Matronics Email Lists :: View topic

Matronics Email Lists
Web Forum Interface to the Matronics Email Lists

Get Email Distribution Too! FAQ Search Memberlist Usergroups Register

Profile Log in to check your private messages Log in

Corvair Conversions

Matronics Email Lists Forum Index -> Zenith-List

View previous topic :: View next topic

Author Message

gboothe(at)calply.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 7:32 pm Post subject: Corvair Conversions

Chris, Paul,  

   

I am one of those who chose the Corvair first, then an airframe – No, actually, I have wanted to build a Pietenpol for close to 40 years, and they have been powered by Model A engines since 1928!!! And still are today!!!  

   

So much for the argument against auto conversions. That’s the part of experimental aviation that truly inspires me!  

   

My passion for the Piet led me to the Corvair which led me to WW and the 601. Please take the time to understand WW’s background and thought processes before making any opinion about the Corvair – or don’t.  

   

Also, there may be a more appropriate List for you to have your questions answered at:  www.corvaircraft(at)mylist.net  

   

Please take this kindly when I say that what inspires you to build and fly is your own business.  

   

Gary Boothe  

Cool, CA  

601 HDSTD, WW Conversion  

Tail done, working on wings....

gboothe(at)calply.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 8:18 pm Post subject: Corvair Conversions

Chris, Paul,  

   

I am one of those who chose the Corvair first, then an airframe – No, actually, I have wanted to build a Pietenpol for close to 40 years, and they have been powered by Model A engines since 1928!!! And still are today!!!  

   

So much for the argument against auto conversions. That’s the part of experimental aviation that truly inspires me!  

   

My passion for the Piet led me to the Corvair which led me to WW and the 601. Please take the time to understand WW’s background and thought processes before making any opinion about the Corvair – or don’t.  

   

Also, there may be a more appropriate List for you to have your Corvair questions answered at: corvaircraft.com  

   

Gary Boothe  

Cool, CA  

601 HDSTD, WW Conversion  

Tail done, working on wings....

randy(at)shadycreekoutlaw
Guest

Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 8:28 pm Post subject: Corvair Conversions

I've been sitting back tonight watching this  discussion and a question crossed my mind tonight, that has many times  before...  Seems every time you mention building a plane to someone on the  street and they find out you are using an auto engine conversion, they just  snicker and laugh...

  

 OK.. At what point after the Wright brothers made  their historic flight at Kitty Hawk, NC, did only "certified" engines become  suitable for flight?  I'm sure there was no such thing as a "certified"  engine in 1903, one of the biggest struggles was to find an engine with enough  power and still light enough for flight...  They used what they had, what  they could make and what they could find or invent.  At some point between  then and now, someone has taken or was given the authority to say what's  "certified" and what's not...  That being said, the word "certified" is  still someone's opinion.  They can say one engine is certified and one  is not...

  

 If I had a product on hand, that I called a "Super  Duper Flying Machine Motor", I could say to the world, "It is certified!"...but  certified by whom?... Me.  It's still an opinion...mine.  Does this  mean that all the other "Super Duper Flying Machine Motors" that everyone else  builds/copies of my original design, that accomplishes the same work as mine, at  half the cost, is junk?  Not worthy to do the job?  I could  say that and tell the world that, but would it be correct..?  No, just an  opinion...mine.

  

 Along the same thought of:

 The Wright brothers introduced flight to the  world...  There were no rules, no "certifications"...  Then the  government stepped in, and made rules, set up administrations, licensing,  certifications...etc., to govern the activity they introduced to the  world and anyone, who from then till today, that plays by their rules,  are "certified"...  Whew... Something wrong with that picture...  Who  gave the "authorities" the authority???

