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kearney

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Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2017 2:21 pm Post subject: Prop / Throttle / Mixture Quadrant

Hi



I am close to making a decision on whether or not to use vernier control knobs or quadrant controls for Prop / Throttle / Mixture. With the Aerosport interior, I can put the quadrant on the panel or on the center console.



For those who have already made this decision, I'd be interested in opinions etc.



Cheers



Les



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civengpe

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Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2017 2:30 pm Post subject: Prop / Throttle / Mixture Quadrant

Les,

I have the throttle quadrant and would not do it again. I love the look of it, but I really miss out on being able to fine adjust my mixture.  

Shannon



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 Cheers

 

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Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2017 3:18 pm Post subject: Prop / Throttle / Mixture Quadrant

Hi Les, 

If you can get a chance to fly an airplane with the quadrant, it would really help you. This is one of those things that is strictly personal preference. I’ve flown both and found I prefer the stock controls. Back when I bought mine, stock from Van’s was a straight push-pull throttle and vernier prop and mixture. I had owned a Bonanza prior to the -10 and it had vernier on all three. I definitely prefer no vernier on the throttle, but love it on prop and mixture for fine tuning. I know you’ll hear from others that love their quadrants. For what it’s worth, I rarely fly formation these days but I am pretty sure most serious formation organizations don’t allow, or really frown on, vernier throttles. 



David Maib

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		   On Nov 5, 2017, at 5:21 PM, kearney <kearney(at)shaw.ca> wrote:

 

 

 

 Hi

 

 I am close to making a decision on whether or not to use vernier control knobs or quadrant controls for Prop / Throttle / Mixture. With the Aerosport interior, I can put the quadrant on the panel or on the center console.

 

 For those who have already made this decision, I'd be interested in opinions etc.

 

 Cheers

 

 Les

 

 C-GROK (some assembly required)

 C-GCWZ (Flying)

 

 

 

 

 Read this topic online here:

 

 http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=474445#474445

philperry9

Joined: 23 Nov 2011
Posts: 381

Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2017 3:51 pm Post subject: Prop / Throttle / Mixture Quadrant

I have the traditional push/pulls and really like them.  All of my cables come from McFarlane and they sell a non-locking Vernier throttle.  (IE: A normal-looking throttle cable that you can push/pull like a normal throttle cable without having to push down a lock, but that you can fine tune by twisting too.)

I don’t regret the non-locking vernier at all, but I’m not really sure how much extra functionality it brings (and I don’t remember the cost difference to add that functionality either). 

But most of the time, it takes quite a few twists to change .1” of MP.  It’s really just as easy, and probably faster, to push the knob in and hunt for the right spot. 

For the RV-10, it really likes to perform up high and that means the black knob is pushed forward all the way anyway..... so there isn’t much fine tuning in a typical cruise. 

Like I said, I don’t regret the non-locking vernier throttle, but I am not sure if it’s really worth the money.    If we are talking under $100 then, yeah maybe it’s worth it.   But beyond that I’d question if I’d really need it again. 

Phil

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		   On Nov 5, 2017, at 5:16 PM, David Maib <dmaib(at)mac.com> wrote:

 Hi Les, 

 If you can get a chance to fly an airplane with the quadrant, it would really help you. This is one of those things that is strictly personal preference. I’ve flown both and found I prefer the stock controls. Back when I bought mine, stock from Van’s was a straight push-pull throttle and vernier prop and mixture. I had owned a Bonanza prior to the -10 and it had vernier on all three. I definitely prefer no vernier on the throttle, but love it on prop and mixture for fine tuning. I know you’ll hear from others that love their quadrants. For what it’s worth, I rarely fly formation these days but I am pretty sure most serious formation organizations don’t allow, or really frown on, vernier throttles. 

 David Maib

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Lenny Iszak

Joined: 23 Mar 2008
Posts: 270

Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2017 4:42 pm Post subject: Prop / Throttle / Mixture Quadrant

I had a Diamond Katana with center console mounted controls and wanted my -10 to have the throttle quadrant in the same place. Had to make a custom center console to do that. It worked out well. Glad to see that Geoff now offers that configuration. With the throttle quadrant in the center console you can just slide your arm forward on the armrest and you are on the controls. Pretty convenient. For fine control you can anchor your fingers on the right side of the console and move the knobs with your thumb.

