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tim.weert(at)hccnet.nl
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Posted: Fri May 19, 2006 1:25 am Post subject: Steel nose wheel springs

Hi Bill,



Durig testing the springs in my bird, I discovered that the right spring 

touches the rod between the springs. In concert with Nico I placed a piece 

of nylon between the spring and the rod. By using two mirror springs you are 

able to place both springs at exactly the same place, but in mirror 

configuration. Due to this the forces on all parts are equally devided in 

the nosegear structure. Than this problem is solved.



Regards, Tim.



Heerhugowaard, The Netherlands.

#460 PH-JAI XS TG 914 AP332



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g-iani(at)ntlworld.com
Guest

Posted: Fri May 19, 2006 2:03 am Post subject: Steel nose wheel springs

I hope the following will clarify the situation regarding the Nose wheel

springs.



1)  The factory mod 71 is based on my mod application (No 11698) which

is a "standard mod".  This would normally be available via the PFA web

site but this link is not working yet.  If anyone wants a copy of this

for information I will be pleased to provide it.  This mod is flying in

G-IANI and we have so far done 55 landings on them.



2)  As Europa(2004) has decided to adopt them as a standard option they

have deco me Factory Mod 71.  Documentation for Mod 71 is being prepared

(and will be available on the Europa site) but will not be completed for

a few days.  This time is needed to 1) document in Europa house style

(rather than PFA "burocratic") 2) To revise the installation photographs

3) to incorporate some useful installation tips we have found from

fitting a number of pairs.  



3) The mod (both 11698 and 71) is based on UK made springs (the part

numbers are specified in the application).  These spring have the same

basic specification as the Dutch springs.  Changes have been made to

make fitting easier and to give a more precise fit to the top tube.  The

two springs are also wound in opposite directions.  The cost of the more

precise jig needed to make the springs is made possible by the ability

to order a significant quantity.



4) The Factory is taking orders for the spring.  A sample from the first

batch arrived today so that dimensions, tensions and quality can be

checked.



5) Sorry but I am not party to the price.  Europa still have to finalise

this.  Every effort has been made to keep costs as reasonable as

possible (but Europa does have to pay VAT).  It is also worth noting

that the cost of mailing a single pair to the US from the UK is greater

than the cost of the springs.

Ian Rickard  #505 G-IANI XS Trigear

Europa Club Mods Rep (Trigear)

e-mail mods(at)europaclub.org.uk   

   or direct g-iani(at)ntlworld.com

nt.groot(at)quicknet.nl
Guest

Posted: Fri May 19, 2006 3:22 am Post subject: Steel nose wheel springs

I think, this mod is base don my idea and my pioneering.

Perhaps it will be a good idea too call my name by this mod.

With regards, Nico Groot.



-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----

Van: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com

[mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] Namens G-IANI

Verzonden: vrijdag 19 mei 2006 12:02

Aan: europa-list(at)matronics.com

Onderwerp: RE: Steel nose wheel springs




I hope the following will clarify the situation regarding the Nose wheel

springs.



1)  The factory mod 71 is based on my mod application (No 11698) which

is a "standard mod".  This would normally be available via the PFA web

site but this link is not working yet.  If anyone wants a copy of this

for information I will be pleased to provide it.  This mod is flying in

G-IANI and we have so far done 55 landings on them.



2)  As Europa(2004) has decided to adopt them as a standard option they

have deco me Factory Mod 71.  Documentation for Mod 71 is being prepared

(and will be available on the Europa site) but will not be completed for

a few days.  This time is needed to 1) document in Europa house style

(rather than PFA "burocratic") 2) To revise the installation photographs

3) to incorporate some useful installation tips we have found from

fitting a number of pairs.  



3) The mod (both 11698 and 71) is based on UK made springs (the part

numbers are specified in the application).  These spring have the same

basic specification as the Dutch springs.  Changes have been made to

make fitting easier and to give a more precise fit to the top tube.  The

two springs are also wound in opposite directions.  The cost of the more

precise jig needed to make the springs is made possible by the ability

to order a significant quantity.



