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Mark Phillips in TN

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 431
Location: Columbia, TN

Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 9:54 am Post subject: Stick Transfer function

Howdy again-

  

 Thanks to all who offered suggestions for the lighted, engraved rocker switches- now have two sources, Pacific/Gulf Coast and Aerocraft.

  

 Next question.  I am investigating how to swap all stick switch functions from L to R (Infinity grip) by some reliable, safe means.  About 8 wires minimum (4-way trim, CWS, PTT, gnd).  I would prefer a simple switch as opposed to using relays (4PDTx2) but I'm beginning to think there is no source for an 8PDT switch.  

  

 Any suggestions or am I barking up the wrong tree and there's a simpler way to do this?

  

 THANKS!

 Mark Phillips do not archive

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retasker(at)optonline.net
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Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 11:47 am Post subject: Stick Transfer function

I don't think you are going to find a toggle with that many poles.  

However, assuming that you really want to do this, a rotary switch would 

do what you want with no problem.  You would almost assuredly have to 

solder to it as finding a switch with that many poles with screw 

connections is unlikely nowadays.



Try Mouser #690-C4D0806N-A  

(http://www.mouser.com/search/refine.aspx?Ntt=690-C4D0806N-A) for example.



Dick Tasker



Fiveonepw(at)aol.com wrote:



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		   Howdy again-

  

 Thanks to all who offered suggestions for the lighted, engraved rocker 

 switches- now have two sources, Pacific/Gulf Coast and Aerocraft.

  

 Next question.  I am investigating how to swap all stick switch 

 functions from L to R (Infinity grip) by some reliable, safe means.  

 About 8 wires minimum (4-way trim, CWS, PTT, gnd).  I would prefer a 

 simple switch as opposed to using relays (4PDTx2) but I'm beginning to 

 think there is no source for an 8PDT switch. 

  

 Any suggestions or am I barking up the wrong tree and there's a 

 simpler way to do this?

  

 THANKS!

 Mark Phillips do not archive



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rvbuilder(at)sausen.net
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Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 12:51 pm Post subject: Stick Transfer function

As far as trim functions go you can look into something like this:

 

   

http://www.f1-rocketboy.com/tcm.html  

   

Michael Sausen  

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 Subject: Stick Transfer function  

  

  

     

Howdy again-  

    

   

    

Thanks to all who offered suggestions for the lighted, engraved rocker switches- now have two sources, Pacific/Gulf Coast and Aerocraft.  

    

   

    

Next question.  I am investigating how to swap all stick switch functions from L to R (Infinity grip) by some reliable, safe means.  About 8 wires minimum (4-way trim, CWS, PTT, gnd).  I would prefer a simple switch as opposed to using relays (4PDTx2) but I'm beginning to think there is no source for an 8PDT switch.    

    

   

    

Any suggestions or am I barking up the wrong tree and there's a simpler way to do this?  

    

   

    

THANKS!  

    

Mark Phillips do not archive  

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Bill Schlatterer

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 195

Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 6:57 pm Post subject: Stick Transfer function

Mark, have you looked at  these.  I have them but not yet flying but they appear to work fine.   No need to swap, the pilots always overrides the CP and you can shut off the the  CP if you like.  Also has dual speed and runaway trim control.  Only  handles 4 trim circuits.  

  

 http://www.f1-rocketboy.com/pcm.htm

  

 Bill S

 7a Ark 

  

 

 

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Subject: Stick Transfer  function

 

 Howdy again-

  

 Thanks to all who offered suggestions for the lighted, engraved rocker  switches- now have two sources, Pacific/Gulf Coast and Aerocraft.

  

 Next question.  I am investigating how to swap all stick  switch functions from L to R (Infinity grip) by some reliable, safe means.   About 8 wires minimum (4-way trim, CWS, PTT, gnd).  I would prefer a simple  switch as opposed to using relays (4PDTx2) but I'm beginning to think there  is no source for an 8PDT switch.  

  

 Any suggestions or am I barking up the wrong tree and there's a simpler way  to do this?

  

 THANKS!

 Mark Phillips do not archive

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RobHickman(at)aol.com
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Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 8:37 pm Post subject: Stick Transfer function

With the standard Ray  Allen servo relays you can connect all the buttons you want to the servo.   This is also the case with Van's flap relay deck for the  flaps. 

  

  

I have trim and flaps  connected to the front and rear stick in my RV-4 and it has worked for 7 years  without any problems. 

  

Why worry about the  rear seat person pressing the button also?  If they can press the button  they can also grab the stick and that is a worse problem.  I have flown  with my kids since they were 5 years old and it has never been a  problem. 

  

The only problem that  I have ever had with a rear seat passenger in 500 hours was when a 14 year old  girl on a Young Eagles flight accidentally unbuckled and then had a panic fit  about it. I finally managed to calm her down enough and reach around and buckle  the lap belt. 

