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naumuk(at)alltel.net
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Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 7:08 am Post subject: Writing started

All-

     I had to take the day off to  keep out of the way of the contractors who are putting in the garanger's French  drain system, so I started writing the list article. 

     While tabulating the  questionnaire responses, I realized I was still a few short of 25. The way  things are shaping up, it probably won't make any difference to the final  outcome, but it would be nice to have the responses "In the bank" if SA asks.  

     So, this is my last post asking  for questionnaires or responses.

     Thanks, all.

                                                                              Bill

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roger(at)nwtradingpost.co
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Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 8:48 am Post subject: Writing started

Bill  

   

Send me a questionnaire and I will respond  

   

Thanks  

   

Roger  

         

  

From: owner-zenith-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Naumuk

 Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 8:09 AM

 To: zenith list

 Subject: Writing started  

  

     

All-  

    

    I had to take the day off to keep out of the way of the contractors who are putting in the garanger's French drain system, so I started writing the list article.   

    

    While tabulating the questionnaire responses, I realized I was still a few short of 25. The way things are shaping up, it probably won't make any difference to the final outcome, but it would be nice to have the responses "In the bank" if SA asks.   

    

    So, this is my last post asking for questionnaires or responses.  

    

    Thanks, all.  

    

                                                                        Bill  

    

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naumuk(at)alltel.net
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Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 11:04 am Post subject: Writing started

Roger-

     Attached. Thanks.

                                                                     Bill

             SETTING THE STAGE                                                        1. Were you aware of, and did        you join a builder's list before you made a final kit choice?        2. Did you post questions on        the list re: your reservations concerning a potential choice?        3. Did the responses (Assuming        any) have a significant effect on your final choice?             4. If "No" to the above, how        long had you been building before joining?                  5. How long would it take to        drive to the nearest local builder of your kit brand and    model?        6. How long would it take to        drive to the nearest local builder of your kit brand?             7. Was the lack of local        builders the primary reason you joined a list?                  8. If "No" to any of the        above, why did you join a list?                                                                            DAY TO DAY                                                        1. How many days a week do you post to your list? (Do        you feel more of a need to be an active             contributor vs a        passive member)                                 2. Are most of your posts re: specific technical        questions/answers, or are they more socially             and opinion        oriented?                                             3. What is the percentage of answers/leads to        technical questions you get from your list as  

           opposed to other        sources? 

        4. Do you find your        participation in a list more satisfying from a technical or social        aspect?                                                        CRUNCH TIME (This is the        "Essay test" portion)                                                              We've all been faced with major setbacks. No matter the        circumstances, the first         question is "How did that happen?" Answer as many times        as you like. Suggestions for         content are:                                                Did you know before you posted that you        were the cause of the problem? If you knew        you screwed up, did you post        to "Admit your guilt and confess your sins", getting the        reinforcement        from other listers like,        "Yeah, join the club", enabling you to go on? Were you angry at        yourself        or depressed? How long does it        take you to get over the anger/depression/indecision and back to        work?             Did you post to determine where you        screwed up? Was the list instrumental in finding        the reason?                                                How do you feel about problems        attributable to the kit manufacturer?                                                             BOTTOM LINE                                                        1. Has membership to the list        been worthwhile?                            2. Has membership to the list        provided enough support to salvage a seemingly hopeless    project?        3. Would you recommend        membership in a list to a newbie?                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 

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roger(at)nwtradingpost.co
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Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 1:16 pm Post subject: Writing started

Bill  

   

Here goes:  

   

SETTING THE STAGE    I      only found out about the list after I chose the kit  
No.      see above  
no  
I learnt      about the list at the Zenith rudder workshop, so simultaneously I guess  
about      30 minutes  
about      30 minutes  
no,      the large pool of experience was the reason  
because      of the large pool of experience, which has proved to be accurate   

   

DAY TO DAY  

   

<![if !supportLists]>1.                   <![endif]>I only post to the list once every month or so  

<![if !supportLists]>2.                   <![endif]>technically oriented  

<![if !supportLists]>3.                   <![endif]>This is an unfair question: by religiously reading the list every day most of my questions are answered before I even think of them!  Otherwise I would say about 90% of my answers come from reading and from my Technical advisor  

<![if !supportLists]>4.                   <![endif]>actually both: although I answered technically oriented to 2 above, there is no doubt that the list builds a great feeling of camaraderie and fellowship  

           

CRUNCH TIME              

          

    

I typically pick up right away (or the next day)   when I screwed up, and by the way it is always my fault due to carelessness.   However I don’t spend any time getting angry or depressed as I   understand from the list that building a plane is much like playing golf, i.e   getting off the fairway and into the rough is not the problem, the trick is   in getting back onto the fairway. This where the EAA technical advisor comes   in: he helps me to formulate my ideas and I usually call the kit manufacturer   if there are any doubts   

    

To be honest I don’t have any complaints about   my kit manufacturer (Zenith). To my mind they do a fantastic job: nothing (so   far) is missing from my kits and if I screw up a part they send a replacement   right away    

    

    

    

BOTTOM LINE   

        Membership has        been more than worthwhile, it is essential    
I haven’t        got to that stage (yet!) but I can see where it would help    
Anybody that        builds a plane without belonging to a list is either very experienced or        crazy! Yes, I would strongly recommend it      

    

    

Roger         

          

          

          

          

          

              

          

              

              

          

          

          

          

          

          

              

          

              

              

              

              

          

Did you post to determine where you screwed up? Was the   list instrumental in finding             

the reason?         

          

          

          

          

          

              

          

How do you feel about problems attributable to the kit   manufacturer?        

