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brian(at)mycarpetsource.c
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Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 7:18 pm Post subject: Perspective Europa XS purchase - Questions for

Steven,

    You have hit on a very sensitive subject for me.  I am 6' 4" 260lbs and the biggest Europa pilot I know personally.  After I mostly finished my airframe and before I purchased firewall forward and instruments, I decide to spend some quality time in the left seat with John at Europa (DUH?).  I quickly decided to sell my project and start building a C-130 Hercules.  After Getting a price on the C-130, I decided to try to make my Europa fit.     I made many mods to help work it out so don't think just because I fit in mine you will fit in any Europa.  The two areas of easiest manipulation are the lumbar support and the seat cushion thickness. I am 39" from ass in seat to the top of my head.  The Europa with no cushion is 37" straight up.  A thick lumbar will push your lower body forward giving more head room; that is until your knees hit the panel.  While sitting, from the bottom of my shoes to my back as it rest on the seat is 51".  I moved my rudder pedals 1" forward.  I a

 lso trashed the mono wheel and elected for the conventional gear. This allowed me to cut some relief into the console and move my body more toward the center highest part of the canopy (whew).  I use 1" thick temper-foam for a seat cushion and fit well enough to be comfortable for 3 hours.  So I would surmise if you measure 50" or less from bottom of shoe to your back while seated and 38" or less from ass to head top while seated you will be at least as comfortable as I am.  I every other way this is the best most fun aircraft for the money I can imagine.  

P.S. I almost forgot. If your looking at a Classic Europa, nothing I said matters because the foot well is shorter.

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josok-e(at)ukolo.fi
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Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2007 12:46 am Post subject: Perspective Europa XS purchase - Questions for

Did i say somehing wrong?



Kind Regards,



Jos Okhuijsen

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raimo.toivio(at)rwm.fi
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Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2007 7:14 am Post subject: Perspective Europa XS purchase - Questions for

Jos, 



In my mind you did not.



In fact I thought also

it would be valuable

to get to know those

dangerous building errors

= "not-so-good -points".



Maybe you managed to stir

the bee-hive. I know one case

where honourable inspector

asked builder to raise the flaps

(monowheel). I have to say this

happened outside of Finland 

last autumn. By telling this story

I try to explain "inspected" plane

is not same as "faultless and safe"

plane. Some of those inspectors

are only "papermen" w/o any

understanding of any plane.



Wishes, Raimo

==========

Raimo M W Toivio



OH-XRT Europa XS Mono #417, completed 

OH-CVK C172 Skyhawk, under reinterioring

OH-BLL Beechcraft C45, w radial engines (grounded)



37500  Lempaala

Finland

tel + 358 3 3753 777

fax + 358 3 3753 100

gsm + 358 40 590 1450



raimo.toivio(at)rwm.fi

www.rwm.fi



do not archive

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josok-e(at)ukolo.fi
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Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2007 11:00 am Post subject: Perspective Europa XS purchase - Questions for

Thanks Willie for sharing those nasties with us. It's an impressive list, and i Will once more check my project for those errors mentioned. 



 I personally don't rely on an inspector to find the errors for me, after all it will by my skin first if something goes wrong. For instance when i pressurized the fuel system and checked everything with soapy water i was shocked to find 5 places were bubbles appeared. Two of them were only finger tight connections, two bad flares ( i use alu tubing) And one inch to mil connection leaking. The place i expected to leak, araldite connections, were all sound. I still hope my kit's interior will not smell after fuel  



In my humble opinion your ( PFA's) inspection system takes the responsibility away from the builder, or at least could form that impression. But i am an outsider, no offence please.



Kind Regards,



Jos Okhuijsen

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