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Hopperdhh(at)aol.com
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Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 6:47 am Post subject: Illegal Crankshaft Question

I recently had to tear down my 200 hp IO-360-C1E6 engine that I bought  through Ebay about 3 years ago from a small reputable (I thought) Florida  shop.

  

 This engine was sold to me as a certified engine "overhauled to new  limits".  It looked very good on the outside.  Inside, I found several  quality issues.  The most glaring one was that the crankshaft was from a  left turning LIO-360.  

  

 Using a left turning crank in a right turning engine puts the oil  hole that feeds oil to the rod bearings in the worst possible place according to  Taylor in "The Internal Combustion Engine in Theory and Practice."  It is  located in the area of highest force which limits the amount of oil which can  reach the bearing, and it reduces the bearing area of the crankshaft where it is  needed most.

  

 I have been told that using this crank in a right turning certified engine  is illegal according to the FAA.  My question is what should I do?   Should I approach the shop, get an attorney, or go directly to the FAA?  I  can't afford to run up a large legal bill, but I would like to at least get the  proper crankshaft for the engine I paid good money for.

  

 Dan Hopper

 Walton, IN

 RV-7A

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fltrbg(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 8:35 am Post subject: Illegal Crankshaft Question

Why assume they are not reputable so quickly?It might have been an honest oversight on their part.Calling them first and explaining the problem seems the logical first step.Does litigation need to precede a one on one conversation with another person?

   

   John  

   Hamilton Ontario,Canada.



Hopperdhh(at)aol.com wrote:

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  I recently had to tear down my 200 hp IO-360-C1E6 engine that I bought through Ebay about 3 years ago from a small reputable (I thought) Florida shop.

   

  This engine was sold to me as a certified engine "overhauled to new limits".  It looked very good on the outside.  Inside, I found several quality  issues.  The most glaring one was that the crankshaft was from a left turning LIO-360.  

   

  Using a left turning crank in a right turning engine puts the oil hole that feeds oil to the rod bearings in the worst possible place according to Taylor in "The Internal Combustion Engine in Theory and Practice."  It is located in the area of highest force which limits the amount of oil which can reach the bearing, and it reduces the bearing area of the crankshaft where it is needed most.

   

  I have been told that using this crank in a right turning certified engine is illegal according to the FAA.  My question is what should I do?  Should I approach the shop, get an attorney, or go directly to the FAA?  I can't afford to run up a large legal bill, but I would like to at least get the proper crankshaft for the engine I paid good money for.

   

  Dan Hopper

   Walton, IN

  RV-7A

	




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redswing(at)mcn.org
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Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 11:12 am Post subject: Illegal Crankshaft Question

My views also, give the shop a chance.

 Red Hamilton

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Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 1:56 pm Post subject: Illegal Crankshaft Question

Ditto, here.

 I have at least two people a month that come in and  want me to correct

 another shop's screw up.

 Well, guess what? Frequently it is the person  complaining that has no clue, 

 or in some cases, the "other" shop did just exactly  what the customer wanted.

 I try not to involve myself in these matters unless  they are irresolvable.

 My first suggestion is to go back, or call the  shop, and see if this can reach

 an amicable solution

 I would also want the opportunity to review the  issues of an unhappy customer from my shop.

 We are not infallible, although some might  disagree.

  

 If this is in an experimental aircraft, and you  wish to improve the oiling, take it to a 

 racing engine shop, and have it crossdrilled. (and  while apart, have it balanced)

 Archie

  

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n801bh(at)netzero.com
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Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 4:56 pm Post subject: Illegal Crankshaft Question

let me guess, it was either Dick Waters ao his son Donnie George......

 

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Ben Haas

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-- Hopperdhh(at)aol.com wrote:

   

 I recently had to tear down my 200 hp IO-360-C1E6 engine that I bought through Ebay about 3 years ago from a small reputable (I thought) Florida shop.

  

 This engine was sold to me as a certified engine "overhauled to new limits".  It looked very good on the outside.  Inside, I found several quality issues.  The most glaring one was that the crankshaft was from a left turning LIO-360.  