The lining in the original (green) cables melts after a while and it becomes hard to fine tune the mixture and even the prop. Ever since I switched to the black cables from Push-pull.com all the controls have been smooth and adjusting the mixture accurately is never an issue.



Here’s a picture of an early 3D rendering of my panel/console.



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Lenny



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Kellym

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Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2017 6:29 pm Post subject: Prop / Throttle / Mixture Quadrant

I have the same McFarlane vernier push pull. IIRC the ratio on the 

throttle varies with how snug the friction lock is set. It is useful 

when seeking precise power settings to gather data, whether it is 

speeds, mixture, temps, etc.

I'm happy with a quadrant in a multi-engine aircraft. but prefer push 

pull for single engine.



On 11/5/2017 4:50 PM, Phillip Perry wrote:

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 I have the traditional push/pulls and really like them.  All of my cables come from McFarlane and they sell a non-locking Vernier throttle. 'm h (IE: A normal-looking throttle cable that you can push/pull like a normal throttle cable without having to push down a lock, but that you can fine tune by twisting too.)

 

 I don’t regret the non-locking vernier at all, but I’m not really sure how much extra functionality it brings (and I don’t remember the cost difference to add that functionality either).

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Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2017 7:17 pm Post subject: Prop / Throttle / Mixture Quadrant

Hey Les.



My config is the quadrant under the panel on the Aerosport centre console.  It's pretty much in the same position as http://www.aerosportproducts.com/rv10quadrant.htm though it looks a bit different (they've probably changed the design a couple of times since I bought it).



I do like it there - really comfortable to have my hand on the controls while resting my arm on the armrest.  I suppose a person would get used to whatever they have, but I can't imagine mine being somewhere different 



Dan

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		   On 2017-Nov-05, at 3:21 PM, kearney <kearney(at)shaw.ca> wrote:

 

 

 

 Hi

 

 I am close to making a decision on whether or not to use vernier control knobs or quadrant controls for Prop / Throttle / Mixture. With the Aerosport interior, I can put the quadrant on the panel or on the center console.

 

 For those who have already made this decision, I'd be interested in opinions etc.

 

 Cheers

 

 Les

 

 C-GROK (some assembly required)

 C-GCWZ (Flying)

 

 

 

 

 Read this topic online here:

 

 http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=474445#474445

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


	


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Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2017 7:33 pm Post subject: Re: Prop / Throttle / Mixture Quadrant

 	  Kellym wrote: 	
		  

I'm happy with a quadrant in a multi-engine aircraft. but prefer push 

pull for single engine.



	
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Definitely agree. Quadrant with a multi-engine airplane works best.

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Albert Gardner

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 455
Location: Yuma, AZ

Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2017 9:14 am Post subject: Prop / Throttle / Mixture Quadrant

Happy with a quadrant except when I'm upside down with my head under the

panel!

Albert Gardner

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Yuma, AZ

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Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 11:55 am Post subject: Prop / Throttle / Mixture Quadrant

Hi Les



I prefer a quadrant as you can have simultaneous access to all the controls easier without having to take your hand off one control to the next as in a vernier setup.



I have my quadrant on the panel with the Aerosport interior as that was the only option at the time. I would prefer the controls to be on the tunnel in the center console just like in the Cirrus, as that is a more natural position for your hand and also gives you more ‘real estate’ on the panel for other purposes.

Warm regards



Patrick



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		   On 6 Nov 2017, at 08:51, kearney <kearney(at)shaw.ca> wrote:

 

 

 

 Hi

 

 I am close to making a decision on whether or not to use vernier control knobs or quadrant controls for Prop / Throttle / Mixture. With the Aerosport interior, I can put the quadrant on the panel or on the center console.

 

 For those who have already made this decision, I'd be interested in opinions etc.

 

 Cheers

 

 Les

 

 C-GROK (some assembly required)

 C-GCWZ (Flying)

 

 

 

 

 Read this topic online here:

 

 http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=474445#474445

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