  

 Remember, the 3 biggest lies in the world  are:

 1.  I'll be there on Friday.

 2. The check is in the mail.

 3.  We're the FAA, and we're here to help  you.

  

 Bottom line is:

 We are all trying to get into the air...our own  way...by our own efforts.  I'll do it my way, and you'll do it yours.   BUT, just because you choose to do it your way instead of my way, doesn't mean  that you work and efforts are fruitless and void...  You have to do it to a  degree that is pleases you.  Keep in mind what the role of the part is,  that's in question, and build the part to accomplish its designated  role...  Heck, I've seen pictures of parts built for homebuilts, even  Zodiacs, I wouldn't rivet on my wheel barrow and trust...  but the guy  that built it, built it for himself, to suit himself, to accomplish the task he  planned for it to do...and that's good enough for me.

  

 

Randy

 XL Wings - Plans Only

 http://www.n344rb.com

 Do Not Archive

  

  

  

  

  

 [quote]   ---

ch601xl(at)gmail.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 6:49 am Post subject: Corvair Conversions

"Did anyone on this list choose the corvair with knowing the basics of engine? I think not." should be "Did anyone on this list choose the corvair without knowing the basics of engine?



 On 7/7/06, Christopher Smith <ch601xl(at)gmail.com (ch601xl(at)gmail.com)> wrote:[quote] Gary & Randy,

I would like to point out that I just wanted info on the corvair. Please read the posts & you will see that. I said some things  wrong that  made it sound as if I was lumping all corvair builders into the same group. For that I am sorry (Think I have said I'm Sorry more in the last day than the last 10 years). But please take time to understand that some of you take criticism to questions of reliability. I will say this only once......To walk info anything in aviation blind could cost you your life. That does not mean that just because the batt might quit and take the engine with it is better or worse than engine x y or z. But if I choose the corvair not caring what makes it differ from any other engine, Then I am a bad builder, a bad pilot. Did anyone on this list choose the corvair with knowing the basics of engine? I think not. Someone took the time to answer your questions. Now is the time to promote your engine of choice, not defend it. The corvair does not need defending! Guys, Help me with my choice, or i will have no choice. Thank you. 

On 7/6/06, Randy Bryant < randy(at)shadycreekoutlaws.com (randy(at)shadycreekoutlaws.com)> wrote:[quote]        I've been sitting back tonight watching this  discussion and a question crossed my mind tonight, that has many times  before...  Seems every time you mention building a plane to someone on the  street and they find out you are using an auto engine conversion, they just  snicker and laugh...

  

 OK.. At what point after the Wright brothers made  their historic flight at Kitty Hawk, NC, did only "certified" engines become  suitable for flight?  I'm sure there was no such thing as a "certified"  engine in 1903, one of the biggest struggles was to find an engine with enough  power and still light enough for flight...  They used what they had, what  they could make and what they could find or invent.  At some point between  then and now, someone has taken or was given the authority to say what's  "certified" and what's not...  That being said, the word "certified" is  still someone's opinion.  They can say one engine is certified and one  is not...

  

 If I had a product on hand, that I called a "Super  Duper Flying Machine Motor", I could say to the world, "It is certified!"...but  certified by whom?... Me.  It's still an opinion...mine.  Does this  mean that all the other "Super Duper Flying Machine Motors" that everyone else  builds/copies of my original design, that accomplishes the same work as mine, at  half the cost, is junk?  Not worthy to do the job?  I could  say that and tell the world that, but would it be correct..?  No, just an  opinion...mine.

  

 Along the same thought of:

 The Wright brothers introduced flight to the  world...  There were no rules, no "certifications"...  Then the  government stepped in, and made rules, set up administrations, licensing,  certifications...etc., to govern the activity they introduced to the  world and anyone, who from then till today, that plays by their rules,  are "certified"...  Whew... Something wrong with that picture...  Who  gave the "authorities" the authority???

