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lownslow

Joined: 19 May 2013
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Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2013 3:07 pm Post subject: Introducing myself--help needed.

Hi friends, I am the recent new owner of a Mk IIIC project that I am in the process of completing, so I want to introduce myself to this list and say hi!  I am in Colorado Springs and am installing a Rotax Rick 670 due to the higher field elevations out here.  (I was very interested in the post I just read on the 670, posted earlier this month).  Being a newbie, I feel I have lot's to learn, and remain very "teachable".  I hope to have the project flying within the next 3 to 6 months.  



22 years of Air Force flying, laid it to rest for a number of years and now have the itch again!  I'm excited about the aircraft and about the community that I find here.  Seems everyone is really enjoying the flying and the commeraderie. 



How many of you are flying Kolbs in the mountains--just curious what advice you may have.



Has anyone put together a POH of sorts?  I am unaware of anything available through Kolb, but maybe I'm wrong about that?  (I'm guessing most people put something together as a result of their Phase I test period but it would be nice to have a starting point.)



The critical question:  I have most photos from the previous owner builder's log but he was unable to locate pictures of the early construction of the cage and tail boom.  I'm wondering if it might be possible to replace those with some generic pictures to complete my builder's log.  My aircraft has a white painted cage structure.  I would be very grateful.



thanks so much



Mike

rowedenny

Joined: 09 Mar 2008
Posts: 338
Location: Western PA

Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2013 3:37 pm Post subject: Introducing myself--help needed.

Welcome aboard Mike,

Will be interested in following your progress on your Mk 3. Also look forward to learning more about your engine installation. 

You will want to get some dual in a Mk-3 or a Kolbra to adjust yourself to the low inertia high drag world we Kolbers operate in. Our birds may be slow, but things happen fast in them.

Enjoy your project, and enjoy the list. If you check the archives we had a thread recently on the POH, I believe I posted pics of the front and back of the checklist sheet I made for my bird. Also got some solid suggestions for adjustments to it. If you can't find it, hopefully someone better at using the archives can dig it up. 



Dennis "Skid" Rowe

Mk3, 2SI690L-70, Leechburg, PA



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		   On Nov 27, 2013, at 6:07 PM, "lownslow" <mnmcouillard(at)yahoo.com> wrote:

 

 

 

 Hi friends, I am the recent new owner of a Mk IIIC project that I am in the process of completing, so I want to introduce myself to this list and say hi!  I am in Colorado Springs and am installing a Rotax Rick 670 due to the higher field elevations out here.  (I was very interested in the post I just read on the 670, posted earlier this month).  Being a newbie, I feel I have lot's to learn, and remain very "teachable".  I hope to have the project flying within the next 3 to 6 months.  

 

 22 years of Air Force flying, laid it to rest for a number of years and now have the itch again!  I'm excited about the aircraft and about the community that I find here.  Seems everyone is really enjoying the flying and the commeraderie. 

 

 How many of you are flying Kolbs in the mountains--just curious what advice you may have.

 

 Has anyone put together a POH of sorts?  I am unaware of anything available through Kolb, but maybe I'm wrong about that?  (I'm guessing most people put something together as a result of their Phase I test period but it would be nice to have a starting point.)

 

 The critical question:  I have most photos from the previous owner builder's log but he was unable to locate pictures of the early construction of the cage and tail boom.  I'm wondering if it might be possible to replace those with some generic pictures to complete my builder's log.  My aircraft has a white painted cage structure.  I would be very grateful.

 

 thanks so much

 

 Mike

 

 

 

 

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Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2013 7:37 pm Post subject: Introducing myself--help needed.

On 11/27/2013 5:07 PM, lownslow wrote:

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 Hi friends, I am the recent new owner of a Mk IIIC project that I am in the process of completing, so I want to introduce myself to this list and say hi!  I am in Colorado Springs and am installing a Rotax Rick 670 due to the higher field elevations out here.  (I was very interested in the post I just read on the 670, posted earlier this month).  Being a newbie, I feel I have lot's to learn, and remain very "teachable".  I hope to have the project flying within the next 3 to 6 months.