4) The Factory is taking orders for the spring.  A sample from the first

batch arrived today so that dimensions, tensions and quality can be

checked.



5) Sorry but I am not party to the price.  Europa still have to finalise

this.  Every effort has been made to keep costs as reasonable as

possible (but Europa does have to pay VAT).  It is also worth noting

that the cost of mailing a single pair to the US from the UK is greater

than the cost of the springs.

Ian Rickard  #505 G-IANI XS Trigear

Europa Club Mods Rep (Trigear)

e-mail mods(at)europaclub.org.uk   

   or direct g-iani(at)ntlworld.com

ptag.dev(at)tiscali.co.uk
Guest

Posted: Fri May 19, 2006 4:26 am Post subject: Steel nose wheel springs

Yes. Nico 

IMHO it is past time you were recognised about this issue.........when

everyone else has finished "scratching everyone else's back"!

No one seems to recognise the time and effort of the guy who actually

conceives the concept......I recall similar effects over my position on

the blessed Mod. 70 and continued use of turnbuckles.

Everyone is content to "cut up the cake" be it finance or "compliments"

and forget the guy who did the "baking"! 

I for one will compliment you on sticking to your determination over the

production of this spring concept and having once suffering a severed

bungee due to the bump stop cutting it on a heavy landing I consider

your development to be very constructive. 

BTW folks should notice that I haven't had any bungee fraying since I

turned my bump stop the other way up, since it was an item of

considerable derision and denial when I suggested the concept.

It is possible that fraying being noticed is in fact being caused by the

head of the bump stop passing through the "lays" of the tight bungee

since it has to move by the same distance as the nose leg (being part of

it).

It certainly was in my case.

 

Regards 

Bob Harrison G-PTAG Europa MKI/Jabiru 3300

 

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josok-e(at)ukolo.fi
Guest

Posted: Fri May 19, 2006 4:50 am Post subject: Steel nose wheel springs

Great thinking Mr N. T. Groot.

Let's call it Mod the Great, to remind ourselves to the Greatest of the  

modest people.

People never stop to surprise me.



KInd regards,



Jos Okhuijsen

junkaddress05(at)yahoo.co
Guest

Posted: Sat May 20, 2006 7:48 am Post subject: Steel nose wheel springs

Thanks Tim, 



I knew there must be a good reason, and I imagined it must be something along those lines but I am surprised it makes a difference and I would never have guessed in advance. 

I'm grateful you have saved me finding out the hard way!

Best wishes



Bill 



Time: 02:25:13 AM PST US

From: 

Subject: Re: Steel nose wheel springs






Hi Bill,



Durig testing the springs in my bird, I discovered that the right spring 

touches the rod between the springs. In concert with Nico I placed a piece 

of nylon between the spring and the rod. By using two mirror springs you are 

able to place both springs at exactly the same place, but in mirror 

configuration. Due to this the forces on all parts are equally devided in 

the nosegear structure. Than this problem is solved.



Regards, Tim.



Heerhugowaard, The Netherlands.

#460 PH-JAI XS TG 914 AP332



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rowil(at)clara.net
Guest

Posted: Sat May 20, 2006 2:36 pm Post subject: Steel nose wheel springs

At 2006-05-19 15:48 +0300 Jos Okhuijsen wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		  Let's call it Mod the Great


	


Hey, Jos, steady on there! No need to poke anyone in the eye with a stick!



I don't see why, as the originator of the idea, Nico shouldn't claim 

credit for his baby.



I think he was just responding to a bit of confusion about the common 

name for the mod. Compare with the situation if I asked anyone here 

whether they had incorporated PFA mod 10371 - I'd probably get blank 

looks - but if I asked whether they had a Singleton rudder drive most 

people would get the point straight away!



regards



Rowland

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josok-e(at)ukolo.fi
Guest

Posted: Sat May 20, 2006 10:58 pm Post subject: Steel nose wheel springs

Sorry Rowland and possible others,

It was a flame and off-topic. I was too fast in hitting the reply button.