  

 Remember, the 3 biggest lies in the world  are:

 1.  I'll be there on Friday.

 2. The check is in the mail.

 3.  We're the FAA, and we're here to help  you.

  

 Bottom line is:

 We are all trying to get into the air..our own  way...by our own efforts.  I'll do it my way, and you'll do it yours.   BUT, just because you choose to do it your way instead of my way, doesn't mean  that you work and efforts are fruitless and void...  You have to do it to a  degree that is pleases you.  Keep in mind what the role of the part is,  that's in question, and build the part to accomplish its designated  role...  Heck, I've seen pictures of parts built for homebuilts, even  Zodiacs, I wouldn't rivet on my wheel barrow and trust...  but the guy  that built it, built it for himself, to suit himself, to accomplish the task he  planned for it to do...and that's good enough for me.

  

 

Randy

 XL Wings - Plans Only

 http://www.n344rb.com

 Do Not Archive

  

 

 

  

  

  

  	  Quote: 	
		  	


   ---

ch601xl(at)gmail.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 6:49 am Post subject: Corvair Conversions

Gary & Randy,

I would like to point out that I just wanted info on the corvair. Please read the posts & you will see that. I said some things  wrong that  made it sound as if I was lumping all corvair builders into the same group. For that I am sorry (Think I have said I'm Sorry more in the last day than the last 10 years). But please take time to understand that some of you take criticism to questions of reliability. I will say this only once......To walk info anything in aviation blind could cost you your life. That does not mean that just because the batt might quit and take the engine with it is better or worse than engine x y or z. But if I choose the corvair not caring what makes it differ from any other engine, Then I am a bad builder, a bad pilot. Did anyone on this list choose the corvair with knowing the basics of engine? I think not. Someone took the time to answer your questions. Now is the time to promote your engine of choice, not defend it. The corvair does not need defending! Guys, Help me with my choice, or i will have no choice. Thank you. 



On 7/6/06, Randy Bryant <randy(at)shadycreekoutlaws.com (randy(at)shadycreekoutlaws.com)> wrote:[quote]        I've been sitting back tonight watching this  discussion and a question crossed my mind tonight, that has many times  before...  Seems every time you mention building a plane to someone on the  street and they find out you are using an auto engine conversion, they just  snicker and laugh...

  

 OK.. At what point after the Wright brothers made  their historic flight at Kitty Hawk, NC, did only "certified" engines become  suitable for flight?  I'm sure there was no such thing as a "certified"  engine in 1903, one of the biggest struggles was to find an engine with enough  power and still light enough for flight...  They used what they had, what  they could make and what they could find or invent.  At some point between  then and now, someone has taken or was given the authority to say what's  "certified" and what's not...  That being said, the word "certified" is  still someone's opinion.  They can say one engine is certified and one  is not...

  

 If I had a product on hand, that I called a "Super  Duper Flying Machine Motor", I could say to the world, "It is certified!"...but  certified by whom?... Me.  It's still an opinion...mine.  Does this  mean that all the other "Super Duper Flying Machine Motors" that everyone else  builds/copies of my original design, that accomplishes the same work as mine, at  half the cost, is junk?  Not worthy to do the job?  I could  say that and tell the world that, but would it be correct..?  No, just an  opinion...mine.

  

 Along the same thought of:

 The Wright brothers introduced flight to the  world...  There were no rules, no "certifications"...  Then the  government stepped in, and made rules, set up administrations, licensing,  certifications...etc., to govern the activity they introduced to the  world and anyone, who from then till today, that plays by their rules,  are "certified"...  Whew... Something wrong with that picture...  Who  gave the "authorities" the authority???

  

 Remember, the 3 biggest lies in the world  are:

 1.  I'll be there on Friday.

 2. The check is in the mail.

 3.  We're the FAA, and we're here to help  you.

  

 Bottom line is:

 We are all trying to get into the air..our own  way...by our own efforts.  I'll do it my way, and you'll do it yours.   BUT, just because you choose to do it your way instead of my way, doesn't mean  that you work and efforts are fruitless and void...  You have to do it to a  degree that is pleases you.  Keep in mind what the role of the part is,  that's in question, and build the part to accomplish its designated  role...  Heck, I've seen pictures of parts built for homebuilts, even  Zodiacs, I wouldn't rivet on my wheel barrow and trust...  but the guy  that built it, built it for himself, to suit himself, to accomplish the task he  planned for it to do...and that's good enough for me.

