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Mark Phillips in TN

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 431
Location: Columbia, TN

Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 6:01 pm Post subject: Major new product announcement from Vans

In a message dated 07/14/2006 8:00:11 PM Central Daylight Time, jhstarn(at)verizon.net writes:

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		  NOT the RV-12. Yea Right. 	


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 Yeah, John- just like the -7/7A didn't exist right up to the day my -6A went from best-seller to "obsolete"!      

  

 Remember when kit parts started showing up with "PP" in the part #?  My guess is that "PD" will be announced (pre-dimpled) or even "PR" (pre-riveted).  Or maybe not- Van's calls that a "Quickbuild"!  Looks like a visit to the booth is in the near future...

  

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finn.lassen(at)verizon.ne
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Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 8:50 pm Post subject: Major new product announcement from Vans

OK, I just can't sit on it.



It's a 180 HP $10,000 firewall forward package from Real World 

Solutions, based on the Mazda RX-8 13-B rotary, complete with engine 

monitoring and data logging.



Finn

(don't say you heard it from me)



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czechsix(at)juno.com wrote:



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		   Guys,



 I just got the most recent copy of the RVator and it says that Vans 

 will be announcing a major new product at Oshkosh, one which they have 

 expended considerable effort on over the past year and it is NOT the 

 RV-12.  Any guesses or rumors as to what it might be?

sportav8r(at)aol.com
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Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 4:31 am Post subject: Major new product announcement from Vans

Sorry, it's a light twin.  But if you want a second opinion, I'll say a rigid airship with prepunched aluminum inner skeleton. 

    

   BTW, why are there no homebuilt blimps flying?  Can't be that hard with modern envelope materials, and a single seater would be way cool 

    

   -Stormy

    

  

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Hopperdhh(at)aol.com
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Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 9:33 am Post subject: Major new product announcement from Vans

I'll guess its air bags to deploy in a crash -- like automobiles  have.  Ken Kruger mentioned last year at OSH that he thought it would  be a good idea.  I disagreed at the time, but have been thinking about it  since then.  Maybe it is a good idea.

  

 Dan Hopper

 RV-7A

  

  

 In a message dated 7/14/2006 2:35:53 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  michele.delsol(at)microsigma.fr writes:

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I suggested it could    be a parachute attachment to the fuelage.   

    

Michele   

RV8 -    Fuselage

klwerner(at)comcast.net
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Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 9:45 am Post subject: Major new product announcement from Vans

Dan,

  

 Why would an airbag be a bad idea to save your  bacon in case you meet the ground in a unexpected way? Just  curious.

  

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Hopperdhh(at)aol.com
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Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 10:11 am Post subject: Major new product announcement from Vans

Hi Konrad,

  

 The first idea that came to my mind when Ken mentioned air bags came  from my Stock Car racing days.  A good seat belt and harness performs the  same function in a car without any extra explosives, etc.  The trouble with  the airplane is that there is nothing strong enough to anchor the harness  to.  Even the cockpit itself is not all that strong.  There was an  RV-9 at the Sun-n-Fun fly mart a year and a half ago that had both longerons  broken just behind the cockpit.  This is why I have changed my thinking  about air bags in airplanes.

  

 With air bags there is the risk of false deployment.  The sensor  system is critical.  Its not as easy as it first appears.  But, it  seems like air bags could be worthwhile.

  

 As pilots we tend to think that 10 G's is a big number.  In a crash  you have to think in terms of 30 or more G's, but for only a short time.   Humans can deal with that with no injury if it is spread over some reasonable  area of the body.

  

 Dan

  

  

 In a message dated 7/15/2006 1:46:57 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  klwerner(at)comcast.net writes:

 [quote]   Dan,

    

   Why would an airbag be a bad idea to save your    bacon in case you meet the ground in a unexpected way? Just    curious.

    

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jhstarn(at)verizon.net
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Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 11:31 am Post subject: Major new product announcement from Vans

Is that because there is so much  "extra" room for them in the panel ?.

 Do Not Archive  KABONG (upside  down in an RV-6A 3 weeks ago) 

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rv8ch

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 250
Location: Switzerland

Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 12:05 pm Post subject: Major new product announcement from Vans

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		   I'll guess its air bags to deploy in a crash -- like automobiles have.  

 Ken Kruger mentioned last year at OSH that he thought it would be a good 

 idea.  I disagreed at the time, but have been thinking about it since 

 then.  Maybe it is a good idea.


	


That would be a great announcement, and I would probably install them.



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Mickey Coggins

http://www.rv8.ch/

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Hopperdhh(at)aol.com
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Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 12:05 pm Post subject: Major new product announcement from Vans

In a message dated 7/15/2006 3:32:47 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  jhstarn(at)verizon.net writes:

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		     Is that because there is so much    "extra" room for them in the panel ?.

   Do Not Archive  KABONG (upside    down in an RV-6A 3 weeks ago) 

	


 

 I wonder about that aspect of it too!

  

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 Dan

klwerner(at)comcast.net
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Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 12:22 pm Post subject: Major new product announcement from Vans

Don't worry about panel space, as you wear the ABV  (Air-Bag-Vest) on yourself instead of the aeroplane!  After all "you" is what it is supposed to protect  in the first place and that way it is always focused on '"you".   And like a handheld radio, it can move with you to  different airplanes too. Clever 'eh?

  

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Terry Watson

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 290
Location: Seattle, WA USA

Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 12:38 pm Post subject: Major new product announcement from Vans

I read somewhere about airbags that are a part of the shoulder harness. The

one I read about was for a single strap shoulder harness, such as in a

Cessna. I think they were to be an option on some certified aircraft.



Terry






 	  Quote: 	
		   I'll guess its air bags to deploy in a crash -- like automobiles have.  

