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wdaniell(at)etb.net.co
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Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 4:03 pm Post subject: fuel hose

I see rather belatedly that the fabric co vered fuel hose is not recommended for installation.  Is this so?  

   

If so what is recommended?  What is the most durable stuff (for trigear)?  I plan to run on AVGAS.  

   

Will  

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grahamsingleton(at)btinte
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Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 2:29 am Post subject: fuel hose

Will

  the best solution is either solid aluminum or teflon lined. The latter 

is more expensive.

Graham



William Daniell wrote:

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 I see rather belatedly that the fabric co vered fuel hose is not 

 recommended for installation.  Is this so?

 

  

 

 If so what is recommended?  What is the most durable stuff (for 

 trigear)?  I plan to run on AVGAS.

wdaniell(at)etb.net.co
Guest

Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 4:17 am Post subject: fuel hose

Solid aluminum sounds somewhat of a challenge - bending and all that.  Is

it?



Teflon lined...what would be a typical brand?



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grahamsingleton(at)btinte
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Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 6:41 am Post subject: fuel hose

Will

n0ot really difficult at all, except that you need a flaring tool for 

the joints. Best to beg or borrow one. I have one but that's in 

Derbyshire. Bending is done by hand, the 3003 Versatube from Spruce is 

cheap and very soft.

Graham



William Daniell wrote:

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 Solid aluminum sounds somewhat of a challenge - bending and all that.  Is

 it?

 

 Teflon lined...what would be a typical brand?

 

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jodel(at)nildram.co.uk
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Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 7:15 am Post subject: fuel hose

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		  the best solution is either solid aluminum 


	


Solid Aluminium sounds a bit too challenging to me.

Ali' tube on the other hand......... 



Simon



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topglock(at)cox.net
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Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 7:52 am Post subject: fuel hose

Will,

 

 I used standard metal break line in the fuse and automotive fuel injection hose to make up the connections, firewall forward and to the pumps, valves and filters.  No problems in 260+ hours.  Under the cowl, I ran the hoses through heat shielding used for race cars...

 

 Jeff - Baby Blue

 

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I see rather belatedly that the fabric co vered fuel hose is not recommended for installation.  Is this so?   

    

If so what is recommended?  What is the most durable stuff (for trigear)?  I plan to run on AVGAS.   

    

Will   

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rlborger(at)mac.com
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Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 7:53 am Post subject: fuel hose

Will,

Aeroquip 666 is the industry standard in carbon-lined, teflon hose.  It isn't cheep.  And is isn't particularly light.  But it's forever stuff, you only put it in once.  And it's a lot tougher than anything else out there.



See Aircraft Spruce for details.



BTW, the teflon hose used in fuel systems MUST be carbon lined or the static electricity generated by the fuel flowing through the line will eventually burn tiny pin-hole leaks in the hose.

 Good building and great flying,

Bob Borger

Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, Intercooled 914, Airmaster C/S

http://www.europaowners.org/N914XL

(85%) tail kit done, wings closed, cockpit module installed, pitch system in, landing gear frame in, rudder system in, outrigger mod in, Fuselage Top on, lift/drag/flap pins in, wing incidence set, tie bar in, flap drive in, Mod 70 done.  Baggage bay in.  Flaps & Main Gear complete.  Mod 72 complete.  Working in - 24 Instrument Panel, 25 Electrical, 30 Fuel System, 32 Tail, 34 Door Latches & 35 Doors, 37 Finishing.  Airmaster arrived 29 Sep 05.  Seat arrived from Oregon Aero.  E04 interior kit has arrived and is being installed.  Installing the ROTAX 914, again.

