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samira.h(at)shaw.ca
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Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2014 12:22 pm Post subject: B&C alternator question

since quite some time I am looking into a

reliable and approved alternator conversion

for the CJ.



Over the years I have read many postings

on this forum regarding different alternators

and their manufacturers and it seems B&C is

winning the race.



I guess many Nanchang owners like myself have

removed all the obsolete original radio and navigation

equipment and hence there is no more need for high

amp output generation.



So which one would be the better respectively the more

dependable solution, the B&C SK35 (35amps) or the B&C

SK50 (50amps), any pros and cons?



Your opinion on this matter is greatly appreciated.



Thank you in advance.



cheers



Elmar

jliltd

Joined: 26 Jun 2013
Posts: 20

Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2014 12:40 pm Post subject: B&C alternator question

My M14P has a Jasco alternator conversion.   Came that way when I bought my CJ.   Seems to do fine. 



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From: Elmar & Manuela  

Date:02/24/2014  1:21 PM  (GMT-07:00) 

To: yak-list(at)matronics.com 

Subject: Yak-List: B&C alternator question 

--> Yak-List message posted by: Elmar & Manuela <samira.h(at)shaw.ca>



since quite some time I am looking into a

reliable and approved alternator conversion

for the CJ.



Over the years I have read many postings

on this forum regarding different alternators

and their manufacturers and it seems B&C is

winning the race.



I guess many Nanchang owners like myself have

removed all the obsolete original radio and navigation

equipment and hence there is no more need for high

amp output generation.



So which one would be the better respectively the more

dependable solution, the B&C SK35 (35amps) or the B&C

SK50 (50amps), any pros and cons?



Your opinion on this matter is greatly appreciated.



Thank you in advance.



cheers



Elmar

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jackpot

Joined: 13 Jul 2010
Posts: 65
Location: Las Vegas, Nevada

Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2014 12:44 pm Post subject: B&C alternator question

Hi Elmar, Gary CJ N22YK her in LAS.  I have been running the B&C 35 amp for years, and have not had any problems with it or never wanted for for more amps. Have found it very sufficent.  Gary



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		   On Feb 24, 2014, at 12:21, Elmar & Manuela <samira.h(at)shaw.ca> wrote:

 

 

 

 since quite some time I am looking into a

 reliable and approved alternator conversion

 for the CJ.

 

 Over the years I have read many postings

 on this forum regarding different alternators

 and their manufacturers and it seems B&C is

 winning the race.

 

 I guess many Nanchang owners like myself have

 removed all the obsolete original radio and navigation

 equipment and hence there is no more need for high

 amp output generation.

 

 So which one would be the better respectively the more

 dependable solution, the B&C SK35 (35amps) or the B&C

 SK50 (50amps), any pros and cons?

 

 Your opinion on this matter is greatly appreciated.

 

 Thank you in advance.

 

 cheers

 

 Elmar

dougsappllc(at)gmail.com
Guest

Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2014 12:52 pm Post subject: B&C alternator question

Elmar,The 35 amp would be plenty for your use in the CJ.  However understand that you will need a M14P generator oil seal plate to complete the installation.  If you attempt to use the plate which is stock to your HS6A and has no oil seal, you will in a few hours destroy the new alternator due to drowning it in oil.

 

I do not have the seal plates in stock at this time.

Best,

Doug



On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 12:21 PM, Elmar & Manuela <samira.h(at)shaw.ca (samira.h(at)shaw.ca)> wrote:

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 since quite some time I am looking into a

 reliable and approved alternator conversion

 for the CJ.

 

 Over the years I have read many postings

 on this forum regarding different alternators

 and their manufacturers and it seems B&C is

 winning the race.

 

 I guess many Nanchang owners like myself have

 removed all the obsolete original radio and navigation

 equipment and hence there is no more need for high

 amp output generation.

 

 So which one would be the better respectively the more

 dependable solution, the B&C SK35 (35amps) or the B&C

 SK50 (50amps), any pros and cons?

 

 Your opinion on this matter is greatly appreciated.

 

 Thank you in advance.