 22 years of Air Force flying, laid it to rest for a number of years and now have the itch again!  I'm excited about the aircraft and about the community that I find here.  Seems everyone is really enjoying the flying and the commeraderie.



 How many of you are flying Kolbs in the mountains--just curious what advice you may have.



 Has anyone put together a POH of sorts?  I am unaware of anything available through Kolb, but maybe I'm wrong about that?  (I'm guessing most people put something together as a result of their Phase I test period but it would be nice to have a starting point.)



 The critical question:  I have most photos from the previous owner builder's log but he was unable to locate pictures of the early construction of the cage and tail boom.  I'm wondering if it might be possible to replace those with some generic pictures to complete my builder's log.  My aircraft has a white painted cage structure.  I would be very grateful.



 thanks so much



 Mike

Did the previous builder keep notes during that phase of the build? Pics 
	


aren't required.

lownslow

Joined: 19 May 2013
Posts: 15

Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2013 9:21 pm Post subject: Re: Introducing myself--help needed.

wow, didn't know that.....



that's good news; the builder kept good notes in a word document that I was going to upload into kitlog pro, but I'm wondering if that's worth my time



thanks!

Richard Pike

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 1671
Location: Blountville, Tennessee

Posted: Thu Nov 28, 2013 5:06 am Post subject: Re: Introducing myself--help needed.

 	  lownslow wrote: 	
		  wow, didn't know that.....



that's good news; the builder kept good notes in a word document that I was going to upload into kitlog pro, but I'm wondering if that's worth my time



thanks! 	




If they are in Word, hit print and put them in a binder. That is more than enough documentation.

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Posted: Thu Nov 28, 2013 8:31 am Post subject: Introducing myself--help needed.

then on the other hand.....  I did not take notes,,,,   my builders log was 

photos only.....   I suppose that if the inspector wanted notes,,,  I could 

have put a caption at the bottom of each photo.   I had it inspected in my 

driveway,   and he could see the photos were indeed of the inside of my 

shop.   and the delivery of kits was indeed my driveway.    maybe I dodged a 

bullet.



boyd



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 The critical question:  I have most photos from the previous owner 

 builder's log but he was unable to locate pictures of the early 

 construction of the cage and tail boom.  I'm wondering if it might be 

 possible to replace those with some generic pictures to complete my 

 builder's log.  My aircraft has a white painted cage structure.  I would 

 be very grateful.



 thanks so much



 Mike

Did the previous builder keep notes during that phase of the build? Pics
	


aren't required.

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Posted: Thu Nov 28, 2013 2:56 pm Post subject: Introducing myself--help needed.

I don't have the rules in front of me, but it basically boils down to 

having documentation of some sort that the build was for education & 

recreation (as in: not for hire). The form it takes isn't specified. 

Some guys have only a web site; some have a book (or a disc) of photos, 

some have only shop notes. I've made notes with dates & time used in the 

margins of my RV-7 builder's manual (photos, too, but both aren't 

actually needed). The big deals are the 'not for hire' for over 50%, to 

get the airworthiness cert., and convincing the FAA (typically with your 

documentation) that you did enough of the work & understand the 

mechanics of the project well enough that they should issue you the 

repairman's certificate.

All this assumes that we're talking about Experimental Amateur Built in 

the USA.

Charlie

(BTW, that even applies to flight logs. On a recent flight review, the 

instructor asked if I'd logged x amount of time for a reason I now 

forget. I write times into a little spiral notebook that I keep in the 

plane, but had not updated my pilot's log for years. He said that as 

long as there's a record, the form doesn't matter.)

