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BSchroeder(at)uta.cog.ut.
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 Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 9:50 am Post subject: -'s for sale in quantity, available today |
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Isn̻t the point of the 5% rule for the sole purpose of who does the maintenance on the plane? I build a plane for the enjoyment and because I can̻t otherwise afford to own my own plane. That said, if I were in a position to afford to have someone else build it and maintain it after then so be it. With the van̻s line of aircraft you get a superior airframe and an excellent safety record. As long as the buyer is willing to pay for the services what difference does it make to me when I build my own? Just a thought.
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james.k.hovis(at)gmail.co
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| Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 9:56 am Post subject: -'s for sale in quantity, available today |
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I don't think you mis-interpreted me at all. I'm sure there are those out there who enjoy the building and not the flying part of the homebuilding hobby kind of like it is in another hobby I'm involved in. But it does seem to me that flying your creation goes a long way to showing you aren't doing it for profit. However, there are always exceptions to the rule and there is a waiver process that could help in situations like you cite. What I hate more is this has to be discussed at all because a few bad apples stretching the rules.
JKH
On 7//6, James Clark <jclarkmail(at)gmail.com (jclarkmail(at)gmail.com)> wrote: | Quote: | I would suggest that we want to keep separate the building vs testing.
One may wish to build an airplane and follow **ALL** the rules to the letter but NOT be confident in flying skills at the moment. No problem getting someone to fly some or ALL of the test time in my opinion. Actually the builder does note even have to be a pilot if I recall correctly. So let's not mix apples and watermelons.
An example:
A local builder built an RV6A some years ago. He and his 2 other partners flew it for years. One partner dies and the other stops flying so they sell it clear up the estate matters I think. This builder later decides to build again so he can fly! He does every last rivet in the plane himself and even though he was a WWII flight instructor in "Stearman's" and T-6's and a whole bunch of other stuff, he asks me to help in flying some of his test time. I was honored to do it for him as although he is in his mid eighties (85+), he can still fly CIRCLES around me in the RV. He just did not have the time or energy after (non threatening, elective) surgery of some sorts. He is now all healed and good to go.
It would have been a BAD thing if this guy would get caught up in something as proposed.
James
p.s. Please correct me if I mis-interpreted what you were saying.
On 7//6, James K Hovis <james.k.hovis(at)gmail.com (james.k.hovis(at)gmail.com)> wrote: | Quote: | Michael,
I agree, but if there is going to be a change in the rules then maybe a further refinement such as what I allude to could be a good compromise and not bring down some draconian rule that hurts guys building now and those of us who wish to start in the near future. Something like 8 - 9% of the test flight time has to be done by the builder/owner (or one of them in case of a partnership). This still allows a poeriod when you hire a free-lance pilot for initial tests if you aren't comfortable doing it. Therefore once the test period is done, the airplane is an "airplane" in every sense. Actually flying your creation is a sure sign to me that you are doing the effort to build for your personal education and enjoyment.
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