3705 Lynchburg Dr.

Corinth, TX  76208

Home:  940-497-2123

Cel:  817-992-1117

 



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wdaniell(at)etb.net.co
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Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 8:53 am Post subject: fuel hose

Is that avgas or mo gas – I understand it makes a differece  

         

  

From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff B

 Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2007 10:51

 To: europa-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: FW: fuel hose  

  

   

Will,

 

 I used standard metal break line in the fuse and automotive fuel injection hose to make up the connections, firewall forward and to the pumps, valves and filters.  No problems in 260+ hours.  Under the cowl, I ran the hoses through heat shielding used for race cars...

 

 Jeff - Baby Blue

 

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I see rather belatedly that the fabric co vered fuel hose is not recommended for installation.  Is this so?  

   

If so what is recommended?  What is the most durable stuff (for trigear)?  I plan to run on AVGAS.  

   

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wdaniell(at)etb.net.co
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Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 8:53 am Post subject: fuel hose

Ok ok I get it



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grahamsingleton(at)btinte
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Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 8:59 am Post subject: fuel hose

Bob

thanks for pointing that out, I learnt something new today!

Graham



rlborger wrote:

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		   Will,

 

 BTW, the teflon hose used in fuel systems MUST be carbon lined or the 

 static electricity generated by the fuel flowing through the line will 

 eventually burn tiny pin-hole leaks in the hose.

 

 

 Good building and great flying,

 Bob Borger

Graham Singleton
	




Tel: +441629820187

Mob: +447739582005

rehn(at)rockisland.com
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Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 9:21 am Post subject: fuel hose

Automotive fuel injection hose works well. It is  compatible with auto fuel and is very tough.Many others have used this including  myself. I believe Europa when it had its location in Florida used it when they  built up the quick build cockpit modules. Bob Berupe could confirm  this.

 Jerry

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topglock(at)cox.net
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Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 9:22 am Post subject: fuel hose

I run both.  No problems, yet.  The drag racing guys use the same hose with Avgas all the time, without problems...

 

 Jeff

 

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Is that avgas or mo gas – I understand it makes a differece   

          

   

From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Jeff B

   Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2007 10:51

   To: europa-list(at)matronics.com (europa-list(at)matronics.com)

   Subject: Re: FW: fuel hose   

   

    

Will,

   

 I used standard metal break line in the fuse and automotive fuel injection hose to make up the connections, firewall forward and to the pumps, valves and filters.  No problems in 260+ hours.  Under the cowl, I ran the hoses through heat shielding used for race cars...

   

 Jeff - Baby Blue

   

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I see rather belatedly that the fabric co vered fuel hose is not recommended for installation.  Is this so?   

    

If so what is recommended?  What is the most durable stuff (for trigear)?  I plan to run on AVGAS.   

    

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rehn(at)rockisland.com
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Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 9:24 am Post subject: fuel hose

How about teflon lined water hoses for high temp. Will pin holes form there 

as well?

Jerry

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rparigor(at)suffolk.lib.n
Guest

Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 9:59 am Post subject: fuel hose

Here is an article on static and teflon hose used in aircraft.



www.sacskyranch.com/statichose.htm



"How about teflon lined water hoses for high temp. Will pin holes form

there as well?"



I would use conductive teflon in airplanes if there is a reasonable flow

happening.



I will be using unlined teflon for the fuel side of differential pressure

sender on 914 and remote oil sender on same.



There will be little flow in these lines. 



Just a side note, I will fill the fuel line with 100LL, so when it turns

20 years old hopeful it is not all varnish.



Will also fill oil line with oil so when pressure happens there is not air

in there that will be squeezed and have water come out and do nothing good

to sender.



Ron Parigoris

johnwigney(at)alltel.net
Guest

Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 3:37 pm Post subject: Fuel Hose

Hi Will,



You are correct. The factory supplied fuel hose with fabric cover is not 

recommended. I have had 3 instances now where the hose has cracked under 

a hose clamp with resultant leak. With the fabric cover, a small leak is 

difficult to find since the fuel wicks into the cover and evaporates.



I have had no problems since I replaced mine with SAE 30R7 fuel hose 

designed for carburettor systems and which has mid-wall reinforcement. 