On 11/28/2013 10:31 AM, b young wrote:

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 then on the other hand.....  I did not take notes,,,,   my builders 

 log was photos only.....   I suppose that if the inspector wanted 

 notes,,,  I could have put a caption at the bottom of each photo.   I 

 had it inspected in my driveway,   and he could see the photos were 

 indeed of the inside of my shop. and the delivery of kits was indeed 

 my driveway.    maybe I dodged a bullet.

 boyd

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> The critical question:  I have most photos from the previous owner 

> builder's log but he was unable to locate pictures of the early 

> construction of the cage and tail boom.  I'm wondering if it might be 

> possible to replace those with some generic pictures to complete my 

> builder's log.  My aircraft has a white painted cage structure.  I 

> would be very grateful.

>

> thanks so much

>

> Mike

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lcottrell

Joined: 29 May 2006
Posts: 1494
Location: Jordan Valley, Or

Posted: Thu Nov 28, 2013 4:05 pm Post subject: Introducing myself--help needed.

I suppose that a lot of what is required depends on the examiner. It may have even changed since I had mine in for registration. I had a POH, he didn't even look at it or want it. Builders log was a similar nonevent. The fact that I had one was all he cared about. He was very interested in the safety factor of the build, and not much else. The anticipation of all that could go wrong was much much more than the actual fact. Perhaps you could find someone who had used the guy or the office where the inspection would take place, and get some idea of what to expect.  I would suspect that you are much harder on yourself than what the examiner will be. Mine was a paid examiner, not an actual FAA employee. 



Having all the above in mind I would be as prepared as I could be, but I wouldn't obsess over it.

Good Luck

Larry 



 On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 3:56 PM, Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com (ceengland7(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

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		   --> Kolb-List message posted by: Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com (ceengland7(at)gmail.com)>

 

 I don't have the rules in front of me, but it basically boils down to having documentation of some sort that the build was for education & recreation (as in: not for hire). The form it takes isn't specified. Some guys have only a web site; some have a book (or a disc) of photos, some have only shop notes. I've made notes with dates & time used in the margins of my RV-7 builder's manual (photos, too, but both aren't actually needed). The big deals are the 'not for hire' for over 50%, to get the airworthiness cert., and convincing the FAA (typically with your documentation) that you did enough of the work & understand the mechanics of the project well enough that they should issue you the repairman's certificate.

  

 All this assumes that we're talking about Experimental Amateur Built in the USA.

 

 Charlie

 (BTW, that even applies to flight logs. On a recent flight review, the instructor asked if I'd logged x amount of time for a reason I now forget. I write times into a little spiral notebook that I keep in the plane, but had not updated my pilot's log for years. He said that as long as there's a record, the form doesn't matter.)

  

 

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 then on the other hand.....  I did not take notes,,,,   my builders log was photos only.....   I suppose that if the inspector wanted notes,,,  I could have put a caption at the bottom of each photo.   I had it inspected in my driveway,   and he could see the photos were indeed of the inside of my shop. and the delivery of kits was indeed my driveway.    maybe I dodged a bullet.

  

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 The critical question:  I have most photos from the previous owner builder's log but he was unable to locate pictures of the early construction of the cage and tail boom.  I'm wondering if it might be possible to replace those with some generic pictures to complete my builder's log.  My aircraft has a white painted cage structure.  I would be very grateful.

  

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Posted: Thu Nov 28, 2013 4:56 pm Post subject: Introducing myself--help needed.

I have had the privelage of standing by when an airplane was inspected 

by an Faa employee....She simply said" did you build it?"  "Its 

experimental...so I guess you did?" "what is it called?"



  and with that...she did whatever paper work that was required....  The 

truth was...my bud had no builders log...for he had assembled the plane 

from two or three projects that he bought along the way...



   In another situation ..a friend bought a plane and  did some finish 

work...mostly  paint and instruments......The airline pilot Dar created 

some impossible tasks to make the plane certifiable...and after some 

months ...my bud found another Dar who signed it off in two hours...



