'd put them on my CJ-6 (I believe some guys have) but I simply don't need them. I just don't fly that part of the envelope often enough, plus I like the "quaintness" of a vintage warbird. Just me.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
In a message dated 7/9/2013 8:41:43 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, havard.dale(at)yaknorway.com (havard.dale(at)yaknorway.com) writes:
| Quote: | Hi thanks,
Did he specify The benefits on stall speed?
BR
Havard
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Den 9. juli 2013 kl. 14:16 skrev cjpilot710(at)aol.com (cjpilot710(at)aol.com):
| Quote: | Just saw a Yak 52TW out in Cody, Wy. with a vortex kit on it. Owner said it made a "good deal of difference". The Clark Y airfoil is the same on all the Yaks, so you shouldn't have a problem figuring the proper placement.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
In a message dated 7/9/2013 8:07:19 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, havard.dale(at)yaknorway.com (havard.dale(at)yaknorway.com) writes:
| Quote: | Hi,
Just bought an 52. Previous Owner has allready lightning it pretty mutch. Now has empty weigh on 915kg. Intension is to make it more light around 880 kg. Engine will be upgraded to 400+HP. The Aircraft has to be prepaired for short take off and landing fields.
Any suggestions on best proppel to use? cruisespeed not importent, climb rate most importent.
Also would like to now if any has experience on wortex kit on Yak 52, benefits on stall speed etc..?
The rebuild will be possible to follow onhttp://www.yaknorway.com/ when we start.
Best regards
Havard Dale
Norway
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