This hose is available in the US at stores such as NAPA or Autozone in 

1/4 in.(6.3 mm) and 5/16 in. (8 mm) sizes. I use 100LL Avgas.



Be aware that if you use auto fuel, the fuel can contain a wide range of 

aromatics, additives, etc. which can affect the hose life. Therefore, it 

would probably be wise to use 'fuel injection' SAE 30R9 hose which has 

an elastomer liner to minimise permeation and deterioration. See 

http://www.gates.com/common/downloads/files/Gates/brochure/TechTipsForm.pdf  

for more information. As you might expect, the SAE 30R9 hose is more 

expensive.



Cheers, John



N262WF, mono XS, 912S

Mooresville, North Carolina



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From: "William Daniell" <wdaniell(at)etb.net.co>

Subject: FW: fuel hose

I see rather belatedly that the fabric co vered fuel hose is not recommended

for installation.  Is this so?

If so what is recommended?  What is the most durable stuff (for trigear)?  I

plan to run on AVGAS. Will

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bberube(at)tampabay.rr.co
Guest

Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 3:47 pm Post subject: fuel hose

We did use the fuel injection hose exclusively on  the 914's due to higher fuel pressures but it does provide extra benefits being  compatible with all fuels, good abrasion resistance and ability to make small  radius without kinking.  Certainly aluminum lines are the industry standard  and preferable IMHO but require a bit of extra patience on installation.   Teflon lines are great but difficult to work with in tight places.   Choosing any of the above will make a safe and reliable fuel  system.

  

 Bob Berube

 Flight Crafters

 5048 Airport Rd.

 Zephyrhills, FL. 33542

 813 779-1156

 813 695-1120 cell

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ward.t(at)xtra.co.nz
Guest

Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 5:24 pm Post subject: Fuel Hose

I used Trident "Barrier Lined" Type A1 Marine Fuel Hose #365

Look at

http://www.tridentmarine.com/stage/fuel.htm



I had many problems  with the fabric covered Europa supplied fuel hose. Fuel 

smell number one!!



Trident "Barrier Lined" Type A1 Marine Fuel Hose #365

Trident Barrier Lined A1 Fuel Hose (Distribution, Return, Vent, and 

Transfer) for both gasoline (petrol) and diesel (including alcohol blends). 

Exceeds ABYC H-24 & H-33, SAE J1527, ISO 7840, & USCG Type A1; and is NMMA 

Type Accepted & CE certified. Built with best fuel, fire and age resistant 

formulation, 2 spiral reinforcement and unique "Barrier Liner" on inside 

surface of tube so fuel is not in direct contact with rubber. Provides 

extraordinary resistance to fuel permeation and aging, as well as fire, 

heat, cold, and ozone. Also good



Bend-ability.

5 YEAR WARRANTY



Cheers,



Tim



Tim Ward

12 Waiwetu Street,

Fendalton,

Christchurch, 8052

New Zealand



Ph +64 3 3515166

Mobile 021 0640221

ward.t(at)xtra.co.nz

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wdaniell(at)etb.net.co
Guest

Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 3:00 am Post subject: fuel hose

Is it compatible with AvGas as well?  

         

  

From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Rehn

 Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2007 12:21

 To: europa-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: FW: fuel hose  

  

     

Automotive fuel injection hose works well. It is compatible with auto fuel and is very tough.Many others have used this including myself. I believe Europa when it had its location in Florida used it when they built up the quick build cockpit modules. Bob Berupe could confirm this.  

    

Jerry  

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wdaniell(at)etb.net.co
Guest

Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 3:09 am Post subject: Fuel Hose

As usual the range of knowledge astounds me 



Thanks everyone.



Will



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wdaniell(at)etb.net.co
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Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 3:12 am Post subject: Fuel Hose

Tim is this significantly heavier than ac stuff?

Will



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