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brian.davies(at)clara.co.
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Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2016 5:47 am Post subject: Door Hinge

Many moons ago someone posted a door strut  mechanism that removed all of the spring strut force from the door when it was closed.  Does anyone have a link or drawing of the design?

 

Regards

 

Brian Davies

Burrilla

Joined: 25 Apr 2015
Posts: 187

Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2016 7:56 am Post subject: Door Hinge

I think I know the one you mean and have a copy but no access to my computer where it's stored.

I'll pass it on later.

Alan Burrill



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On 17 Dec 2016, at 13:47, Brian Davies <brian.davies(at)clara.co.uk (brian.davies(at)clara.co.uk)> wrote:

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Many moons ago someone posted a door strut  mechanism that removed all of the spring strut force from the door when it was closed.  Does anyone have a link or drawing of the design?

 

Regards

 

Brian Davies

pjeffers(at)talktalk.net
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Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2016 8:22 am Post subject: Door Hinge

Hi Alan, 

If and when you find the details could you copy me in as well. Ta

Pete J

Happy Christmas ðŸŽ… 



From: Alan Burrill (alanb(at)dpy01.co.uk)

Sent: â€Ž17/â€Ž12/â€Ž2016 16:02

To: europa-list(at)matronics.com (europa-list(at)matronics.com)

Subject: Re: Door Hinge

I think I know the one you mean and have a copy but no access to my computer where it's stored.

I'll pass it on later.

Alan Burrill



Sent from my iPad



On 17 Dec 2016, at 13:47, Brian Davies <brian.davies(at)clara.co.uk (brian.davies(at)clara.co.uk)> wrote:

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Many moons ago someone posted a door strut  mechanism that removed all of the spring strut force from the door when it was closed.  Does anyone have a link or drawing of the design?

 

Regards

 

Brian Davies

rowlandcarson(at)gmail.co
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Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2016 9:35 am Post subject: Door Hinge

On 2016-12-17, at 13:47, Brian Davies <brian.davies(at)clara.co.uk (brian.davies(at)clara.co.uk)> wrote: 	  Quote: 	
		  Many moons ago someone posted a door strut  mechanism that removed all of the spring strut force from the door when it was closed.  Does anyone have a link or drawing of the design? 	




Brian - hereâ€™s what Iâ€™ve got relating to Ted Gladstoneâ€™s design.

The sketches came from Gerry Cole who wrote:



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		    I attach my sketch of the upper pivot bracket as requested, which may be useful for Europaâ€™s mod. Iâ€™ve just had a good look round to see if I had a copy of Teds drawing but without success. However I did find my drawing of the lower pivot point machining needed to position the bottom end of the gas strut correctly within the stay. Iâ€™ll attach this in a second email since today Photo Gallery wants to put everything in a cloud if I try to attach both.    Should you want to go with Tedâ€™s mod he may not mind you contacting him â€“ he may still be in the LAA Edinburgh strut. I have his address as 19 Southfield Gardens East, Edinburgh EH15 QN, Tel No 0131 669 7255. He shares (shared?) Europa G-ZTED with Justin Kennedy which has a number of Tedâ€™s clever mods. 	




And now Iâ€™ve discovered another thread from 2014 which points to:



http://www.theeuropaclub.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/G-ZTED-Strut-Mod.pdf



So we should have looked on the Europa Club website first!



in friendship



Rowland



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Burrilla

Joined: 25 Apr 2015
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Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2016 10:35 am Post subject: Door Hinge

Brian, Pete and Rowland

and here is the full mod I downloaded.



 

Alan

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		  On 17 Dec 2016, at 17:34, Rowland Carson <rowlandcarson(at)gmail.com (rowlandcarson(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

On 2016-12-17, at 13:47, Brian Davies <brian.davies(at)clara.co.uk (brian.davies(at)clara.co.uk)> wrote: 	  Quote: 	
		  Many moons ago someone posted a door strut  mechanism that removed all of the spring strut force from the door when it was closed.  Does anyone have a link or drawing of the design? 	




Brian - hereâ€™s what Iâ€™ve got relating to Ted Gladstoneâ€™s design.

