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gmcjetpilot(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 3:02 am Post subject: Alternator failure. Info provided (show me the data)

Dear: Terry, Fiveonepw, Richard &  Fergus 

   

  

Good for you guys calling me on my data. I would say you 

should. Always have the same SHOW ME attitude when ever 

you hear any story of ANY alternator failure or reliability from 

any person., INCLUDING B&C. (That was my point.)

   

  People are willing to believe a slick brochure with out 

question.

   

  OK, You got me, NO B&C product has ever failed and 

in fact it's the perfect product. ha ha ha I AM KIDDING!!!

   

  The point to my many many many was to get your attention, 

and a response to a ZERO failure comment. 

   

  Don't assume that the B&C product is perfect, that's all. It's  

an electromechanical part and subject to wear like any.

 

Here are two items (search for B&C):

http://www.lancair.net/sdr.html

   

  Windows Web Explorer (select edit, find on this page)

   

  Type in B&C

  

You will find a wacky VR and bad connector. There 

have been many connector issues because B&C used 

some other kind of connector other than what you 

would find on a stock ND alternator with a molded 

plug or something like that.

   

  

I can't tell you how to search the archives but the is data  

there. The failures vary. Bob N or B&C can tell you better 

than I.  Also many issues have been improved.

   

  There have been nuisance O/V trips of the LR-3 

voltage regulator (internal crow bar), another (minor) 

issue. Minor if VFR at least.

   

  I did a quick search and found stuff on the LR3 regulator 

with a search of this forum,  areoelectric-list:

   

  Crowbar CB "problem" question

Help with Diagnosis

Alt Field Trip

   

  This was a quick check. Come on, point is stuff happens. 

   

   

  There have been a returns of B&C alternators. Again not 

everyone reports them on this forum. Just ask B&C and 

they will tell you honestly I am sure.



   

  Common guys I am just trying to be real, ZERO failures?

   

   

  Kyle, you are astounding me with your logic. Like you all 

I ask for is facts, evidence. Just because we have no reported 

B&C failures handy, that does not mean there are none, right. 

  

You are the man of logic. I feel no need to impugn or find 

negatives about B&C, only that ZERO failure expectation is 

unreasonable, just from common sense, Murphy's law and 

experience. I am not  in the market for a B&C product. 

I don't have the motivation, but with out checking I am 

sure the reliability is good. However is it significantly better 

than a NEW Nippondenso alternator installed and operated 

properly? May be, but I have no data, but than B&C does 

not really either. So their claims may be opinion?

   

   

  IF YOU really want to know the facts they are there are you 

should hold everyone (EVERYONE) accountable with real data, 

not claims of data. Ask B&C point blank, how many are 

in service and how many have been returned and for what 

reasons. What was done to solve the problem.

   

   

  If you pay $600-$700 for a B&C set up you are getting 

a quality product, no doubt.  To debate if it is worth it is 

totally subjective. I think I made my self clear in the 

previous post and said all I want on the  subject.

   

  Cheers George M. (good debate)

   

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		  From: "Terry Watson" <terry(at)tcwatson.com (terry(at)tcwatson.com)>



You are the one making the claim, George. Give us some 

evidence, or give it up.

   
	


  

 	  Quote: 	
		  From: Richard Dudley <rhdudley1(at)bellsouth.net (rhdudley1(at)bellsouth.net)>



Hear hear!!!

Many of us would like the FACTS!!!

RHDudley

   
	


  

 	  Quote: 	
		  From: Fiveonepw(at)aol.com (Fiveonepw(at)aol.com)



If we had anywhere near much data as verbiage, pehaps we 

could put this  to  bed.  Lots of assertions, still no data....

   
	


   

  

 	  Quote: 	
		  From: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO(at)rac.ca (VE3LVO(at)rac.ca)>



Why would anyone complain of lack of evidence due to lack of evidence? 

If  the failures are not reported on one device, why would they be reported 

on others (particularly cheaper editions)? Thus the evidence is 

unimportant if  that's the case. Several gentlemen have staked their 

reputations - over the decade - in the facts they support and I for one 

am prepared to believe them. The arrival of late arriving tsk-tsk in bad 

form is not needed.My choice is unaffected by Fred, George or Barry.


	


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Posted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 5:58 am Post subject: Alternator failure. Info provided (show me the data)

On Jul 2, 2006, at 6:50 AM, <gmcjetpilot(at)yahoo.com>  

<gmcjetpilot(at)yahoo.com> wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   Common guys I am just trying to be real, ZERO failures?


	


If the MTBF of a device is long enough it is possible to not have  

*yet* experienced failures in the field. But I know that B&C has had  

failures. Bill said that the failures he had seen so far (many years  

ago) had come from installation problems, not from defects in the  

alternator.



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