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biglar

Joined: 14 Jan 2006
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Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 10:36 am Post subject: Bill Herrin

I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news.  Bill Herrin, of  Pineville, LA was taking off in his little Luscombe from Ocala, FL  yesterday evening with his daughter on board and apparently lost power at  low altitude and crashed into a field.  Neither survived the crash.  I  have no other details.  

  

 Bill didn't say much on the Kolb List, but thoroughly enjoyed  the conversations and followed it closely.  We became friends years ago  thru the List, I've visited him twice in "Lousy-ana," and he visited me  here in Furnace Springs on his way home from Monument Valley.  He realized  a lifetime dream earlier this year when he flew his Luscombe from coast to  coast, with a stop to visit us in Monument Valley last May. 

  

 Bill was a good friend.  He'll be  missed.                        Lar.

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Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 11:08 am Post subject: Bill Herrin

A moment of silence from this end....................



On 4, Sep 2006, at 2:34 PM, Larry Bourne wrote:



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		   I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news.  Bill Herrin, of Pineville, LA 

 was taking off in his little Luscombe from Ocala, FL yesterday evening 

 with his daughter on board and apparently lost power at low altitude 

 and crashed into a field.  Neither survived the crash.  I have no 

 other details. 

  

 Bill didn't say much on the Kolb List, but thoroughly enjoyed the 

 conversations and followed it closely.  We became friends years ago 

 thru the List, I've visited him twice in "Lousy-ana," and he visited 

 me here in Furnace Springs on his way home from Monument Valley.  He 

 realized a lifetime dream earlier this year when he flew his Luscombe 

 from coast to coast, with a stop to visit us in Monument Valley last 

 May.

  

 Bill was a good friend.  He'll be missed.                       Lar.

rp3420(at)freescale.com
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Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 11:13 am Post subject: Bill Herrin

Larry,

  

 That  is sad news.  It was a pleasure to meet Bill and spend some time with him  at MV.  He will be missed.

  

 Tim  and uncle Craig

  

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From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com  [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry  Bourne

Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 11:35 AM

To:  kolb-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Bill  Herrin



 [quote]   I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news.  Bill Herrin,    of Pineville, LA was taking off in his little Luscombe from Ocala,    FL yesterday evening with his daughter on board and apparently lost power    at low altitude and crashed into a field.  Neither survived the    crash.  I have no other details.  

    

   Bill didn't say much on the Kolb List, but thoroughly    enjoyed the conversations and followed it closely.  We became friends    years ago thru the List, I've visited him twice in "Lousy-ana," and he    visited me here in Furnace Springs on his way home from Monument Valley.     He realized a lifetime dream earlier this year when he flew his Luscombe from    coast to coast, with a stop to visit us in Monument Valley last May.    

    

   Bill was a good friend.  He'll be    missed.                          Lar.

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John Hauck

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Location: Titus, Alabama (hauck's holler)

Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 11:31 am Post subject: Bill Herrin

Bill was a good friend.  He'll be missed.                       Lar.



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Sorry to hear this.



Talked to Bill a few days ago.



He pitched his tent next to mine at MV.  Every time I turned around to 

use my chair, Bill had it over at his tent.  



Bill made up for stealing my chair by buying my dinner at MV, a Taco 

Salad.



He kept me up to date on the progress he was making from the time he 

got the idea of buying the Luscombe to soloing it home from PA.



I did not know his daughter.



Could not find any info on the local Gainesville/Ocala/Orlando news, 

papers or TV.



Take care,



john h

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Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 11:39 am Post subject: Bill Herrin

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John Hauck

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
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Location: Titus, Alabama (hauck's holler)

Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 12:18 pm Post subject: Bill Herrin

Gang:



Will tried to post this earlier, but the Kolb List would not accept 

it.



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Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 12:22 pm Post subject: Bill Herrin

I don't know why my posts are bouncing but let me try one more time.

  

 That is just such sad news. He spent the night on his way back from  Monument Valley. Attached are some pictures I took the day he  departed back home.

