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rleffler

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Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 3:44 pm Post subject: How rediculous is this?!

Tim,



I'm curious as to why you switched to Voyager?



Bob

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Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 4:07 pm Post subject: How rediculous is this?!

They already have this and it is about $100 per year and is spiral

bound. I have flown with them for the past two years and love them, as

they also include the updates for the year to keep you legal



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Tim Olson

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
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Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 4:24 pm Post subject: How rediculous is this?!

Actually, I'm in process doing a big write-up as to the comparisons

between them, and it's not really a simple answer.  Without

seeing the details, it's hard to really compare, but here's a

brief synopsis.



Voyager offers more in the flight planning arena, at a good price,

and has some very cool multi-pc integrations.  They also include

fuel price planning, and lots of great things for the flight.

If you just want to be legal and have the charts you need, their

IFR package gave more charts, at a better annual subscription rate.

The interface is a lot more complex, and messy though, and not

nearly as pretty, and I can see that in flight, it won't be as

simple to use today.



Chart Case Express (or Pro) is a great system, with a great

flight planner (free in the case of Golden Eagle Flight Prep).

It's got good graphics, and great general planning features, and

is very clean.  For in-flight use, it would blow away Voyager,

but at a cost. Chart Case Express uses all geo-referenced charts,

so you always can get your position plotted on the chart, and it

works fantastically well, and would be great in hard IFR even

in some turbulence.  Voyager, not so much.



I ended up upgrading my purchase of Voyager to the EFB version,

which still costs less than Chart Case Express, but is closer

in price.  That gives GPS tracking and geo-referenced approaches.

The sad part was, Voyager "IFR" didn't include any GPS functionality,

whereas Chart Case Express didn't OFFER anything less than full

functionality.



In the end it came down to long-term costs.  I have an EFIS that

I already have a good flight director and Jepp database in, so

charts, while necessary, aren't used all that heavily.  Voyager

has a cheaper annual subscription, with more charts offered.

They just aren't all geo-referenced charts, unfortunately.

What really did Chart Case in for me though was seeing it from

a new purchase point of view, when a fellow builder was shopping

at OSH.  The entry cost was much higher with C.C.Express, because

they only included 4 weeks of chart updates.  Voyager included

the whole first year.  Then, year #2, the new purchaser could

look forward to maybe $125 or more EXTRA per year to continue

with Chart Case.  My subscription, being a renewal, was cheaper

by a lot, since I started last year.  But for a new buyer, it

was hard to swallow.  So for me, I saved only a very little

bit of money, but switched software this year, and will

save on charts every year.



What's the downside?  Well, I now have a very full featured but

less pretty flight planner, that has a little less ease of

use in-flight.  To me, the ideal product would be the marriage

of the two companies, at the voyager price....but that probably

won't happen.  Voyager will probably improve over time though,

but once a company raises it's prices on subscriptions, it

doesn't drop them easily, so in the long run I hope I benefit.

I'll really miss the ease of use of Chart Case Express in flight,

but luckily for me, I really wasn't as reliant on the tablet

as some users would be in the first place.



Wow, for the short version, that took a lot of time. 



For a preview of what I hope to complete some day, here's

what I have done so far:

http://www.myrv10.com/tips/IFR/Chart_Software.html

Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying

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Bob Leffler wrote:

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 Tim,

 

 I'm curious as to why you switched to Voyager?

 

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Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 6:28 pm Post subject: How rediculous is this?!

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Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 5:01 pm Post subject: How rediculous is this?!

Sheesh ..... 4 days after you send the email, it finally arrives.  Not much better than the Postal Service!!!

 Tim Bryan wrote:

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Hi Linn,   

    

It came from the previous post.  I realize he didn’t mean it exactly so no flame was intended by me.  However for your comments, the idea of considering someone who buys an airplane, gets someone to check em out, and goes flying without ever getting a license; they are not pilots.  The idea of airplanes being piloted by “unskilled and untrained pilots” is scary to me and should not be happening as they are not pilots.  I realize non-pilots do get out there but building airplanes targeted at that audience however I don’t really think is happening.   

 	
 Not targeted ..... but there are builders out there that bought a kit and will try and fly it ..... without any training at all.  I've seen some rather comical attempts at flight by folks that built a lightplane (heavy ultralight) and decided to go fly .... probably after extensive sessions with Flight Simulator.  	  Quote: 	
		        

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pilots who are trained and skilled.   

 	
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  Now the level of skill and training certainly varies and may be what he was referring to.   

 	
 Could have been.  I've seen both critters ..... wanna be builders and wanna be pilots. 

  I just hope I'm not in either category!!!   

 Linn

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Tim Bryan wrote:

   

            

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Does this make any sense?   

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Yup.  Don't know where that quote came from, but there are a lot of 'em out there ..... giving the rest of us a bad name.   You can buy an airplane, get someone to 'check you out' and go fly without ever having to get your license.  Not a good recipe for a long life,  but they're out there.  Be afraid, really afraid.

 Linn

   

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