   My impression is...that if the DAR's occupation depends on the good 

graces of the FAA...then give him a pass and shop for another ...Ask 

around , they are out there..Herb

On 11/28/2013 06:04 PM, Larry Cottrell wrote:

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		   I suppose that a lot of what is required depends on the examiner. It 

 may have even changed since I had mine in for registration. I had a 

 POH, he didn't even look at it or want it. Builders log was a similar 

 nonevent. The fact that I had one was all he cared about. He was very 

 interested in the safety factor of the build, and not much else. The 

 anticipation of all that could go wrong was much much more than the 

 actual fact. Perhaps you could find someone who had used the guy or 

 the office where the inspection would take place, and get some idea of 

 what to expect.  I would suspect that you are much harder on yourself 

 than what the examiner will be. Mine was a paid examiner, not an 

 actual FAA employee.



 Having all the above in mind I would be as prepared as I could be, but 

 I wouldn't obsess over it.



 Good Luck

 Larry

rickofudall

Joined: 19 Sep 2009
Posts: 1392
Location: Udall, KS, USA

Posted: Fri Nov 29, 2013 7:08 am Post subject: Introducing myself--help needed.

It must be my locality, being so close to the Air Capital of the World, but both the DAR I used for my trike, the Mk 3, and the Firestar, and the FAA inspector who did the Cumulus were all equally thorough. Since I was bringing previously built aircraft into the system under the LSA grandfathering clause of FAR 21.191(i)1 I didn't have to have a builder log, but they each spent about an hour going over the aircraft and another 30 minutes on the paperwork, so it appears the advice to shop around for a DAR is good. Since they charge upwards of $200 just to show up, I'd suggest contacting your local EAA chapter as well as other builders in your area to find a DAR who will give you a thorough inspection without getting hung up in subjective minutae. 



Rick Girard



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 I have had the privelage of standing by when an airplane was inspected by an Faa employee....She simply said" did you build it?"  "Its experimental...so I guess you did?" "what is it called?"

  

  and with that...she did whatever paper work that was required....  The truth was...my bud had no builders log...for he had assembled the plane from two or three projects that he bought along the way...

 

   In another situation ..a friend bought a plane and  did some finish work...mostly  paint and instruments......The airline pilot Dar created some impossible tasks to make the plane certifiable...and after some months ..my bud found another Dar who signed it off in two hours...

  

   My impression is...that if the DAR's occupation depends on the good graces of the FAA...then give him a pass and shop for another ...Ask around , they are out there..Herb

 

 

 On 11/28/2013 06:04 PM, Larry Cottrell wrote:

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		   I suppose that a lot of what is required depends on the examiner. It may have even changed since I had mine in for registration. I had a POH, he didn't even look at it or want it. Builders log was a similar nonevent. The fact that I had one was all he cared about. He was very interested in the safety factor of the build, and not much else. The anticipation of all that could go wrong was much much more than the actual fact. Perhaps you could find someone who had used the guy or the office where the inspection would take place, and get some idea of what to expect.  I would suspect that you are much harder on yourself than what the examiner will be. Mine was a paid examiner, not an actual FAA employee.

  

 Having all the above in mind I would be as prepared as I could be, but I wouldn't obsess over it.

 

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lownslow

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Posted: Fri Nov 29, 2013 9:58 am Post subject: Re: Introducing myself--help needed.

very helpful thread!  thanks for all the discussion!



Hope everyone had a great thanksgiving!



Mike

lownslow

Joined: 19 May 2013
Posts: 15

Posted: Fri Nov 29, 2013 10:34 am Post subject: Dual in a Kolb

Denny mentioned the wisdom in getting some dual in a Kolb, and I agree, a great idea.  Does anyone know of a Kolb close to Colorado where I might do that?  Or maybe catch someone at a Kolb flyin.  I need to find out when those happen.  Sun'n Fun would be ideal, but I was hoping to fly mine before then....



Thanks everyone!



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