  

  

Article published Sep 4,  2006 

Small plane plunges into field, kills  2 

  

BY MILLARD K. IVES 

STAR-BANNER 

  

  

Medical examiner Dona Faber, left, Inspector Mike  Mongeluzzo and Deputy Art King examine a plane crash in Marion Oaks off County  Road 484 Sunday. 

MORGAN PETROSKI/STAR-BANNER  

  

MARION OAKS - Two people were killed late  Sunday afternoon after their antique two-seater plane crashed in a peanut  field. 

  

According to a witness, Richard McGinley, the 1946  Luscombe 8A had landed on his family's private airstrip on County Road 484. It  took back off and was about 90 feet in the air when it appeared to  stall. 

  

He said the single-engine plane looked as if it was  trying to turn back to the airstrip when it nose-dived into the  field. 

  

The two unidentified occupants died on the  scene. 

  

"It banked to the left, went down and baboom!," said  McGinley, using his right hand to simulate the  crash. 

  

The medical examiner and Marion County Sheriff's Office  investigators were examining the wreckage of the grey plane, which has blue  stripes, Sunday evening as firefighters stood in the  background. 

  

The plane's wings were left intact but crumpled during  impact. The nose took the brunt of the impact and was partially caved in.  Officials from the Federal Aviation Administration were expected to be on the  scene late Sunday night. 

  

Capt. James Pogue, a Sheriff's Office spokesman, said the  plane is registered in Louisiana. A search on the FAA's Web site  indicated the plane is registered to William D. Herren, of Pineville, La. Officials were still trying late Sunday to  identify the occupants and where they live. 

  

The crash was reported to 911 at about 5:30 p.m. and  occurred just west of Marion Oaks in a giant peanut field, which is about a mile  and a half long. 

  

McGinley, whose family owns the field, said he was eating  dinner in a house in the field, located on the south side of CR 484. He noticed  an unfamiliar plane had landed on his family's private airstrip on the north  side of CR 484. 

  

McGinley said he began to drive to the airstrip. But  before he could reach the plane, it had taken back off. He then saw it crash.  McGinley said when he approached the downed plane, both occupants appeared to be  unconscious. 

  

"I knew there was nothing I could do," McGinley  said. 

  

Millard K. Ives may be reached at  millard.ives(at)starbanner.com or (352)  387-2488.

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APilot(at)webtv.net
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Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 1:26 pm Post subject: Bill Herrin

So sorry to hear about the death of two more people in a Luscombe.  As

some of you know, my Son and one of his students was killed in 2001 in a

Luscombe.  His engine failure was due to fuel starvation when he had

over 1/3 of a tank of fuel.  The FAA is, and has been for years, aware

of this problem in all Luscombes that do not have wing tanks to feed the

fuel to the engine.  What the FAA has done, and will not fix, is publish

an Advisory Circular which requires a decal on the instrument panel

which says something to the effect that all takeoffs are to be made with

carb heat on.  I believe that most of you pilots will agree with me that

this in one stupid AC.  Most of us who fly with passengers or a full

load want all the power that we can get.  Pulling on the carb heat is

not what we do because it cost 100 or more rpms.  Anyway, I strongly

suggest an independent analysis of this recent  accident because the

NTSB, especially in the Atlanta Office, is either incompetent or have

some other agenda than discovering the truth and saving lives. I know

that I sound a little bitter.  How many of you have lost your Son and

best friend and go around happy as a lark?    By the way:

The Advisory Circular is:   A-694  rev. 23

     Vic Gibson (Sacramento)

ruscok

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Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 5:58 pm Post subject: Re: Bill Herrin

Sorry to hear the bad news. Although I did not know Bill, everytime we hear of an aviation accident it hits home to all of us..



