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Where is a good place to put the static port on the TR4
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Mike
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| Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2014 8:08 am Post subject: Static port |
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Mine are (2) right behind the real seats on each side of the fuselage. No matter where you wind up putting it, make sure you verify the accuracy at different airspeeds. I will get pictures of the install when I get back home next week.
On Tuesday, September 23, 2014, Mike Pienaar <mjpienaar(at)shaw.ca (mjpienaar(at)shaw.ca)> wrote:
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| Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2014 8:41 am Post subject: Static port |
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Mine are part of the pitot tube. Kent
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Subject: Re: Static port
Mine are (2) right behind the real seats on each side of the fuselage. No matter where you wind up putting it, make sure you verify the accuracy at different airspeeds. I will get pictures of the install when I get back home next week.
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bakerocb
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| Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2014 4:51 am Post subject: Static Port |
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From: Owen Baker (bakerocb(at)cox.net)
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 4:46 PM
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Subject: Re: TAS Error with my new EFIS
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Hello KIS Listers, As mentioned earlier attached are copies of pictures of the two static ports on the forward fuselage sides of my KIS TR-1.
One port has a home made wedge to create an increased static pressure at the static port, 100_602. The other one, 100_599 does not.
The wedge has the effect of the airspeed indicator seeing a slightly increased static air stream pressure which results in a slower airspeed indication on the airspeed indicator needle as balanced against the dynamic air stream pressure coming from the pitot tube into the airspeed indicator.
This slight change in static airstream pressure causes me to speed up a bit to see a specific airspeed indication number on the instrument.
This wedge – no wedge combination on the two static ports gives me the airspeed and altitude information that I want to see in the cockpit.
OC
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| Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2014 4:52 am Post subject: Static port |
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9/24/2014
Hello KIS Listers, MIke Pienaar wrote: “Where is a good place to put the static port on the TR4?” and Galin wrote (in part) “..... make sure you verify the accuracy at different airspeeds.”
See the copied material below for further elaboration on this subject:
OC
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From: Owen Baker (bakerocb(at)cox.net)
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 8:17 AM
To: kis-list(at)matronics.com (kis-list(at)matronics.com) ; HERNANDEZ GALIN (galinhdz(at)gmail.com)
Subject: TAS Error with my new EFIS
10/22/2013
Hello Galin, On this subject you wrote (see copied below): “Pardon the long write-up.” No apology needed – your post was very detailed and valuable. I thank you for both the testing and the reminder write up that you provided.
I also posted on this subject back in April 15, 2010 in Matronics KIS list message #21700 under the subject “Re: Here’s an odd question”. I’ll copy that posting below, but I don’t know how well it will come through.
I also have some pictures of my KIS TR-1 static ports with and without wedge someplace in my computer. If I can find the pictures I will post them separately.
Thank you again for your work on our behalf.
OC
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[quote][b]Match: #27Message: #21700From: <bakerocb(at)cox.net>Subject: Re: Here's an odd questionDate: Apr 15, 2010[quote] 4/15/2010 Hello Mike McCann, You wrote: "Not sure why this (altitude variation with airspeed) would be, or more importantly, how to fix it." Hello Bernie, You wrote: "There didn't seem to be any theory behind it." This is not a very rare or mysterious phenomena. Inaccurate airspeed indications can be caused by inaccurate dynamic and static air pressure forces. Inaccurate altitude indications can be caused by inaccurate static pressure forces. AIRSPEED. Let's talk about inaccurate airspeed measurements first. An airspeed indicator is a balancing mechanism. It balances the difference between a force created by dynamic air pressure and a force created by static air pressure. The force from the dynamic air pressure is the result of the forward movement of the airplane. The faster the airplane moves the greater the force exerted. In order to get an accurate measure of that dynamic force one needs to accurately sense the free stream dynamic air pressure and send it to the airspeed indicator via leak and kink free tubing. That means sensing the air movement in the actual direction that the airplane is moving and having that air movement not affected by some local air flow direction change caused by the airframe itself. This is why you sometimes see flight test airplanes with a long boom sticking out forward with a small vane mechanism on the front of it. This boom and vane mechanism, along with connecting tubing, is a pitot tube system intended to accurately measure the force from the free stream dynamic air pressure without any inaccuracies introduced by local airframe air flow. See Note One below. So much for the dynamic force side of the airspeed indicator balancing act, what about the static force side? An accurate static force is provided by a static port ideally located somewhere on the airframe such that it is measuring