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 Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 1:23 pm Post subject: Plane Choice |
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I am sure we all went through a similar selection process. Here is mine:
http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/vp4skydoc/index.html
But I think you are asking the wrong people why to choose the glass planes. I bet if you went on their lists and ask them they will all be on the other side of the fence. Most of their arguments would center around speed and looks. Those are very valid if they matter more to you than other factors. Take your time and be sure about it...
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David Leonard
Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY
My websites at:
http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/rotaryroster/index.html
http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/vp4skydoc/index.html
http://leonardiniraq.blogspot.com
On 9/23/06, Derek Bohn <ctnyfl(at)yahoo.com (ctnyfl(at)yahoo.com)> wrote: [quote]--> RV-List message posted by: Derek Bohn <ctnyfl(at)yahoo.com (ctnyfl(at)yahoo.com)>
I am trying to choose between these three aircraft. It
is my first time building, and am leaning towards the
fast build versions. In looking at the specifications
on the company websites it seems the
RV is considerably less expensive, yet they all have
similar cabin size, baggage capacity and airspeed. The
Legacy and Glassiar do have more range due to higher
fuel capacity, however I really wouldn't want to go
more than 4 hours without stopping anyway.
So my question basically is, why does anyone choose
the Lancair or Glassair? The Legacy's ROC and
TO/Landing numbers are far worse. The Glassair has
very nice performance, especially considering the
lower hosepower, but not for a 65% premium over the
RV.
Am I missing anything? Building time and complexity
is a factor also, but I haven't found any reliable
information about these.
Financial stability and customer service factors seem
to favor Vans, though , again, that is difficult to
assess.
Thanks
Derek
(no flames intended)
| Quote: | From the company websites:
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RV7a Legacy FG Glassair SII FT
Fast Build Cost
$25,705 $38,500 $42,544
(no slow build avail.)
V Cruise (at) 8000ft.
205mph 220mph 210mph
(200hp, cs prop) (210mph, cs prop) (180mph,?cs prop
Payload(full fuel)
448lb 360lb 596lb
Range (at) 8000ft.
755sm 1450sm 1009sm
Solo ROC
2450fpm 1700fpm 2700fpm
Solo TO/Landing Roll
250/350ft 1500/900ft not lsited
Baggage Capacity
100lb/12 cu. ft. 90lb/ ? cu. ft. 100lb./12 cu.
ft.
Cabin Width"/ Height"
43/ 42 43/44.5 42/ ? height
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LarryRosen
Joined: 16 Jan 2006
Posts: 415
Location: Medford, NJ
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| Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 1:51 pm Post subject: Plane Choice |
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You are asking this question to a group that is biased.
Per David's suggestion as one of the glass planes lists. Here is one
you might try <http://legacyfg.jconserv.net/index.php>. Let us know
what they say and what you decide.
Larry Rosen
RV-10
N205EN (reserved)
David Leonard wrote:
| Quote: | I am sure we all went through a similar selection process. Here is mine:
http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/vp4skydoc/index.html
But I think you are asking the wrong people why to choose the glass
planes. I bet if you went on their lists and ask them they will all
be on the other side of the fence. Most of their arguments would
center around speed and looks. Those are very valid if they matter
more to you than other factors. Take your time and be sure about it...
--
David Leonard
Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY
My websites at:
http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/rotaryroster/index.html
http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/vp4skydoc/index.html
http://leonardiniraq.blogspot.com
On 9/23/06, *Derek Bohn* <ctnyfl(at)yahoo.com <mailto:ctnyfl(at)yahoo.com>>
wrote:
<mailto:ctnyfl(at)yahoo.com>>
I am trying to choose between these three aircraft. It
is my first time building, and am leaning towards the
fast build versions. In looking at the specifications
on the company websites it seems the
RV is considerably less expensive, yet they all have
similar cabin size, baggage capacity and airspeed. The
Legacy and Glassiar do have more range due to higher
fuel capacity, however I really wouldn't want to go
more than 4 hours without stopping anyway.