 

 cheers

 

 Elmar

 

 

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samira.h(at)shaw.ca
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Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2014 1:27 pm Post subject: B&C alternator question

Gary, Doug and jilltd,



thank you very much for your postings.



I have bought the adapter plate and the

seal appr. 8 years ago from George Coy

and it must be somewhere in basement,

thanks for the kind reminder.



cheers



Elmar

mark.bitterlich(at)navy.m
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Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2014 1:43 pm Post subject: B&C alternator question

I am a strong supporter of the B&C product line, and I agree with Doug that an SK-35 ought to be just fine.  I have helped numerous folks install them in their Yaks and Sukhoi's over the years.



There are various ways to go about installing them, but I will post one very critical piece of advice concerning their installation (besides the oil seal plate!).



This Alternator has a plug with two blade connectors for input to the FIELD winding of the Alternator itself.



What comes with the kit is a plug, that has the two females that insert into the blades on the alternator for the field.   You have to install the plugs spade connectors onto wire.



Both of these spade type connectors connect to the same point in the alternator themselves.



A lot of people simply CRIMP the wire itself to these little connectors when they are building the wiring harness for this installation.   They also will make a little LOOP out of a piece of wire, hooking both of these spades together, so that they then only have to run  ONE WIRE back to the LS1A regulator.



Be aware that lots of folks that have had problems with this alternator have traced it back to a bad FIELD wire connection.



My personal advice is that you not only crimp, but then also SOLDER the connectors on to the wires that will be connecting to the alternators FIELD winding.  Even though it is pure over-kill, I personally would also run TWO WIRES (one for each spade connection) from the alternator back to the LS-1A regulator.    Also try to keep those wires from blowing around in the breeze when the engine is running.   If you do it right, you should never have a problem with the field wiring.  But the slide on spade connector does leave room for error if you are not careful.



Mark

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jblake207(at)comcast.net
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Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2014 2:06 pm Post subject: B&C alternator question

I went with the 50 amp B&C Alternator simply because I didn't want to wish that I had more power later... That said, I don't think I ever use over about 25 amps even with all lights on and smoke oil pump running.  <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /> 

  

You asked about the pros and cons...  

Pro:  It works.  When my generator didn't and the cost of replacing the solid state voltage regulator on the generator system was just about as expensive as the B&C Conversion. 

Con:  Cost. 

  

Put simply, I wouldnâ€™t convert to an alternator unless you old generator system is giving you problems or youâ€™re in need of lots of power. 

  

Jon Blake

jblake207(at)comcast.net (jblake207(at)comcast.net)

  From: "Elmar & Manuela" <samira.h(at)shaw.ca>

To: yak-list(at)matronics.com

Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 2:21:48 PM

Subject: B&C alternator question



--> Yak-List message posted by: Elmar & Manuela <samira.h(at)shaw.ca>



since quite some time I am looking into a

reliable and approved alternator conversion

for the CJ.



Over the years I have read many postings

on this forum regarding different alternators

and their manufacturers and it seems B&C is

winning the race.



I guess many Nanchang owners like myself have

removed all the obsolete original radio and navigation

equipment and hence there is no more need for high

amp output generation.



So which one would be the better respectively the more

dependable solution, the B&C SK35 (35amps) or the B&C

SK50 (50amps), any pros and cons?



Your opinion on this matter is greatly appreciated.



Thank you in advance.



cheers



Elmar





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McFly

Joined: 21 May 2012
Posts: 101
Location: Scottsdale, AZ

Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2014 6:32 pm Post subject: B&C alternator question

Interesting. I had assumed that by choosing the M-14P and voltage regulator was all you needed to replace the original generator on the M-14P. I have a Yak 50 it is going on.

 

What else do I need and where do I get it?

 

I have ordered the below already.

