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irampil(at)notes.cc.sunys
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 Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2006 10:48 am Post subject: Stall Spin |
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Chris Beck writes:
| Quote: | >All the recent correspondence following the tragedy at Oshkosh seems to point to
>>a basic instability with the Europa. Is this inherent in the design or due to
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>>building errors?Trimming ailerons to achieve smooth integration with the wing
Sorry Chris,
Your comments are unfortunately uninformed.
Keeping aside our personal feelings of loss for an active member of this online community, the subject
aircraft was observed by many to be slow in the pattern and to have overshot the base to final turn.
This is a classic scenario for a cross controlled spin entry, which is exactly what happened, according
to multiple pilot witnesses. I can not say I saw it happen at the approach end of 27, since I was
having breakfast midfield along 36 when it happened, but word travels fast.
By no means is this phenomena exclusive to Europas as you imply. I guarantee you that a quick scan
of the NTSB database will reveal dozens of C140/150/152 accidents of identical origin. If Europas were
the only a/c to drop a wing in a cross controlled stall, why then does every text on flying devote
considerable space to this scenario?
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Ron,
why redesign the wing, adding a cuff when the factory makes a clear simple solution in adding a stall strip?
Ivan was not at Osh this year, but was according to the Liberty guys, in Africa ferry an a/c.
Other Osh tidbit: John Hurst is now working for Phil Lockwood in Sebring
Ira N224XS
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n9zes(at)verizon.net
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| Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2006 4:38 pm Post subject: Stall Spin |
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Actually, Ira, I didn't make the quoted comment you reference to. That
was someone else.
I only made reference to the stalling habits of 152's that I've flown.
Chris
irampil(at)notes.cc.sunysb.edu wrote:
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Chris Beck writes:
>>All the recent correspondence following the tragedy at Oshkosh seems
to point to
>>a basic instability with the Europa. Is this inherent in the design
or due to
>>building errors?Trimming ailerons to achieve smooth integration with
the wing
Sorry Chris,
Your comments are unfortunately uninformed.
Keeping aside our personal feelings of loss for an active member of
this online community, the subject
aircraft was observed by many to be slow in the pattern and to have
overshot the base to final turn.
This is a classic scenario for a cross controlled spin entry, which is
exactly what happened, according
to multiple pilot witnesses. I can not say I saw it happen at the
approach end of 27, since I was
having breakfast midfield along 36 when it happened, but word travels
fast.
By no means is this phenomena exclusive to Europas as you imply. I
guarantee you that a quick scan
of the NTSB database will reveal dozens of C140/150/152 accidents of
identical origin. If Europas were
the only a/c to drop a wing in a cross controlled stall, why then does
every text on flying devote
considerable space to this scenario?
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