  

 Using a left turning crank in a right turning engine puts the oil hole that feeds oil to the rod bearings in the worst possible place according to Taylor in "The Internal Combustion Engine in Theory and Practice."  It is located in the area of highest force which limits the amount of oil which can reach the bearing, and it reduces the bearing area of the crankshaft where it is needed most.

  

 I have been told that using this crank in a right turning certified engine is illegal according to the FAA.  My question is what should I do?  Should I approach the shop, get an attorney, or go directly to the FAA?  I can't afford to run up a large legal bill, but I would like to at least get the proper crankshaft for the engine I paid good money for.

  

 Dan Hopper

 Walton, IN

 RV-7A

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philipac(at)suncraftgroup
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Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 1:42 am Post subject: Illegal Crankshaft Question

Dan,

 

 Approach the shop politely... As if assuming it’s an honest mistake, which it could be. Even if it is not so, the shop would probably prefer to exchange crankshafts and make the engine good, rather than risk the FAA nosing around, and other possible legal consequences.

 

 When you are right, most of the time it’s better to knock gently at the door first, keeping the big sticks in reserve in case the first knock is met with lack of common sense. And then, if you find out you are dealing with a fool rather than with a misguided gentleman, hit hard and decisively!

 

 Regards

 

 Philip Chollet

 

 

 On 13/8/06 3:42 PM, "Hopperdhh(at)aol.com" <Hopperdhh(at)aol.com> wrote:

 

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 I recently had to tear down my 200 hp IO-360-C1E6 engine that I bought through Ebay about 3 years ago from a small reputable (I thought) Florida shop.

  

 This engine was sold to me as a certified engine "overhauled to new limits".  It looked very good on the outside.  Inside, I found several quality issues.  The most glaring one was that the crankshaft was from a left turning LIO-360.  

  

 Using a left turning crank in a right turning engine puts the oil hole that feeds oil to the rod bearings in the worst possible place according to Taylor in "The Internal Combustion Engine in Theory and Practice."  It is located in the area of highest force which limits the amount of oil which can reach the bearing, and it reduces the bearing area of the crankshaft where it is needed most.

  

 I have been told that using this crank in a right turning certified engine is illegal according to the FAA.  My question is what should I do?  Should I approach the shop, get an attorney, or go directly to the FAA?  I can't afford to run up a large legal bill, but I would like to at least get the proper crankshaft for the engine I paid good money for.

  

 Dan Hopper

 Walton, IN

 RV-7A

 

 	


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Speedy11(at)aol.com
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Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 9:50 am Post subject: Illegal Crankshaft Question

John gave the best advice I've ever seen on this forum.

 Stan Sutterfield

 www.rv-8a.net

 IO-390 is hanging

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		  Why assume they are not reputable so quickly?It might have been an honest oversight

on their part.Calling them first and explaining the problem seems the logical

first step.Does litigation need to precede a one on one conversation with

another person?

   

   John  

   Hamilton Ontario,Canada 	


 

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Hopperdhh(at)aol.com
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Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 10:00 am Post subject: Illegal Crankshaft Question

Stan,

  

 I agree.  I replied to him personally and thanked him.   Everyone has said essentially the same thing, so that is the approach that I'll  take.

  

 Thanks to all,

  

 Dan

  

  

  

  

 In a message dated 8/14/2006 1:54:21 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  Speedy11(at)aol.com writes:

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		        John gave the best advice I've ever seen on this forum.

   Stan Sutterfield

   www.rv-8a.net

   IO-390 is hanging

   Do not archive

    

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		  Why assume they are not reputable so quickly?It might have been      an honest oversight

on their part.Calling them first and explaining the      problem seems the logical

first step.Does litigation need to precede a      one on one conversation with

another person?

        

   John  

   Hamilton    Ontario,Canada 	


   

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Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 10:13 am Post subject: Illegal Crankshaft Question

Yes, he did.

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