  

 

Randy

 XL Wings - Plans Only

 http://www.n344rb.com

 Do Not Archive

  

 

 

  

  

  

  	  Quote: 	
		  	


   ---

601zv(at)ritternet.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 8:25 am Post subject: Corvair Conversions

Having built my Wynne-Vair 2900 with the generous  assistance and guidance of the WW crew, the satisfaction of completing it and  the knowledge and understanding of it is such that I would not trade it for a  brand new Jab. I expect to fly behind it in more comfort than I would any new  engine I could have purchased.

 [quote]   ---

mijniljj(at)yahoo.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 10:16 am Post subject: Corvair Conversions

I think you made a good choise because this engine had

more research and developement than all of the Lyc.

and Cont. put together and is only going to be runing

at 50  to 60 percent power and with the crankshaft

problem behind us it will have fewer failures than the

others n the next few years including the Jab.

Jim



--- Robin Bellach <601zv(at)ritternet.com> wrote:



[quote] Having built my Wynne-Vair 2900 with the generous

 assistance and guidance of the WW crew, the

 satisfaction of completing it and the knowledge and

 understanding of it is such that I would not trade

 it for a brand new Jab. I expect to fly behind it in

 more comfort than I would any new engine I could

 have purchased.

   ---

mijniljj(at)yahoo.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 10:16 am Post subject: Corvair Conversions

I think you made a good choise because this engine had

more research and developement than all of the Lyc.

and Cont. put together and is only going to be runing

at 50  to 60 percent power and with the crankshaft

problem behind us it will have fewer failures than the

others n the next few years including the Jab.

Jim



--- Robin Bellach <601zv(at)ritternet.com> wrote:



[quote] Having built my Wynne-Vair 2900 with the generous

 assistance and guidance of the WW crew, the

 satisfaction of completing it and the knowledge and

 understanding of it is such that I would not trade

 it for a brand new Jab. I expect to fly behind it in

 more comfort than I would any new engine I could

 have purchased.

   ---

JAPhillipsGA(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 11:51 am Post subject: Corvair Conversions

Way to go!!! Make a Decision and Stick to your guns !! We all Recognize and Applaud Courage of Conviction. BRAVO  !!

 do not archive

pmaxpmax(at)HOTMAIL.COM
Guest

Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 12:50 pm Post subject: Corvair Conversions

Robin,



You know a level of satisfaction that many other homebuilders will not know. 

  You built the engine yourself (with help from experts of course).  This is 

one of the main reasons I chose the Corvair and stuck with the rebuilding 

sub-project.  It is great fun.  I learned more from that than from the rest 

of the project.



Now, this evening, I'm going flying.



Phil Maxson

601XL/Corvair

Northwest New Jersey

[quote]From: "Robin Bellach" <601zv(at)ritternet.com>

Reply-To: zenith-list(at)matronics.com

To: <zenith-list(at)matronics.com>

Subject: Re: Corvair Conversions

Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 11:24:19 -0500



Having built my Wynne-Vair 2900 with the generous assistance and guidance 

of the WW crew, the satisfaction of completing it and the knowledge and 

understanding of it is such that I would not trade it for a brand new Jab. 

I expect to fly behind it in more comfort than I would any new engine I 

could have purchased.

   ---

gboothe(at)calply.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 1:20 pm Post subject: Corvair Conversions

Chris,  

   

Please check out the web sight, corvaircraft.com. There you will find the link to the Corvair List, which is a more appropriate place for you to get info. I don’t wish to belabor this point with the good Zenith builders on this list. Better yet, invest the $150 or so to get WW’s manual which will answer virtually every question you have concerning Corvair conversions. If you are truly interested in experimental aviation this will be a very small investment.  

   

Gary Boothe  

Cool, CA  

601 HDSTD, WW Conversion  

Tail done, working on wings....  