Everytime I hear of a aviation accident, I try to learn everything I can from it. We all recently learned of the airline accident in Lexington, KY which intrigued me of how something like that could happen, but we all know it only takes one mistake for things to go bad, which had prompted me to brush up on stalls and load factors and other related items. Recently I came across a very interesting article on a website that I often visit just to read about information. I thought I would share it with all of you, so I attached it. I put it in PDF format so that everyone could view it. If you cant view it, you will have to download adobe acrobat, which is free off from adobes site.Also the website in case you all want to visit it is www.overtheairwaves.com

Again, sorry to hear the bad news...



Kendall

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Russ Kinne

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Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 4:54 am Post subject: Bill Herrin

Will --

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Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 5:29 am Post subject: Bill Herrin

John, from reading the article that you attached, the cause of the crash

was the same as the cause in my Son's fatal accident 5 years ago in a

Luscombe.  Too bad, I know how the family feels. It is truly a

tragedy......my heart goes out to them.

jimhefner

Joined: 11 Jan 2006
Posts: 91
Location: Tucson, AZ

Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 6:44 am Post subject: Re: Bill Herrin

Wow, what shocking and tragic news!!  An even worse tragedy that his daughter was with him at the time.  Bill was a super nice guy.   He will be missed for sure!



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Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 1:27 pm Post subject: Bill Herrin

Sad news, indeed - we all dread seeing these kinds of posts.



My Mark-3 was parked next to Bill's Luscombe at the MV fly-in in May.  I had

only just met Bill at Monument Valley, and he struck me as an ingenious

tinkerer - he had a good idea for almost any design detail we encounter in

building our Kolbs.  



In fact, when he observed how my cheap, knock-off copy of Arizona Dave's

control surface immobilizer (aka, the "spider") was ineffective in the wind,

he shared with me another idea for a compact, lightweight aileron gust lock.

Now, as a small tribute to Bill, I am determined to build the thing, and

then share the idea with all of you when it's done.



Be mindful of the "impossible 180-degree turn" back to the runway, when your

engine quits on takeoff.  There is much literature on this topic out there.



Dennis Kirby

Cedar Crest, NM

biglar

Joined: 14 Jan 2006
Posts: 457

Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 4:46 pm Post subject: Bill Herrin

BJ Moore contacted me and asked me to forward this picture on to the List. 

I edited the pic for size, and here it is.  Bill Herren is on the left, and 

his Luscombe is in the right background.                           Lar.



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Dave Pelletier

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Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 6:01 pm Post subject: Bill Herrin

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Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 8:17 pm Post subject: Bill Herrin

re: 180 degree return to the runway. When we teach sailplane techniques,

we advise the pilot to call, out loud, his altitude on climb out.  If he

is skilled at a 180 degree turn, then he knows exactly when he can make

it back to the runway.  My super, first instructor, Amelia Reid, taught

me how to do it.  My first try was in a Cessna 150, I lost 600 feet to

get it around.  Later, after many, many practices, I got the 150 back to

the runway after a loss of only 100 ft of altutude.  I was able to do

the same 180 degree turn with only a 50 ft loss of altutude in my PA-11

Cub Special.  The point is:  Learn to do the 180 degree turn correctly.

Call out your altitudes on every take off and do not take chances.  If

the engine quits and you have the altitude that you are proficient in

the return to runway procedure; then, by all means land on the runway.

If you do not have the altitude and there is no more runway to land on,

then take your chances and land as the FAA recommends.  The FAA

recommends teaching a pilot to land more or less straignt ahead.

Drrrrr.  They also do not required spin training for a private ticket.

Why not learn techniques to save your life?  Maybe it is not easy, but

is it worth the practice?

Steve Boetto

Joined: 11 Jan 2006
Posts: 365

Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 5:43 am Post subject: Bill Herrin

In a message dated 9/6/2006 2:28:04 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  APilot(at)webtv.net writes:

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recommends teaching a pilot to land more or less straight    ahead.

	


 

 AP,

 I just realized that in the past two years I have not had to land on  anything straight and narrow. The Seaplane Program at Brown's actually do teach  you to approach and land at a significant bank. Seemed odd at first but now  feels normal. I guess in the good old days when airports were a big round field  this was also common.

  

 steve b

 Firefly on floats

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