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 Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 10:42 am Post subject: When Do the Pieces Come Together? |
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I am about to build a workshop and need to know how big to make it. Due to hillside property constraints, it will be long and narrow, with the doors on the long side. If I’m not careful, I may not be able to get the fuselage back out again, once assembled. I guess I could sit down and read the plans from one end to the other, but thought the forum might produce answers more quickly, so here goes:
Once all the individual “pieces” are assembled (e.g. vertical stab, horiz. stab. rudder, elevator, tail cone, wings, fuselage), in what order are they attached to one another? I assume the tail cone gets attached to the fuselage fairly soon, and then the cabin top, landing gear and engine. Obviously the wings aren’t attached until you are practically at the airport, but when must the vertical & horizontal stab and elevators be attached? Please understand the purpose of these questions is to maximize work performed inside, while still being able to get the finished contraption out the door (which will probably be a removable wall of the shop).
Bill Reining (with my son Jon)
40514 (tail cone)
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Tim(at)MyRV10.com
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| Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 11:12 am Post subject: When Do the Pieces Come Together? |
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Bill,
I don't think it's really too big a worry for you. The reason
being that you really don't need to do any permanent assembly
of the "winged" parts until you're ready for final assembly.
You will want to test fit the wings and drill the rear spar
and stuff like that, but that's only maybe 2 hours max...and
you can pull it outside for that amount of time.
Assembling the tail you put on the HS, VS, Elevators, and Rudder,
basically in that order. You don't need to do much with them
until final assembly again though. At most, just a quick
assembly of the HS and VS so you can do the intersection fairing
for a couple hours.
So, just plan to build all the parts and not do much with them
until you have to. The tailcone to fuselage is a little sooner
than the others, as you've noticed. But, if you have a long area,
then you're fine. If you have 20' x 6', you could in theory work
on the fuse with tailcone. More than that and you're good to go.
Push it to 22' or 23' long when you get the engine on and you're
still fine.
The hardest part, as you've noticed, is getting it out the door,
if it's on the side of the shop. You may end up even
busting a wall unless you can put a hole in one end of the
building. Other than that, you probably will have no problem.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
Bill Reining wrote:
| Quote: | I am about to build a workshop and need to know how big to make it. Due
to hillside property constraints, it will be long and narrow, with the
doors on the long side. If I’m not careful, I may not be able to get
the fuselage back out again, once assembled. I guess I could sit down
and read the plans from one end to the other, but thought the forum
might produce answers more quickly, so here goes:
Once all the individual “pieces” are assembled (e.g. vertical stab,
horiz. stab. rudder, elevator, tail cone, wings, fuselage), in what
order are they attached to one another? I assume the tail cone gets
attached to the fuselage fairly soon, and then the cabin top, landing
gear and engine. Obviously the wings aren’t attached until you are
practically at the airport, but when must the vertical & horizontal stab
and elevators be attached? Please understand the purpose of these
questions is to maximize work performed inside, while still being able
to get the finished contraption out the door (which will probably be a
removable wall of the shop).
Bill Reining (with my son Jon)
40514 (tail cone)
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Jerry Grimmonpre'
Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 144
Location: Huntley, Illinois 60142
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| Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 11:18 am Post subject: When Do the Pieces Come Together? |
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Bill ...
I once saw a small hangar with twin 16 foot wide overhead doors side by side. There was a post between the two doors that tilted up out of the way to provide a clear span of over 32 feet. Something for possibility thinking. The two doors could be only 10 feet wide each if they served the need.
Just my two cents worth ...
Jerry Grimmonpre'
RV4 flying
RV8A wires
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jwt(at)roadmapscoaching.c
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| Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 3:27 pm Post subject: When Do the Pieces Come Together? |
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Bill,
I am building in a basement with a French door. It is easy (relatively) to take the horizontal and vertical stabs on and off. I plan to keep mine off, move to the paint booth when the plane is mostly complete, and then to a hanger. I will probably have to take the gear legs off to get out the door.