 Alternator Controller/Regulator, 28v (Homebuilt)_1

LS-1AAlternator for M14P, 35 Amps (Homebuilt)

SK35

 

 

Todd McCutchan

Fast Aircraft

T-34A & Yak-50

 

Cell - 260.402.1740

 

Email:  todd(at)fastaircraft.com (todd(at)fastaircraft.com) 

Skype:  tmccutchan

Web:  www.fastaircraft.com & www.toddmccutchanairshows.com 

 

From: owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of doug sapp

Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 1:52 PM

To: yak-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: B&C alternator question

 

Elmar,

The 35 amp would be plenty for your use in the CJ.  However understand that you will need a M14P generator oil seal plate to complete the installation.  If you attempt to use the plate which is stock to your HS6A and has no oil seal, you will in a few hours destroy the new alternator due to drowning it in oil.



 



I do not have the seal plates in stock at this time.



 



Best,



Doug

 

On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 12:21 PM, Elmar & Manuela <samira.h(at)shaw.ca (samira.h(at)shaw.ca)> wrote:

--> Yak-List message posted by: Elmar & Manuela <samira.h(at)shaw.ca (samira.h(at)shaw.ca)>



since quite some time I am looking into a

reliable and approved alternator conversion

for the CJ.



Over the years I have read many postings

on this forum regarding different alternators

and their manufacturers and it seems B&C is

winning the race.



I guess many Nanchang owners like myself have

removed all the obsolete original radio and navigation

equipment and hence there is no more need for high

amp output generation.



So which one would be the better respectively the more

dependable solution, the B&C SK35 (35amps) or the B&C

SK50 (50amps), any pros and cons?



Your opinion on this matter is greatly appreciated.



Thank you in advance.



cheers



Elmar

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samira.h(at)shaw.ca
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Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2014 6:35 pm Post subject: B&C alternator question

Mark, Jon and others,



thank you for your input, all of you have a

very good point.



The only reasons I would go for an alternator

conversion are:



1. it is Made in America



2. parts and support readily available within North-America



3. the dedicated voltage regulator comes with an over-voltage

     protection circuit (modern avionics can be very expensive)!!!



Now I have to double check with our authorities if there is any

veto from their side.



Thanks again and have a nice evening.



cheers



Elmar

Dawg

Joined: 19 May 2013
Posts: 355

Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2014 8:27 pm Post subject: B&C alternator question

I was wondering about the problems they were having with the B&C. Are they fact or fiction?



On Feb 25, 2014, at 6:27, Elmar & Manuela <samira.h(at)shaw.ca> wrote:



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 Gary, Doug and jilltd,

 

 thank you very much for your postings.

 

 I have bought the adapter plate and the

 seal appr. 8 years ago from George Coy

 and it must be somewhere in basement,

 thanks for the kind reminder.

 

 cheers

 

 Elmar

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pjsales(at)me.com
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Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2014 8:36 pm Post subject: B&C alternator question

Bill- I have had no problems with the 50 amp B&C.  



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		   On Feb 24, 2014, at 21:26, Bill Geipel <l129bs(at)gmail.com> wrote:

 

 

 

 I was wondering about the problems they were having with the B&C. Are they fact or fiction?

 

 

 

> On Feb 25, 2014, at 6:27, Elmar & Manuela <samira.h(at)shaw.ca> wrote:

> 

> 

> 

> Gary, Doug and jilltd,

> 

> thank you very much for your postings.

> 

> I have bought the adapter plate and the

> seal appr. 8 years ago from George Coy

> and it must be somewhere in basement,

> thanks for the kind reminder.

> 

> cheers

> 

> Elmar

dabear

Joined: 21 Jan 2011
Posts: 92
Location: Warrenton, VA

Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2014 8:43 pm Post subject: B&C alternator question

I have had the B&C in my CJ for over 8 years.  Once we fixed the connector

wiring issue (that Mark B. talked about), it has been trouble free.



Bear



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mark.bitterlich(at)navy.m
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Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2014 10:46 am Post subject: B&C alternator question

That's all you need.  However, you will be removing the generator, the over-voltage control, the generator voltage regulator, and the Combined System Device Relay (DMR-200).  All of these parts can be sold.



You can wire the LS-1A to control your original generator light if you want... .we can talk off line about that some time if you feel like it.  Saves you from mounting their alternator light, which is by the way, only a low voltage indicator, but it still does what it is supposed to do.



It's not a hard install.



Mark

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