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rstone4(at)hot.rr.com
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Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 9:31 pm Post subject: GPS Navigation

Members,

      I seem to remember  seeing some traffic on the net about the qualities of the Lowrance Airmap  2000c.  All was complimentary and written by owners of one of these GPS  units.  The thing that I find interesting is the prices quoted were up  around $600.00 plus.  The thing that makes this price interesting is the  same unit is being sold by Aircraft Spruce & Specialty for $399.00, Part  number 11-02222.  This price is in an add on the back outside page of the  July 2006 issue of EAA Sport Pilot.  The exact same GPS is in the Aircraft  Spruce regular catalog, on page 466 bottom left at a price of $999.00, Part  number 11-02824.  I just thought if any of you guys are in the market for a  GPS, a 600 dollar reduction in price is well worth knowing about.  I have a  Garmin 296 GPS unit that I intend to use when my ZodiacXL is ready to fly.   It will be either the primary or backup because I am going to get one of those  Lowrance 2000c GPS units.

  

 Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx

  

  

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601zv(at)ritternet.com
Guest

Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2006 4:14 am Post subject: GPS Navigation

Bob, 

 11-02222 is $399 in the regular catalog. It's the AirMap 500 handheld with  3" black and white 240x180 LED display. 11-02222 is the AirMap 2000C with 5"  386-color 320x240 TFT display. These definitely ARE NOT the same unit.

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601zv(at)ritternet.com
Guest

Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2006 5:02 am Post subject: GPS Navigation

OOPS! 11-02824  is 2000C. I can't get it right either!

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jean-paul.roy4(at)tlb.sym
Guest

Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2006 5:26 am Post subject: GPS Navigation

Hi Robert. The fact is the number 11-02222 from ACS is a Lowrance  AirMap 500 (at) $399.00. It is a black and white  display GPS.

  

  

 The number 11-02824 is  indeed a

 LOWRANCE  AIRMAP 2000C  (at) $999.00. It is a colour display  GPS.

  

 Hope this clarify things.

  

 Regards

  

 Jean-Paul Roy

  

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rstone4(at)hot.rr.com
Guest

Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2006 6:59 am Post subject: GPS Navigation

Jean-Paul,

      I guess the thing  that fooled me is the fact that the picture in the add shown on the back page of  Sport Pilot and the picture of the 2000c in the Acft Spruce catalog look  alike.

  

 Bob Stone

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todd(at)toddtown.com
Guest

Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2006 7:07 am Post subject: GPS Navigation

I have not used the 2000, but I own the Lowrance 1000 and can say that I 

love it. The only complaint I have is the MapCreate software that comes 

with it is not good, but you don't need that for aviation use anyway. 

The GPS is terrific, VERY easy to use and read, I have nothing but good 

things to say about it.



Todd

dredmoody(at)cox.net
Guest

Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2006 7:29 am Post subject: GPS Navigation

Here's the straight info Bob, and anyone else  interested. The A.S. part number 11-0222 listed for $399.00 is accurate.  Unfortunately it is accurate for the Lowrance Airmap 500..... a black and white  unit with a 3" diagonal screen and far fewer features. 

  

 The Airmap 2000C has a color display, 5" diagonal  screen, a crapload more features including terrain and obstruction awareness,  and the Aircraft Spruce price is $999.00 . The best price I have seen for this  item (the 2000C) is at Marv Golden. It was about $690 a week ago but when I  checked on it for another builder 2 days ago it had gone up to $725.00 . The  black and white Airmap 1000 sells for $495.00 , it is the same size as the  2000C but it cannot be upgraded to provide terrain data... it will show tower  obstructions however.

  

 They are very nice gps units, much less expensive  than Garmin 396 and 496 units which have more features but a 3.8" diagonal  display.

  

 Ed Moody II

 Rayne, LA

 601XL / fuselage

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dredmoody(at)cox.net
Guest

Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2006 7:41 am Post subject: GPS Navigation

The Map Create software that comes with the 2000C is slow and cumbersome  to 

load onto a card but if you limit the size of the map file it works okay and 

allows very useful operation on land / water. You will be allowed to 

register only five cards to the program so I advise buying big ones..... I 

bought three 1 gig SD cards so far and have been happy with them.



Ed Moody II

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 I have not used the 2000, but I own the Lowrance 1000 and can say that I 

 love it. The only complaint I have is the MapCreate software that comes 

 with it is not good, but you don't need that for aviation use anyway.

rstone4(at)hot.rr.com
Guest

Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2006 8:03 am Post subject: GPS Navigation

Ed,

      If you look at the  ad in July 2006 issue of Sport Pilot on the back cover it does not say  500, or 1000, it does say Lowrence 2000c.  I also says in the same  that it's a 256 color display.  I just called Aircraft Spruce and talked to  someone in Avionics who told me that the add was printed than way in  error.