 Ken Kruger mentioned last year at OSH that he thought it would be a good 

 idea.  I disagreed at the time, but have been thinking about it since 

 then.  Maybe it is a good idea.


	


That would be a great announcement, and I would probably install them.



-- 

Mickey Coggins

http://www.rv8.ch/

#82007 finishing

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khorton01(at)rogers.com
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Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 1:32 pm Post subject: Major new product announcement from Vans

I hope the air bag would mount up high enough so there was no chance  

of it pushing the stick forward if it fired off in the air.   

Otherwise a spurious firing could cause structural failure.  I'm not  

a big fan of electrically commanded systems with single point  

failures that cause a catastrophic event.

Kevin Horton

On 15 Jul 2006, at 16:36, Terry Watson wrote:

 	  Quote: 	

 I read somewhere about airbags that are a part of the shoulder  

 harness. The

 one I read about was for a single strap shoulder harness, such as in a

 Cessna. I think they were to be an option on some certified aircraft.

 Terry

> I'll guess its air bags to deploy in a crash -- like automobiles  

> have.

> Ken Kruger mentioned last year at OSH that he thought it would be  

> a good

> idea.  I disagreed at the time, but have been thinking about it since

> then.  Maybe it is a good idea.

 That would be a great announcement, and I would probably install them.

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 Mickey Coggins

Bob Perkinson

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 51
Location: Hendersonville, Tennessee

Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 2:03 pm Post subject: Major new product announcement from Vans

Don't know about air bags or oleo strut nose gears.  What I would want for

OSH is a fully developed slider canopy system that just rivets on and fits.

That would sure make  fuselage life much easier.



DO NOT ARCHIVE

Bob Perkinson

Hendersonville, TN.

RV9 N658RP Reserved

If nothing changes

Nothing changes





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T.gummo(at)verizon.net
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Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 4:24 pm Post subject: Major new product announcement from Vans

Jack you forgot the picture.

  

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jhstarn(at)verizon.net
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Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 7:50 pm Post subject: Major new product announcement from Vans

Yo Kevin..wonder what would happed to the canopy if the air bag went off in 

flight....HMMMMMMMMMMMM   JACK    Do Not Archive

Why yes, Kevin & I are on a first name basis. I don't drink beer, and he 

doesn't drink his cold.    8*)

KABONG



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klwerner(at)comcast.net
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Posted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 6:51 am Post subject: Major new product announcement from Vans

OR

 ....just before you hit Terra Firma,  certainly do not forget to turn the Airbag Master Switch on, so it can activate  at impact...

  

 And I don't think Vans new Product is  a bag full of air.

  

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3edcft6(at)cox.net
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Posted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 8:47 am Post subject: Major new product announcement from Vans

sportav8r(at)aol.com wrote:



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		   BTW, why are there no homebuilt blimps flying?  Can't be that hard 

 with modern envelope materials, and a single seater would be way cool 


	




I think single place homebuilt blimp would be pretty cool too.  My 

question is, wouldn't a blimp like that still require a VERY large 

hangar?  That may be why no one has kits for one.  Surely you would have 

to keep it in a hangar.  Can anyone calculate how many cubic feet of 

helium you would need to float an airship that was say 1000 lbs "take 

off" weight?   That 1000 lbs is, of course, just a wild guess, I have no 

idea how heavy such a contraption would be.



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cjensen(at)dts9000.com
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Posted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 10:21 am Post subject: Major new product announcement from Vans

Of course, if instead of helium in your blimp, you decided to use hot air, then you would have virtually an endless supply at most any airport---doesn't cost a thing and in most cases, you don't even have to ask for it.  It just keeps coming in an endless supply.  It should have excellent lifting power as it is very light-weight---having almost no substance to it at all.  

   

Chuck Jensen  

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rv7(at)b4.ca
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Posted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 11:06 am Post subject: Major new product announcement from Vans

On 11:20:05 2006-07-16 "Chuck Jensen" <cjensen(at)dts9000.com> wrote:

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		   Of course, if instead of helium in your blimp, you decided to use hot

 air, then you would have virtually an endless supply at most any

 airport---doesn't cost a thing and in most cases, you don't even have

 to ask for it.  It just keeps coming in an endless supply.  It should

 have excellent lifting power as it is very light-weight---having

 almost no substance to it at all.


	


If you could connect your blimp to the internet (maybe wirelessly?) this

list could provide enough hot air to keep you aloft for a while.  All you

have to do is ask about primer, deburring, nosewheel vs. tailwheel, or

slider vs. tip-up canopies.



Or just reply to a post like this one... 



-Rob



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3edcft6(at)cox.net
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Posted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 11:34 am Post subject: Major new product announcement from Vans

I (Chris W) wrote:



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		   I think single place homebuilt blimp would be pretty cool too.  My 

 question is, wouldn't a blimp like that still require a VERY large 

 hangar?  That may be why no one has kits for one.  Surely you would 

 have to keep it in a hangar.  Can anyone calculate how many cubic feet 

 of helium you would need to float an airship that was say 1000 lbs 

 "take off" weight?   That 1000 lbs is, of course, just a wild guess, I 

 have no idea how heavy such a contraption would be.


	


To answer my own question, I did a little googleing on the density of 

air and helium, and a little calculating and came up with 14,562 cubic 

feet needed to make 1000 lbs float in air.  So if your blimp were 18 

feet in diameter and 57 feet long that would do it.  The 18 ft diameter 

(which doesn't include the cockpit) will not allow it to fit in a 

typical hangar small plane hangar.



If anyone really cares how I came up with my 14,562 cubic feet number, I 

would be happy to post it.



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KE5GIX

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