         

  

From: owner-zenith-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Naumuk

 Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 11:59 AM

 To: zenith-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: Writing started  

  

     

Roger-  

    

    Attached. Thanks.  

    

                                                                Bill  

            

SETTING THE STAGE             

          

          

          

          

          

          

          

          

              

1. Were you aware of, and did you join a builder's list   before you made a final kit choice?             

2. Did you post questions on the list re: your   reservations concerning a potential choice?             

3. Did the responses (Assuming any) have a significant   effect on your final choice?         

              

4. If "No" to the above, how long had you been   building before joining?         

          

              

5. How long would it take to drive to the nearest local   builder of your kit brand and model?             

6. How long would it take to drive to the nearest local   builder of your kit brand?         

              

7. Was the lack of local builders the primary reason you   joined a list?         

          

              

8. If "No" to any of the above, why did you join   a list?         

          

          

          

              

          

          

          

          

          

          

          

          

              

DAY TO DAY             

          

          

          

          

          

          

          

          

              

1. How many days a week do you post to your list? (Do you   feel more of a need to be an active              

    contributor vs a passive member)         

          

          

          

          

              

2. Are most of your posts re: specific technical   questions/answers, or are they more socially              

    and opinion oriented?         

          

          

          

          

          

                 

3. What is the percentage of answers/leads to technical   questions you get from your list as     

      

    opposed to other sources?    

             

4. Do you find your participation in a list more   satisfying from a technical or social aspect?             

          

          

          

          

          

          

          

          

              

CRUNCH TIME (This is the "Essay test" portion)             

          

          

          

          

          

          

          

          

              

          

We've all been faced with major setbacks. No matter the   circumstances, the first              

question is "How did that happen?" Answer as   many times as you like. Suggestions for              

content are:         

          

          

          

          

          

          

              

          

Did you know before you posted that you were the cause of   the problem? If you knew             

you screwed up, did you post to "Admit your guilt and   confess your sins", getting the reinforcement             

from other listers like, "Yeah, join the club",   enabling you to go on? Were you angry at yourself             

or depressed? How long does it take you to get over the   anger/depression/indecision and back to work?             

          

Did you post to determine where you screwed up? Was the   list instrumental in finding             

the reason?         

          

          

          

          

          

          

              

          

How do you feel about problems attributable to the kit   manufacturer?         

              

          

          

          

          

          

          

          

          

              

BOTTOM LINE             

          

          

          

          

          

          

          

          

              

1. Has membership to the list been worthwhile?         

          

          

          

              

2. Has membership to the list provided enough support to   salvage a seemingly hopeless project?             

3. Would you recommend membership in a list to a newbie?         

          

          

              

          

          

          

          

          

          

          

          

              

          

          

          

          

          

          

          

          

              

          

          

          

          

          

          

          

          

              

          

          

          

          

          

          

          

          

              

          

          

          

          

          

          

          

          

              

          

          

          

          

          

          

          

          

              

          

          

          

          

          

          

          

          

         

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bob(at)frontrange-pc.com
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Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 6:55 pm Post subject: Writing started

Long time lurker – 701 plans and Corvair core in hand. (Let the flaming begin)…  

   

SETTING THE STAGE  

1 – Yes  

2 – No  

3 – Yes (my questions have, so far, been answered without me having to ask)  

4 – N/A  

5 – 2.5 hours  

6 - .25 hours  

7 – No  

8 – The list is an obvious wealth of information. Even if everyone on my block was building a CH something I’d read the list.  

   

DAY TO DAY  

1 – 0 (Well, until now…)  

2 – N/A  

3 – I look at the list FIRST. I’m in the very early stages of my project and will move forward at a glacial pace due to financial and time constraints. This does provide me with the ability to benefit from other builder’s trials and tribulations before I forge ahead. Short answer – 90%  

5 – I’ve really enjoyed the camaraderie in a lurking, non participating sort of way until now.  

   

CRUNCHTIME  

   

I’m not far enough along to have blown off any toes yet. (Other than the possible engine selection which is clearly heavier than CH intended.) I’m sure I’ll shoot myself squarely in the foot at some point. When I do so I’ll confess here and accept the help and any criticism as well. Since I’m going the plans built route I won’t be able to comment on kit issues. I’ve been studying the plans but it is too soon for me to comment on those.  

   

BOTTOM LINE  

   

1 – Yes  

2 – I’m don’t think I’d have ordered plans if it weren’t for this list.  

3 – Absolutley.  

   

Thanks to all you listers for the considerable amount of effort I see put forth here.  

   

Bob Percival  

701 Scratch Builder  

Working on Corvair conversion, forms, & $75.00 brake press.  

   

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John Bolding

Joined: 23 May 2006
Posts: 281

Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 4:33 am Post subject: Writing started

 

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naumuk(at)alltel.net
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Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 5:27 am Post subject: Writing started

Thanks, Bob. We made it, and I'm struggling with  writing the article right now.

                                                                 Bill

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bob(at)frontrange-pc.com
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Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 5:46 am Post subject: Writing started

Hello John,  

   

Thanks for the invite to your group of 701/Vair builders! I’m very interested in your weight loss program and any necessary 701 fortifications. I am aware of the top channel “Zee” reinforcement but am curious if any other mods are being made. I know these usually result in a weight penalty and we’re already over budget.  

   

Thanks!  

   

Bob  

   

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bob(at)frontrange-pc.com
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Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 5:46 am Post subject: Writing started

Sorry for the last reply folks, meant it to be off list – Newbie mistake  

   

Do not archive  

   

Bob Percival  

   

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