   

Do not arcive.  

   

   

Gary & Randy,

 I would like to point out that I just wanted info on the corvair. Please read the posts & you will see that. I said some things  wrong that  made it sound as if I was lumping all corvair builders into the same group. For that I am sorry (Think I have said I'm Sorry more in the last day than the last 10 years). But please take time to understand that some of you take criticism to questions of reliability. I will say this only once......To walk info anything in aviation blind could cost you your life. That does not mean that just because the batt might quit and take the engine with it is better or worse than engine x y or z. But if I choose the corvair not caring what makes it differ from any other engine, Then I am a bad builder, a bad pilot. Did anyone on this list choose the corvair with knowing the basics of engine? I think not. Someone took the time to answer your questions. Now is the time to promote your engine of choice, not defend it. The corvair does not need defending! Guys, Help me with my choice, or i will have no choice. Thank you.     

On 7/6/06, Randy Bryant <randy(at)shadycreekoutlaws.com (randy(at)shadycreekoutlaws.com)> wrote:        

I've been sitting back tonight watching this discussion and a question crossed my mind tonight, that has many times before...  Seems every time you mention building a plane to someone on the street and they find out you are using an auto engine conversion, they just snicker and laugh...  

    

   

    

OK.. At what point after the Wright brothers made their historic flight at Kitty Hawk,  NC, did only "certified" engines become suitable for flight?  I'm sure there was no such thing as a "certified" engine in 1903, one of the biggest struggles was to find an engine with enough power and still light enough for flight...  They used what they had, what they could make and what they could find or invent.  At some point between then and now, someone has taken or was given the authority to say what's "certified" and what's not...  That being said, the word "certified" is still someone's opinion.  They can say one engine is certified and one is not...  

    

   

    

If I had a product on hand, that I called a "Super Duper Flying Machine Motor", I could say to the world, "It is certified!"...but certified by whom?... Me.  It's still an opinion...mine.  Does this mean that all the other "Super Duper Flying Machine Motors" that everyone else builds/copies of my original design, that accomplishes the same work as mine, at half the cost, is junk?  Not worthy to do the job?  I could say that and tell the world that, but would it be correct..?  No, just an opinion...mine.  

    

   

    

Along the same thought of:  

    

The Wright brothers introduced flight to the world...  There were no rules, no "certifications"...  Then the government stepped in, and made rules, set up administrations, licensing, certifications...etc., to govern the activity they introduced to the world and anyone, who from then till today, that plays by their rules, are "certified"...  Whew... Something wrong with that picture...  Who gave the "authorities" the authority???  

    

   

    

Remember, the 3 biggest lies in the world are:  

    

1.  I'll be there on Friday.  

    

2. The check is in the mail.  

    

3.  We're the FAA, and we're here to help you.  

    

   

    

Bottom line is:  

    

We are all trying to get into the air...our own way...by our own efforts.  I'll do it my way, and you'll do it yours.  BUT, just because you choose to do it your way instead of my way, doesn't mean that you work and efforts are fruitless and void...  You have to do it to a degree that is pleases you.  Keep in mind what the role of the part is, that's in question, and build the part to accomplish its designated role...  Heck, I've seen pictures of parts built for homebuilts, even Zodiacs, I wouldn't rivet on my wheel barrow and trust...  but the guy that built it, built it for himself, to suit himself, to accomplish the task he planned for it to do...and that's good enough for me.  

    

   

    



 Randy  

    

XL Wings - Plans Only  

    

http://www.n344rb.com  

    

Do Not Archive  

    

   

  

   

    

   

    

   

    

   

  

      

---

601zv(at)ritternet.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 1:42 pm Post subject: Corvair Conversions

That invaluable WW Conversion Manual is only  $59.

 [quote]   ---

Display posts from previous:

	Matronics Email Lists Forum Index -> Zenith-List	All times are GMT - 8 Hours
Page 1 of 1

Jump to:

You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You can download files in this forum