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irampil(at)notes.cc.sunys
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Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 7:56 am Post subject: Landing Lights

There are substantial differences (orders of magnitude) in light flux between what is useful 

as a recognition or anti-collision light and a useful landing light.  I have been looking for years 

at automotive auxillary halogen lights (the 35 or 50 watt) variety and even bought two 

different pairs to evaluate.  In my opinion, they are not useful as actual landing lights. 

 

Landing lights like the GE 4509 PAR are just much more bright and appropriately collimated 

to the specific task by the reflector housing. 

 

I mentioned last year that Lo Presti Speed Merchants have GA (TSO quality for retrofit to commercial) 

Xenon systems for approximately $350 for the homebuilt version.  The offer is still good as of Oshkosh 06. 

Xenon is really the best way to go at present, very long life, vibration resistant, a quarter or less current  

draw vs the old GE, and no RFI with appropriate shielding.  

 

Certainly for a Nose Gear mount, Xenon would be first choice. 

 

Ira N224XS [quote][b]

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kheindl(at)msn.com
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Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 10:34 am Post subject: Landing Lights

I remember John Hurst saying: what do you need landing lights for ? He was a 

frequent night flyer.

Why carry that extra junk when 99.9 % of the time you are flying at daytime 

anyway. And you are unlikely to land on an unlit runway.



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		  From: irampil(at)notes.cc.sunysb.edu

Reply-To: europa-list(at)matronics.com

To: europa-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Landing Lights

Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 11:55:33 -0400



   There are substantial differences (orders of magnitude) in light flux

between what is useful

as a recognition or anti-collision light and a useful landing light.  I

have been looking for years

at automotive auxillary halogen lights (the 35 or 50 watt) variety and

even bought two

different pairs to evaluate.  In my opinion, they are not useful as actual

landing lights.



Landing lights like the GE 4509 PAR are just much more bright and

appropriately collimated

to the specific task by the reflector housing.



I mentioned last year that Lo Presti Speed Merchants have GA (TSO quality

for retrofit to commercial)

Xenon systems for approximately $350 for the homebuilt version.  The offer

is still good as of Oshkosh 06.

Xenon is really the best way to go at present, very long life, vibration

resistant, a quarter or less current

draw vs the old GE, and no RFI with appropriate shielding.



Certainly for a Nose Gear mount, Xenon would be first choice.



Ira N224XS

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fklein(at)orcasonline.com
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Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 11:11 am Post subject: Landing Lights

The strips I fly into w/ lighted runways typically do not have lighted 

taxiways, and even where the taxiways are lit up, I would not venture 

into them without landing/taxi lights on my aircraft, for situational 

awareness if nothing else...consequently, while installing the wing tip 

LED position/strobe lights by www.creativair.com, I have opted to 

include their combo units which include 75 w. halogen landing/taxi 

lights.



Fred

Ai94



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On Tuesday, September 5, 2006, at 11:33 AM, Karl Heindl wrote:



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 I remember John Hurst saying: what do you need landing lights for ? He 

 was a frequent night flyer.

 Why carry that extra junk when 99.9 % of the time you are flying at 

 daytime anyway. And you are unlikely to land on an unlit runway.



 do not archive

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raimo.toivio(at)rwm.fi
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Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 1:08 pm Post subject: Landing Lights

Dear Karl,



in my case the night flight 

is the best part of flying.

And in Finland when it is dark

it is really dark. And almost

all the runways are unlit and

those with lights are saving energy...



I have to say when landing in the night 

and your plane falls to the total darkness 

between trees you miss good light. 

That is Xenon light.



The 100 W halogen bulb of my Cessna´s

landing light is like grand mama´s candle

lantern when comparing to the 35 W Xenon. 



And for those day-time-only-pilots landing

light is extra safety. When on you are very 

visible.  



For me personally those lights are necessary.

No matter how much they cost, drink or weigh.



"I wish (some Xenon) light for the people 

which wanders in the darkness"



Regards, Raimo

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kheindl(at)msn.com
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Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 2:43 pm Post subject: Landing Lights

Dear Raimo,



I am very happy for you, I didn't really want to be critical. Actually, I 

did install allthe wiring etc. for landing lights, but then never found a 

strong reason to install the light itself. Those xenon lights really seem 

the business. I am not brave enough to fly at night, although I had the 

training. In the US, where I got my original licence in Colorado, night 

flying is very popular, but there are long runways almost everywhere within 

gliding distance. It was fun to turn the airport lights on and off to check 

your position. But then, if you fly into Oshkosh, they tell you to turn off 

your lights.



Best regards,



karl





[quote]From: "Raimo Toivio" <raimo.toivio(at)rwm.fi>

Reply-To: europa-list(at)matronics.com

To: <europa-list(at)matronics.com>

Subject: Re: Landing Lights

Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 00:15:28 +0300






Dear Karl,



in my case the night flight

is the best part of flying.

And in Finland when it is dark

it is really dark. And almost

all the runways are unlit and

those with lights are saving energy...



I have to say when landing in the night

and your plane falls to the total darkness

between trees you miss good light.

That is Xenon light.



The 100 W halogen bulb of my Cessna´s

landing light is like grand mama´s candle

lantern when comparing to the 35 W Xenon.



And for those day-time-only-pilots landing

light is extra safety. When on you are very

visible.



For me personally those lights are necessary.

No matter how much they cost, drink or weigh.



"I wish (some Xenon) light for the people

which wanders in the darkness"



Regards, Raimo

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raimo.toivio(at)rwm.fi
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Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 11:48 pm Post subject: Landing Lights

Dear Karl,



I am never brave enough to fly to Oshkosh;)

here is an air traffic jam when there is two or three

Cessnas in circuit. If a commercial plane is coming,

all the others had to fly to the waiting pattern and fly 

round and round to the ethernity.



Most of the runways are 1500-3000 feet, untowered,

unlighted, unpopulated and middle of the forest faraway

from everywhere. Only real city airport is in Helsinki

but "they" will destroy it. If you like to eat 300$ hamburger,

it is easy but you must grill it by yourself.



Here is a link for saving Malmi airport:



http://pelastamalmi.org/fi/index.html



Welcome to the European Alaska, Finland.

With or without lights...



Regard, Raimo

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