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nuckollsr(at)cox.net
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Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 11:34 am Post subject: Process

At 11:07 AM 9/6/2006 -0700, you wrote:



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Count me as one who thinks that banning people from the list discloses a 

failure of process. I think there is a clash of styles that destroys the 

exchange of ideas here. Too bad.



My personal style is to state what I believe, and why; and then go away. 

Arrogance comes quite naturally to me. After a while what I believed is 

usually accepted as obvious--I get no credit for it--and that is just 

fine.  I rarely read these bazing disagreements. My Attention Deficit 

Disorder coupled with Time Management skills I think....



Bob--I might have done the same thing. But I think I would have tried to 

avoid having to do it much harder.  These are damned smart guys.


	


    I was of that illusion too . . . the decision did not

    come easy and it took YEARS. However, in the time since folks have

    e-mailed me privately. Some have forwarded copies of e-mails sent

    by George in what I'm sure George believes is a rebuttal of things

    I wrote.  Had his words dealt with simple-ideas and alternative

    ways to assemble them into useful systems, one might properly

    classify his behavior as vigorous debate. In fact much of what

    he writes to others revealed a breadth and depth of dishonor

    I would not have guessed.



    I did not "ban" him, I asked him to leave. If he is an honorable

    person (which recent revelations places in doubt) he will leave

    and make an physical blocking of his membership unnecessary.

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		  "The problem with the world is that only the intelligent people want to be

smarter, and only the good people want to improve."

             - E. Stobblehouse


	


    An admirable sentiment. But if you believe George embraces

    this philosophy, then you've been bamboozled far worse than

    many of us. If you suggesting  any degree of arrogance on

    my part, please note that arrogant folks cut a wide swath through

    any and all individuals or groups who challenge their authority and/or

    ideas.



    All the way through the so-called debates with George we had

    but two debatable issues. (1) He refused to acknowledge a modern alternator

    could experience a gross OV failure in spite of demonstrations

    to the contrary. (2) He brushed aside my oft stated design goals

    for providing seamless integration of his favorite product (the

    IR alternator) into classic aircraft electrical systems. In virtually

    every other point with respect to these fine products, we were in

    absolute agreement and I said so. I've produced dozens of pages of

    explanation for my assertions which he summarily ignored and yet

    he produced not one essay of his own to explain his assertions.



    We did our level best to invite George into the process and

    on his point we disagree . . . the process did not fail.

    He was the one cutting the wide swath while I and others were

    sifting through the noise for any ideas that were attractive,

    i.e. WORTHY of exchange.



    If you believe George has been mis-interpreted then you're welcome

    to produce any article you like to translate George-speak into terms

    that more of us understand. You know the goals: Assemble simple-ideas

    (indisputable fact) into useful inventions. Only then may we compare

    with similar inventions to see which advances the best-we-know-how-to-do.

    At the same time, be mindful of design goals of those who will spend

    $time$ to put these ideas into practice. Use words that inform and

    perhaps entertain. Avoid words that persuade or injure. That my friend

    is "The Process".



    The Process is foolproof. Failures are exclusively assignable

    to individuals who either do not understand or choose not to

    embrace it . . . and that sir, is a demonstrable byproduct

    of arrogance.



    Bob . . .

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willslau(at)alumni.rice.e
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Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 3:30 pm Post subject: Process

Bob,

I think your analogy of operating a classroom is right on the money. Those

who disagree so vehemently with the instructor are free to drop the class,

or even start their own class if they can convince the school. They do not

have the right to disrupt the class for the other folks who have come to

discuss and learn. I'd suggest going ahead with the actual blocking -

getting him off of this list can't happen too soon for me.



William Slaughter

Yes! I'll actually put my name on my posts! 



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