  

Rob Hickman 

N401RH    RV-4

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chaztuna(at)adelphia.net
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Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2006 4:52 pm Post subject: Stick Transfer function

Mark,

  I wanted to have the same "absolute" control myself. I settled for using a four pole, double throw switch to control the electric trim and a three pole, double throw switch for the flaps. Center position of each switch is OFF, in case of a runaway. PPT can be handled by most intercom systems. I went with the RAC G307 grip, because it's 15 amp rated hat switch eliminates the need for trim servo relays.  I've got AutoCAD schematics of both my Flap and Electric trim circuits. I'd be happy to send them to you, if you like.

  The switch part numbers are on the CAD drawings.  I used the same Carling Technologies switches that B&C, Waytek Wire and others sell. I think I bought them from Mouser.

 Charlie Kuss



 

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 Next question.  I am investigating how to swap all stick switch functions from L to R (Infinity grip) by some reliable, safe means.  About 8 wires minimum (4-way trim, CWS, PTT, gnd).  I would prefer a simple switch as opposed to using relays (4PDTx2) but I'm beginning to think there is no source for an 8PDT switch.  

  

 Any suggestions or am I barking up the wrong tree and there's a simpler way to do this?

  

 THANKS!



 

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michele.delsol(at)microsi
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Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 9:48 am Post subject: Stick Transfer function

With a tandem arrangement, dual control seems to require relays, both for flaps and for trims. I went for the RAC relays on the trims, a relay board from Aircraft Extras for the flaps. The neat part is that it is simple to isolate the rear pilot seat trims and flaps since the use of relays is based on connecting to ground. By isolating the rear pilot switch from ground, rear pilot trims and flap controls become inoperative.  

   

Michele  

RV8 Fuselage  

         

  

From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charlie Kuss

 Sent: samedi 30 septembre 2006 02:44

 To: rv-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: Stick Transfer function  

  

   

Mark,

  I wanted to have the same "absolute" control myself. I settled for using a four pole, double throw switch to control the electric trim and a three pole, double throw switch for the flaps. Center position of each switch is OFF, in case of a runaway. PPT can be handled by most intercom systems. I went with the RAC G307 grip, because it's 15 amp rated hat switch eliminates the need for trim servo relays.  I've got AutoCAD schematics of both my Flap and Electric trim circuits. I'd be happy to send them to you, if you like.

  The switch part numbers are on the CAD drawings.  I used the same Carling Technologies switches that B&C, Waytek Wire and others sell. I think I bought them from Mouser.

 Charlie Kuss

 

 

 

   

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 Any suggestions or am I barking up the wrong tree and there's a simpler way to do this?

  

 THANKS!

 

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chaztuna(at)adelphia.net
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Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 5:01 am Post subject: Stick Transfer function

Michele,

  For MOST stick grips, your statement below is true. However, RAC's newest grips, the G305 and G307 series, have hat switches which are rated at 15 amps. This negates the need for relays, and simplifies wiring. Most other grips use hat switches with a 1 amp rating.

 Charlie Kuss



 

 [quote] With a tandem arrangement, dual control seems to require relays, both for flaps and for trims. I went for the RAC relays on the trims, a relay board from Aircraft Extras for the flaps. The neat part is that it is simple to isolate the rear pilot seat trims and flaps since the use of relays is based on connecting to ground. By isolating the rear pilot switch from ground, rear pilot trims and flap controls become inoperative.

  

 Michele

 RV8 Fuselage

  

  

 From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [ mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Charlie Kuss

 Sent: samedi 30 septembre 2006 02:44

 To: rv-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: Stick Transfer function

  

 Mark,

  I wanted to have the same "absolute" control myself. I settled for using a four pole, double throw switch to control the electric trim and a three pole, double throw switch for the flaps. Center position of each switch is OFF, in case of a runaway. PPT can be handled by most intercom systems. I went with the RAC G307 grip, because it's 15 amp rated hat switch eliminates the need for trim servo relays.  I've got AutoCAD schematics of both my Flap and Electric trim circuits. I'd be happy to send them to you, if you like.

  The switch part numbers are on the CAD drawings.  I used the same Carling Technologies switches that B&C, Waytek Wire and others sell. I think I bought them from Mouser.

 Charlie Kuss



 



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 Next question.  I am investigating how to swap all stick switch functions from L to R (Infinity grip) by some reliable, safe means.  About 8 wires minimum (4-way trim, CWS, PTT, gnd).  I would prefer a simple switch as opposed to using relays (4PDTx2) but I'm beginning to think there is no source for an 8PDT switch.  

  

 Any suggestions or am I barking up the wrong tree and there's a simpler way to do this?

  

 THANKS!



 

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