So my question basically is, why does anyone choose
the Lancair or Glassair? The Legacy's ROC and
TO/Landing numbers are far worse. The Glassair has
very nice performance, especially considering the
lower hosepower, but not for a 65% premium over the
RV.
Am I missing anything? Building time and complexity
is a factor also, but I haven't found any reliable
information about these.
Financial stability and customer service factors seem
to favor Vans, though , again, that is difficult to
assess.
Thanks
Derek
(no flames intended)
>From the company websites:
RV7a Legacy FG Glassair SII FT
Fast Build Cost
$25,705 $38,500 $42,544
(no slow build avail.)
V Cruise (at) 8000ft.
205mph 220mph 210mph
(200hp, cs prop) (210mph, cs prop) (180mph,?cs prop
Payload(full fuel)
448lb 360lb 596lb
Range (at) 8000ft.
755sm 1450sm 1009sm
Solo ROC
2450fpm 1700fpm 2700fpm
Solo TO/Landing Roll
250/350ft 1500/900ft not lsited
Baggage Capacity
100lb/12 cu. ft. 90lb/ ? cu. ft. 100lb./12 cu.
ft.
Cabin Width"/ Height"
43/ 42 43/44.5 42/ ? height
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jjessen
Joined: 22 Apr 2006
Posts: 285
Location: OR
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| Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 11:01 am Post subject: Plane Choice |
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Well, I think the question should be one sent to this list, but sent also to
all the other lists. Why not get totally confused!
Before making the decision to go the RV-7, then the RV-10, I test flew
everything I could. I flew the Lancair IV and ES. I flew the Velocity, the
Glasair SII, the Glastar and Sportsman. I flew the RV-7, RV-9 and finally
the RV-10. I even flew the SeaRay (sp).
I eventually went the RV route because of all the targets that they hit with
the design, and because of the enormous wealth of experience in the builder
community. The latter is matched by Lancair, but not by any of the others,
IMHO.
In the end, I also got put off by the high cost of the glass planes. I
could afford one, but why? I am not one to build for looks or for speed
alone. I wanted utility and reasonable speed. The RV gives one that, as
well as ease in building, especially now that they have come up the ages and
have reasonable plans. The continued use of baggies or paper bags is odd,
but whatever. The plans do what they say they are supposed to, are easy
(relative to each one's ability) to build and fly.
But.... you've got to decide what is your over riding decision factor.
Looks? Speed? Building ease? Insurance? Flying capabilities? Building
climate?
If you do it like I did, then list all the reasons you'd go out and buy a
plane, any plane. These are your typical mission and cost of ownership
specifications. Then list all the build issues. Tools needed, temperature
during the winter, allergies, sound levels, previous experience, builder
community, factory experience, support, cleanliness, parts availability, on
and on. Then list all the intangibles. Looks, ramp appeal, fighter pilot
feel. Put all these into a spreadsheet. Now, before you fly, rate each one
on a 3-point scale. 1 = not important to 5 = very important. No 0's
allowed. Everything must have an importance score. Then go fly and
interview the heck out of the folks at each manufacturer.
Come back and rank your experiences on each of the items after flying and
your interviews. For me the Lancair IV got a 5 for fun flying, and the RV-7
got a 4. The RV-10 got a middle of the road 3, whereas the C-182 that I was
flying at the time got a 2. The Lancair got a 2 for ingress and egress,
whereas the C-182 got a 4. The RV-10 got another 3, as did the RV-7, but
the Glasair got a 1. And so on.
These scores get multiplied by their importance factor. Then all the ranked
scores for each plane get added and an average taken. It's surprising how
it all turns out. Usually it's about what you were leaning for, but
sometimes.....
Those are the times you got to go open a cold one and picture yourself
opening the hanger and looking at you baby. What do you see there? Write
the name down on a piece of paper and go call to place your order.
John Jessen
RV-10 tailcone
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