John Testement
jwt(at)roadmapscoaching.com (jwt(at)roadmapscoaching.com)
40321
Richmond, VA
FWF, engine, wiring
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Subject: When Do the Pieces Come Together?
I am about to build a workshop and need to know how big to make it. Due to hillside property constraints, it will be long and narrow, with the doors on the long side. If I’m not careful, I may not be able to get the fuselage back out again, once assembled. I guess I could sit down and read the plans from one end to the other, but thought the forum might produce answers more quickly, so here goes:
Once all the individual “pieces” are assembled (e.g. vertical stab, horiz. stab. rudder, elevator, tail cone, wings, fuselage), in what order are they attached to one another? I assume the tail cone gets attached to the fuselage fairly soon, and then the cabin top, landing gear and engine. Obviously the wings aren’t attached until you are practically at the airport, but when must the vertical & horizontal stab and elevators be attached? Please understand the purpose of these questions is to maximize work performed inside, while still being able to get the finished contraption out the door (which will probably be a removable wall of the shop).
Bill Reining (with my son Jon)
40514 (tail cone)
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indigoonlatigo(at)msn.com
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| Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 4:47 pm Post subject: When Do the Pieces Come Together? |
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John,
You might also consider leaving the steps off until it gets out the doors
aswell. That is what I have had to do. You will notice that the baggage
floor and the baggage area side panels will cover up the area where you
insert the long bolt into the step mount, so even with an access panel in
the baggage floor, which will allow you to get a wrench in there, you might
not be able to insert the long bolt because the space is not big enough to
get the bolt into the receiver.
I made my baggage area side panels removable and drilled a hole in the
baggage floor right over the insert hole in the step's receiver. I'll remove
my side panels, insert the bolt through the hole in the floor and then get
the wrench in there through the access panel which I made.
If you haven't got to this par t of the build, save the email.
I don't think I could get the fuse with the cabin on out of my basement if
the steps are on.
John G.
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To: <rv10-list(at)matronics.com>
Subject: RE: When Do the Pieces Come Together?
Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 18:26:40 -0500
Bill,
I am building in a basement with a French door. It is easy (relatively) to
take the horizontal and vertical stabs on and off. I plan to keep mine off,
move to the paint booth when the plane is mostly complete, and then to a
hanger. I will probably have to take the gear legs off to get out the door.
John Testement
HYPERLINK "mailto:jwt(at)roadmapscoaching.com"jwt(at)roadmapscoaching.com
40321
Richmond, VA
FWF, engine, wiring
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Reining
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 1:42 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: When Do the Pieces Come Together?
I am about to build a workshop and need to know how big to make it. Due to
hillside property constraints, it will be long and narrow, with the doors
on
the long side. If I’m not careful, I may not be able to get the fuselage
back out again, once assembled. I guess I could sit down and read the
plans
from one end to the other, but thought the forum might produce answers more
quickly, so here goes:
Once all the individual “pieces” are assembled (e.g. vertical stab, horiz.
stab. rudder, elevator, tail cone, wings, fuselage), in what order are they
attached to one another? I assume the tail cone gets attached to the
fuselage fairly soon, and then the cabin top, landing gear and engine.
Obviously the wings aren’t attached until you are practically at the
airport, but when must the vertical & horizontal stab and elevators be
attached? Please understand the purpose of these questions is to
maximize
work performed inside, while still being able to get the finished
contraption out the door (which will probably be a removable wall of the
shop).
Bill Reining (with my son Jon)
40514 (tail cone)
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bldanrv9a(at)yahoo.com
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| Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 7:17 pm Post subject: When Do the Pieces Come Together? |
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We built ours in my oversized single stall garage.
Rough dimensions were 13X26 ft with a 10X10 ft work
area in the front. The door is 8ft by 6'6" high. We
kept the fuselage on temporary gear for as long as we
could and had to slide it out the door with the main
wheels off. Many pieces were fitted and then removed
to be reinstalled later. For example we used a nice
summer day to push the tail out the door to mount the
VS and HS. Final assembly is taking place in a hangar
at the airport. We have pictures if you have a
specific question I could answer.