      I am not a lawyer  so I may not be correctly informed but I have heard that if a vendor  advertises a product at a certain price, he is bound by law to sell the product  for that price.  If there are any lawyers on the net,  I sure  would like to know if this information is correct.

  

 Bob Stone 

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p.mulwitz(at)worldnet.att
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Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2006 9:43 am Post subject: GPS Navigation

Hi Bob,



 I'm no lawyer, but I don't think you can hold them to the ad when it is printed in error.  That sort of stuff is reserved for slick operators who intentionally advertise falsely in the hope of a "Bait and Switch" scam.



 The guys at AS&S are really nice and do a good job of keeping prices down for the stuff we all need to build our planes.



 You might do well to buy the Airmap 500 which is really for sale at the $399 price.  I have one and love it.  It has a small black & white screen, but it still gives great navigation capability.  I bought it with the idea of learning how to use the GPS system before finishing my plane - as part of updating my skills after 15 years on the ground.  Still, I think it would be a fine instrument to use for VFR navigation.



 Best regards,



 Paul

 XL fuselage

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 At 09:00 AM 8/26/2006, you wrote:

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		   Ed,

      If you look at the ad in July 2006 issue of Sport Pilot on the back cover it does not say 500, or 1000, it does say Lowrence 2000c.  I also says in the same that it's a 256 color display.  I just called Aircraft Spruce and talked to someone in Avionics who told me that the add was printed than way in error.

      I am not a lawyer so I may not be correctly informed but I have heard that if a vendor advertises a product at a certain price, he is bound by law to sell the product for that price.  If there are any lawyers on the net,  I sure would like to know if this information is correct.

  

 	
 

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 Paul Mulwitz

 32013 NE Dial Road

 Camas, WA 98607

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dredmoody(at)cox.net
Guest

Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2006 11:48 am Post subject: GPS Navigation

I don't have the ad available to confirm but I'm  sure you are correct about its details. As for bluffing them into selling you a  Lowrance 2000C for $399.00 I'd bet against it. In most poker games it takes a  pair (or better) to open.... this one will take a big pair... of brass  ones.  

  

 Even if the law is on your side, I'm guessing their  lawyer can beat up your lawyer without breaking a sweat. Damned shame though....  that would have been a sweet deal. I've generally found that if something looks  too good to be true, it actually IS too good to be true.

  

 Best of luck,

  

 Ed

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dredmoody(at)cox.net
Guest

Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2006 12:03 pm Post subject: GPS Navigation

Consider how much easier it is for old eyes to  focus on a screen that's a bit larger and the B&W Airmap 1000 may be a good  deal too. No terrain info though.

  

 Ed

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jean-paul.roy4(at)tlb.sym
Guest

Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2006 5:23 am Post subject: GPS Navigation

Those things happen Robert. The 2000C seems to me  like a good buy anyway.

  

 Have a good day

 do not archive

  

 Jean-Paul

  

  

  

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Doug Garrou

Joined: 16 Jan 2006
Posts: 18
Location: Richmond, VA, USA

Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2006 12:37 pm Post subject: GPS Navigation

I can only speak to U.S. law based on my hazy recall from law school.  I.e., all caveats apply.  But here goes:  



Generally a seller can be held to an advertised price, even if the price is printed in error.  However -- big however -- because of that rule, virtually every catalogue known to man has a disclaimer somewhere about misprints, etc.  That disclaimer is generally effective to protect the seller from good-faith errors.



Meanwhile, the law protects consumers from bad-faith "errors" by a seller -- e.g., some kind of scam where the seller advertises a low price, gets you into the store, and refuses to honor it.  It's well worth reading about that law from time to time, to understand the consumer's rights and to get a feel for the scams that are out there in the marketplace.  I often do that before making a major purchase.  



Here's a good summary of "bait advertising," for example:



http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/guides/baitads-gd.htm



And there is a LOT of GREAT summary info here:



http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/menu-prod.htm



Cheers

Doug G.

Project801



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beachyjeff(at)juno.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 4:16 am Post subject: GPS Navigation

FYI,



Pilotshop.com in Arizona was offering the 2000C for $695.00 with free

shipping last week. This morning I see it offered for $799.00.



Jeff B.

CH701, 70%

rstone4(at)hot.rr.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 5:02 am Post subject: GPS Navigation

Members



     Aircraft Spruce & Specialty is now selling the Lowrance Airmap 2000c 

for $799.oo.  They also have free shipping and no tax so long as you do not 

live in California or Georgia

     From some of the reply's I received concerning my question about the 

error in advertising of the 2000c for $399.oo some of you people seem to 

think that I intend to take advantage of this error for my own gain.  This 

is anything but the truth.  I have been doing business with Aircraft Spruce 

for over 30 years off and on and have no intention of doing any such thing 

and never did.  I think they are one of the best aircraft supply houses in 

the world and would never do such a thing.  I was just interested in finding 

out what the laws say about this.



Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx

ZodiacXL

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