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Lynn Matteson
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Just make sure that the rod ends still have sufficient thread
engagement, Pat. I'm sure you know this, but a good idea to remind
you and others not to just lengthen them without regard to how many
threads are still engaged.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 820.8 hrs
Countdown to 1000 hrs~179 to go
Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Rotec TBI-40 injection
Status: flying (and learning)
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On Dec 6, 2009, at 5:35 PM, Patrick Reilly wrote:
| Quote: | Ken, I was at the hangar today. I pulled out the seat, extended the
pushrod under the seat by about 1/4" using the rod end adjustments.
Low and behold full alieron left and right has only between 1 to 2
degrees of difference. They originally had 10 degrees difference.
Seems close enough to me. I didn't look at the manual to see if I
might have the pages you cited. I will.
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford, IL
On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 9:22 PM, kenjrichter
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Pat, I looked through my manual and I do have some info on flaperon
rigging on page cf-18 it shows (flaperon neutral position rigging
details) this page doesn't say which model it is but the figure
looks like a model 3 wing and then on page cf-n-1 it has flaperon
rigging instructions but its says model 4 on that page so this
probably won't help you,my manual has different model numbers
throughout the book not sure why this is.
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Pat Reilly
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| Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 8:01 am Post subject: kitfox 3 |
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Lynn, Don't ever hesitate to remind or caution me about something. Two, three, four.......heads are better than one. The rod ends have inspection holes thru them and I made sure I still had plenty of threads engaged. It was kind of odd though. The one end has about 1/4" more threads than the other.
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford, IL
On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 8:41 AM, Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt(at)jps.net (lynnmatt(at)jps.net)> wrote:
[quote] --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt(at)jps.net (lynnmatt(at)jps.net)>
Just make sure that the rod ends still have sufficient thread engagement, Pat. I'm sure you know this, but a good idea to remind you and others not to just lengthen them without regard to how many threads are still engaged.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 820.8 hrs
Countdown to 1000 hrs~179 to go
Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Rotec TBI-40 injection
Status: flying (and learning)
do not archive
On Dec 6, 2009, at 5:35 PM, Patrick Reilly wrote:
[quote]Ken, I was at the hangar today. I pulled out the seat, extended the pushrod under the seat by about 1/4" using the rod end adjustments. Low and behold full alieron left and right has only between 1 to 2 degrees of difference. They originally had 10 degrees difference. Seems close enough to me. I didn't look at the manual to see if I might have the pages you cited. I will.
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford, IL
On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 9:22 PM, kenjrichter <kenrichter(at)centurytel.net (kenrichter(at)centurytel.net)> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kenjrichter" <kenrichter(at)centurytel.net (kenrichter(at)centurytel.net)>
Pat, I looked through my manual and I do have some info on flaperon rigging on page cf-18 it shows (flaperon neutral position rigging details) this page doesn't say which model it is but the figure looks like a model 3 wing and then on page cf-n-1 it has flaperon rigging instructions but its says model 4 on that page so this probably won't help you,my manual has different model numbers throughout the book not sure why this is.
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| Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 8:09 am Post subject: kitfox 3 |
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Ken, Thanks. Good luck with your test flights.
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford, IL
On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 9:17 PM, kenjrichter <kenrichter(at)centurytel.net (kenrichter(at)centurytel.net)> wrote:
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Pat, I'm glad you got it figured out if for some reason you do need some info from my manual I can fax it or copy and mail it to you, I've never really checked mine for travel it seems the flaperons have so much more authority than standard ailerons that you would probably never use full travel anyway but its good to have it set up right, I'm waiting to fly my plane with the new leading edge installed I have it ready now I just need time and weather to fly.
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Yep. Gap seals went on before the first flight so it's all I've ever known. Still, at landing speed (dead stick) it's nearly impossible to get tailwheel to touch first. The 2 doesn't stall, rather it mushes, so eliminating that embarrasing bounce (or bounces) was a challenge early-on. I do alot of wheel landings.
I suppose back-side of power curve I could get that tailwheel down but I haven't tried that yet. So, this thread about VG's on the horizontal stablilized has me intrigued.
Marco Menezes N99KX
Model 2 582-90 C-Box 3:1 w/clutch
--- On Fri, 12/4/09, Patrick Reilly <patreilly43(at)gmail.com> wrote:
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From: Patrick Reilly <patreilly43(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Re: kitfox 3
To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
Date: Friday, December 4, 2009, 6:18 PM
Marco, Have you got gap seals on that elevator? Hey guys, got my airworthy cert. today. The inspector noticed my flaperons aren't rigged properly. Right one doesn't go up as far as left one. I measured it there is a 10 degree difference. I'll have to adjust the rigging. I have to admit I haden't measured it. I put the bell crank level and hooked them up. I must have changed something when I replaced the bent push rod under the seat.
Pat Reilly
mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford, IL
On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 11:18 AM, Marco Menezes <msm_9949(at)yahoo.com (msm_9949(at)yahoo.com)> wrote:
| Quote: | Elevator authority is definitely an issue with the Model 2. Has anyone ever tried a larger elevator on the 2 and, if so, to what effect?
Marco Menezes N99KX
Model 2 582-90 C-Box 3:1 w/clutch
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Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: kitfox 3
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I tried them I think an inch or two ahead of the hinge line parallel to the hinges. They did little for my IV . I have found they help alot on super cubs. The model 2 has less elevator effectiveness than a model IV so I would think they would see more benefit.
I think you guys should post some videos of how much better they work. I don't think a model 2 will be able to drag the tailwheel down the runway. My Model IV is marginal at doing it .
VG's do seem to have a few attributes. I have had them on my IV Kitfox for over 1000 hours and I have not removed them yet. I would like to alter some of the spacing and placement but it flys so damn well I just don't find it high on the priorities.
[quote="Fox5flyer"]Mike, how far back from the leading edge did you place them? Did you place them horizontal to the hinge line or did you follow the leading edge line?
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