the true static air pressure. But finding that ideal location and making the perfect static port that does not introduce static air pressure errors is not always so quick and easy. And what do we do if we discover that the static port that we have installed is not producing accurate static air pressure? See Note Two below. ALTITUDE. An altimeter is also a balancing mechanism. It measures the difference between the initial altitude setting of the altimeter mechanism as compared to the static air pressure encountered by that same mechanism while in flight and displays that difference in some lineal measurement (usually in feet in our part of the world). If the static pressure provided to the altimeter via the static port and the connecting tubing is in error or changes with the airplane's airspeed, when the actual altitude is constant, then the altimeter's altitude indication will be in error. And what do we do if we discover that the static port that we have installed is not producing accurate static air pressure? See Note Two below. 'OC' Says: "The best investment we can make is the effort to gather and understand knowledge." Note One: Why don't we use these long boom and vane type pitot tubes on our experimental amateur built aircraft? Because the boom and vane would take a terrific beating from people walking into them on the ground and because the dynamic force errors introduced by the type of pitot tubes that we commonly use are just not great enough to cause us concern. There is not very much we can do about adjusting the force coming from dynamic air pressure other than using a pitot tube located a sufficient distance from a disturbing piece of airframe (usually the bottom surface of a wing) and avoiding a leak or kink in the tubing going from the pitot tube to the airspeed indicator. Note Two: So we have built our airplane, installed our static port(s), and discovered that we are getting inaccurate airspeed and / or altitude indications and decide to do something about it. We could just go on installing new static ports in different locations, but that is a lot of work and we are not assured of better results. So we should do just what the big boy aerodynamic types do, we fudge or bandaid as needed to get the air to give us the results that we want. Let's say that the airspeed indicator is reading too high -- it says the airplane is going faster than it really is. (See Note Three). The dynamic air pressure side of the airspeed indicator is providing too much force in the desired balancing act. How can we counteract that excess dynamic force? We increase the static force being fed to the airspeed instrument by the static port by installing a small wedge just aft of the opening on the static port (thin edge of the wedge facing forward towards the hole). This small wedge causes air to pile up and increase the static air pressure going to the airspeed indicator (and also to the altimeter unless you have provided separate static ports for the two instruments) and give us the accurate force balance measurement that we want. Let's say that the altimeter reading goes down 200 feet when you speed up 60 miles per hour (Mike, you did not say which direction your altitude was changing with the changes in airspeed). This means that the static port is feeding greater than static pressure as your airplane flies faster. How can we reduce that undesired increase in static air pressure? We install a small wedge in front of the hole in the static port (thin edge of the wedge facing aft towards the hole) to shield it a bit from dynamic air pressure coming from the front in order to get a more stable and accurate altitude reading. How do we get the right size wedge facing the correct direction to get the airspeed and altitude results that we want? The same way the big boys do: TRIAL AND ERROR and MORE TRIAL AND ERROR. Because our airplanes are experimental, amateur built we are permitted to do just that -- experiment. Note Three: So now we know how to tweak our static port(s) to give us accurate airspeed and altitude information, but how do we know that the airspeed and altitude information is inaccurate in the first place and during our trial and error efforts how do we know when we have achieved the accuracy that we are seeking? The answer to those two questions is not as simple as one might first expect. I won't attempt to answer them here because the answers are too big and complex to answer in this forum. What I will suggest is that the reader google "accurate airspeed" and "accurate altitude" and delve into those subjects to the level desired. Here is just one source you will find: http://gpsinformation.net/main/altitude.htm Note Four: This is a personal view point. There are several methods available for determining accurate true airspeed. Some rather elaborate -- some use GPS. Just google "accurate airspeed using GPS". One thing that I've never quite understood regarding these methods is the focus on precisely determining airspeed accuracy indication in the cruising airspeed range. If I determine that my airspeed indicator shows 150 knots indicated airspeed and I determine through some elaborate scheme that I am actually only going 145 knots through the air what do I do with that information? Being 5 nautical miles short of my destination after a one hour flight is a trivial navigation error contribution compared to all the other error sources (such as heading, wind, and climb airspeed) that I have to contend with and should overcome anyway by some means of real time enroute navigation. I think that if I were going to invest a lot of time and effort in determining my exact airspeed error I would be inclined to do that determination in the approach airspeed arena, not the cruising airspeed arena. And even then I would not be obsessed with absolute airspeed accuracy, I'd just want to know what number on the indicator gives me the right kind of safe approach and landing time after time. ======================= ---
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