Jerry Petersen
40373
--- Bill Reining <wreining(at)gmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | I am about to build a workshop and need to know how
big to make it. Due to
hillside property constraints, it will be long and
narrow, with the doors on
the long side. If I'm not careful, I may not be
able to get the fuselage
back out again, once assembled. I guess I could sit
down and read the plans
from one end to the other, but thought the forum
might produce answers more
quickly, so here goes:
Once all the individual "pieces" are assembled (e.g.
vertical stab, horiz.
stab. rudder, elevator, tail cone, wings, fuselage),
in what order are they
attached to one another? I assume the tail cone
gets attached to the
fuselage fairly soon, and then the cabin top,
landing gear and engine.
Obviously the wings aren't attached until you are
practically at the
airport, but when must the vertical & horizontal
stab and elevators be
attached? Please understand the purpose of these
questions is to maximize
work performed inside, while still being able to get
the finished
contraption out the door (which will probably be a
removable wall of the
shop).
Bill Reining (with my son Jon)
40514 (tail cone)
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LarryRosen
Joined: 16 Jan 2006
Posts: 415
Location: Medford, NJ
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| Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 8:03 pm Post subject: When Do the Pieces Come Together? |
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Jerry,
Because or support columns in my 3 car garage, I will need to reorient
my fuselage to sit in one of the car bays. It is only 20 feet long, so
I will need to build a temporary extension. I was hoping to extend it
by 4 feet. Making it 24 feet long.. Would 24' give me enough length to
mount the engine, prop, and spinner onto the fuse (everything less
wings, vertical stab and horizontal stab) and still be able to walk
around the front?
Larry Rosen
#356
jerry petersen wrote:
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We built ours in my oversized single stall garage.
Rough dimensions were 13X26 ft with a 10X10 ft work
area in the front. The door is 8ft by 6'6" high. We
kept the fuselage on temporary gear for as long as we
could and had to slide it out the door with the main
wheels off. Many pieces were fitted and then removed
to be reinstalled later. For example we used a nice
summer day to push the tail out the door to mount the
VS and HS. Final assembly is taking place in a hangar
at the airport. We have pictures if you have a
specific question I could answer.
Jerry Petersen
40373
--- Bill Reining <wreining(at)gmail.com> wrote:
> I am about to build a workshop and need to know how
> big to make it. Due to
> hillside property constraints, it will be long and
> narrow, with the doors on
> the long side. If I'm not careful, I may not be
> able to get the fuselage
> back out again, once assembled. I guess I could sit
> down and read the plans
> from one end to the other, but thought the forum
> might produce answers more
> quickly, so here goes:
>
>
>
> Once all the individual "pieces" are assembled (e.g.
> vertical stab, horiz.
> stab. rudder, elevator, tail cone, wings, fuselage),
> in what order are they
> attached to one another? I assume the tail cone
> gets attached to the
> fuselage fairly soon, and then the cabin top,
> landing gear and engine.
> Obviously the wings aren't attached until you are
> practically at the
> airport, but when must the vertical & horizontal
> stab and elevators be
> attached? Please understand the purpose of these
> questions is to maximize
> work performed inside, while still being able to get
> the finished
> contraption out the door (which will probably be a
> removable wall of the
> shop).
>
>
>
> Bill Reining (with my son Jon)
>
> 40514 (tail cone)
>
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bldgrv10450(at)comcast.ne
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| Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 10:30 pm Post subject: When Do the Pieces Come Together? |
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Nice to know that I'm not the only one building in my basement.
Thanks for the tip on the step bolt insert hole. I saw that on another 10 in
Bend, Or. last weekend.
I appreciate these great ideas? The littlest idea can sometimes help a big
group of builders.
Storage of big parts almost complete, now it's back to building.
Paul Grimstad
RV10 40450 fuselage
Portland, OR 97219
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