The sketches came from Gerry Cole who wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		    I attach my sketch of the upper pivot bracket as requested, which may be useful for Europaâ€™s mod. Iâ€™ve just had a good look round to see if I had a copy of Teds drawing but without success. However I did find my drawing of the lower pivot point machining needed to position the bottom end of the gas strut correctly within the stay. Iâ€™ll attach this in a second email since today Photo Gallery wants to put everything in a cloud if I try to attach both.    Should you want to go with Tedâ€™s mod he may not mind you contacting him â€“ he may still be in the LAA Edinburgh strut. I have his address as 19 Southfield Gardens East, Edinburgh EH15 QN, Tel No 0131 669 7255. He shares (shared?) Europa G-ZTED with Justin Kennedy which has a number of Tedâ€™s clever mods. 	




And now Iâ€™ve discovered another thread from 2014 which points to:



http://www.theeuropaclub.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/G-ZTED-Strut-Mod.pdf



So we should have looked on the Europa Club website first!



in friendship



Rowland



| Rowland Carson          ... that's Rowland with a 'w' ...| <rowlandcarson(at)gmail.com (rowlandcarson(at)gmail.com)>            http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk| Skype, Twitter: rowland_carson      Facebook: Rowland Carson

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pjeffers(at)talktalk.net
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Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2016 3:13 am Post subject: Door Hinge

Many thanks for that Alan.Â  Looking forward to seeing you next year.

Peter

 

From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan Burrill

Sent: 17 December 2016 18:35

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Subject: Re: Door Hinge

 

Brian, Pete and Rowland

 



and here is the full mod I downloaded.

clivesutton

Joined: 23 Jan 2013
Posts: 187
Location: KENILWORTH

Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2016 12:37 pm Post subject: Re: Door Hinge

Gents, in case its useful, a couple of pics of the gas strut mechanism including one of it installed on G-YETI - which is/was Gerry Cole's Kit 121.  I am also in receipt of recent correspondence from Andy Draper about it who advises it

can be considered a 'Trivial' MOD on the basis that the function of the 

strut is unchanged.  

Regards,  



Clive

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Duncan McFadyean

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Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2016 3:57 am Post subject: Door Hinge

Clive,

Care to share the critical dimensions? i.e. the centre-to-centre distances between the three pivots; assuming the standard shorter plastic ball ends have been used?

Rgds.,

Duncan McF.

 

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Gents, in case its useful a pic of the gas strut mechanism installed on kit 121 (which i now own and is registered as G-YETI).  I am also in receipt of recent correspondence from Andy Draper who accepts this as 'Trivial' on the basis that the function of the strut is unchanged by this MOD.  Regards,  Clive





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clivesutton

Joined: 23 Jan 2013
Posts: 187
Location: KENILWORTH

Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2016 1:21 pm Post subject: Re: Door Hinge

Duncan, certainly:



Centres between upper/door attachment end and hinge is 227mm

Centres between lower/fuselage arm attachment end and hinge is 240mm

Lower arm attachment and the rod end of the gas strut share the same location

Other/thicker end of the gas strut is placed 38mm from the hinge centre on the upper/door arm

The upper arm is made from 3mm thick 7/8 inch alu angle and the lower arm from same dimension except thinner 2mm thick alu angle.  There is a fair bit of shaping to do of the angle surface edges to package and enclose the strut - which connects using the supplied screw-in 'ball' fittings 



Do also bear in mind that the strut mechanisms are 'handed' per side



Actually (and complete credit should go to Gerry Cole for this) i have a pattern/mockup mechanism as image below.  If the Europa Club would like to put it on their 'inventory' of useful stuff/tools, i would be happy to donate it.



In the first instance though i will be posting it to Roger Lloyd - who got there first!



Hope it helps

Clive

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gccole13(at)btinternet.co
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Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2016 12:10 pm Post subject: Door Hinge

Number two â€“ The stay open on dining room table.

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 Subject: Door Hinge

Many moons ago someone posted a door strut  mechanism  that removed all of the spring strut force from the door when it was  closed.  Does anyone have a link or drawing of the design? 

Regards 

Brian  Davies

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gccole13(at)btinternet.co
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Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2016 12:14 pm Post subject: Door Hinge

Number three Door stay installed. Please note the tight fit. My notes will  explain.

  

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 To: europa-list(at)matronics.com (europa-list(at)matronics.com) 

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Many moons ago someone posted a door strut  mechanism  that removed all of the spring strut force from the door when it was  closed.  Does anyone have a link or drawing of the design? 

  

Regards 

  

Brian  Davies

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gccole13(at)btinternet.co
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Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2016 12:17 pm Post subject: Door Hinge

Number four. Installed  and connected to a open door. ( I see that the  door was not fully open in this shot â€“ the one behind is fully open.  It is  important to get the stops on the stay middle pivot just right so that the gas  strut does not foul the lower half of the stay.

  

  

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