Kind Regards,



Jos Okhuijsen



workshopcam http://www.okhuijsen.org/plane

http:www.europaowners.org/kit600

mono xs, top on, gear in, tail wheel in, wings set, flapdrive in, tail  

closed, tailwheel in, tail top in, blue stuff filled, sanded and primed,  

fuel system in, doors done, windows in, sanding and filling the fuse and  

wings.

alan(at)kestrel-insurance
Guest

Posted: Sun May 21, 2006 10:07 am Post subject: Steel nose wheel springs

Hello Jac



I would like a set also if you have any left please



Kind Regards



Alan

alan(at)kestrel-insurance.com



 	  Quote: 	
		   



 Jac van Heeswijk wrote:



> The Factory Tech Talk page in the March edition of the

> Europa Flyer = describes the substitution of the nose

> leg bungee by two metal springs. = This modification

> was initiated in the Netherlands by Nico Groot and in 

>  the meantime several dutch builders have applied it in

> their trigears. = These springs were developed and made

> by the same dutch factory and they = were also used by

> Ian Rickard in his PFA approved mod nr. 71.

> Might any builder want a set of these springs for

> immediate delivery, I = have ordered 10 pairs at the

> factory in order to save on machine = installation

> expenses. This way I have now 6 pairs left at the cost

> = price of 100,00 Euro (GBP 67,00 - US$ 125,00) a pair

> plus shipment = (priority shipment to Canada was 30

> Euro last week, USA will be about = the same, England

> ??).



> I don't want to make a profit, just maybe an investment

> in some = prospective friends. One of these days I will

> be shipping some pairs to = England (Lincolnshire). For

> 3 or 4 people this is a chance to get a pair = without

> delay at a cheap price. First in first out. If somebody

> is = interested let him take contact with me. Email

> works best!

 I would like a pair. How can I pay you ? Maybe a dual ship

 with someone else here in England.



 Anyways I want to get on the list



 Thanks



 Richard Holder

 G-OWWW High Cross

 +44 (0) 1279 842804

alan(at)kestrel-insurance
Guest

Posted: Sun May 21, 2006 10:07 am Post subject: Steel nose wheel springs

Tim please add me to the list as I also want a set



Alan

alan(at)kestrel-insurance.com

[quote] 



 Hi Gentlemen,



 I live very close to that Dutch factory. It would be wise to make a big

 list, as long as possible and order all springs together. I arranged 10

 pairs for Jac van Heeswijk and payed them cash, so I didn't have to pay

 VAT.

 The price was about 82 Euros a pair. Jac has already supported them all to

 his Europa friends

 The more you order, the cheaper they will be because the cost isn't the

 material (stainless steel) but the "settings" of the machinery. 20 pair of

 springs will cost less than 10 and 50 les than 20. The only point is that

 I

 have to pay those guys cash to avoid taxes. I don't know what the prices

 are

 to sent it to other countries, but if you arrange mogas in the uk for me I

 can also fly them to the UK for you (Not to far from the channel crossing)

 for you in my Europa. That's a lot cheaper for a large number of springs

 toghether ans you have also the opportunity to see how it is fitted in my

 bird. The max load in the Europa is 40 kg, so I can carry +/- 40 piars of

 springs in one trip in my hold, if it should be more I can find other

 Dutch

 Europa friends to join me with their birds......



 Regards, Tim.



 Heerhugowaard, The Netherlands

 PH-JAI #460 XS TG 914 AP332





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tim.weert(at)hccnet.nl
Guest

Posted: Mon May 22, 2006 2:53 am Post subject: Steel nose wheel springs

Hi Alan,



It is only interesting for if I can order a big amount of springs. I

discovered Europa 2004 is now also delivering the springs. May be it is wise

to order them via Europa 2004 because I don't have a list of people who are

interested in the Dutch Stainless steel springs jet.



Regards, Tim.



Heerhugowaard, The Netherlands

PH-JAI #460 XS TG 914 AP332



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