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dlm34077
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 Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2015 6:24 pm Post subject: airworthiness documentation |
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What documents support airworthiness on an experimental aircraft? On the trip to KOSH I had a bird strike on landing (KDUX) in the right fuselage-wing intersection fairing. I ended up with a bit of stretched aluminum. Today I encountered the insurance adjustor who wanted to see the aircraft logbooks, my logbook (only number 6), my licenses (plus medical), the registration and the airworthiness paper. I had an aircraft log where the DAR had inspected and signed as airworthy and my signature signed for completion of phase one. Also in the aircraft documents I found an (DAR signed) 8130-6 and a checklist by the DAR again declaring it airworthy. All signatures were dated 4/1/2008. The online aircraft records also an airworthiness date of 4/1/2008. The insurance adjustor seemed to think that a separate card was required as is required for standard airworthiness. Since nobody I called seemed to know, I started taking opinions. Two IAs offered that “I don’ know” and “card is definitely not required”. EAA said it was definitely required but when the 20 something started to lecture me on ARROW I wrote off his opinion. Does anyone flying an RV10 have a post card from the FAA with airworthiness on it? It has been my understanding that the operating limitations and the logbook signoffs were sufficient for E-AB.
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| Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2015 6:44 pm Post subject: airworthiness documentation |
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On 7/29/2015 10:21 PM, David wrote:
| Quote: | Today I encountered the insurance adjustor who wanted to see the
aircraft logbooks, my logbook (only number 6), my licenses (plus
medical), the registration and the airworthiness paper.
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I think he wants to see the postcard sized paper that is your
Airworthiness Certificate and the associated Operating Limitations (mine
are about 3 pages of typed sheets of paper). Both of these are required
to be in the aircraft and visible, so most end up putting them in a
clear plastic pouch of sorts and attaching them to the inside of the
fuselage wall somewhere.
-Dj
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Dave Saylor
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| Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2015 6:46 pm Post subject: airworthiness documentation |
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The DAR should have issued a Certificate of Airworthiness. It's pink (fades to gray...), same size as the standard cert.
You can get a replacement from the FSDO. Fill out a form and they'll send you one.
--Dave
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What documents support airworthiness on an experimental aircraft? On the trip to KOSH I had a bird strike on landing (KDUX) in the right fuselage-wing intersection fairing. I ended up with a bit of stretched aluminum. Today I encountered the insurance adjustor who wanted to see the aircraft logbooks, my logbook (only number 6), my licenses (plus medical), the registration and the airworthiness paper. I had an aircraft log where the DAR had inspected and signed as airworthy and my signature signed for completion of phase one. Also in the aircraft documents I found an (DAR signed) 8130-6 and a checklist by the DAR again declaring it airworthy. All signatures were dated 4/1/2008. The online aircraft records also an airworthiness date of 4/1/2008. The insurance adjustor seemed to think that a separate card was required as is required for standard airworthiness. Since nobody I called seemed to know, I started taking opinions. Two IAs offered that “I don’ know” and “card is definitely not required”. EAA said it was definitely required but when the 20 something started to lecture me on ARROW I wrote off his opinion. Does anyone flying an RV10 have a post card from the FAA with airworthiness on it? It has been my understanding that the operating limitations and the logbook signoffs were sufficient for E-AB.
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| Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2015 6:50 pm Post subject: airworthiness documentation |
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Sorry to hear about the damage.
Yes you need an airworthiness certificate—not the 8130-6 but an 8130-7. You also need your operating limitations (a few page 8-1/2 x 11 sized document) .
It won’t be a standard airworthiness certificate, but a special airworthiness certificate with an experimental category. Attached is an example, albeit it from 1980, it’s still the same today. I blacked out the info to protect the guilty.
One other thing to consider is the registration expiration — if it was registered in April 2008, the five year term may have been up a couple months ago.
Best,
-Jim
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What documents support airworthiness on an experimental aircraft? On the trip to KOSH I had a bird strike on landing (KDUX) in the right fuselage-wing intersection fairing. I ended up with a bit of stretched aluminum. Today I encountered the insurance adjustor who wanted to see the aircraft logbooks, my logbook (only number 6), my licenses (plus medical), the registration and the airworthiness paper. I had an aircraft log where the DAR had inspected and signed as airworthy and my signature signed for completion of phase one. Also in the aircraft documents I found an (DAR signed) 8130-6 and a checklist by the DAR again declaring it airworthy. All signatures were dated 4/1/2008. The online aircraft records also an airworthiness date of 4/1/2008. The insurance adjustor seemed to think that a separate card was required as is required for standard airworthiness. Since nobody I called seemed to know, I started taking opinions. Two IAs offered that “I don’ know” and “card is definitely not required”. EAA said it was definitely required but when the 20 something started to lecture me on ARROW I wrote off his opinion. Does anyone flying an RV10 have a post card from the FAA with airworthiness on it? It has been my understanding that the operating limitations and the logbook signoffs were sufficient for E-AB.
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| Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2015 9:09 pm Post subject: airworthiness documentation |
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The airplane must have a Special Airworthiness Certificate (peach colored card) and Operating Limitations (Phase I and Phase II flit restrictions) as well as the other documents you mentioned you have. It obviously had one, so it would be a matter of finding it or getting a new one from the local FSDO.
Jesse Saint
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On Jul 29, 2015, at 10:21 PM, David <dlm34077(at)cox.net (dlm34077(at)cox.net)> wrote:
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What documents support airworthiness on an experimental aircraft? On the trip to KOSH I had a bird strike on landing (KDUX) in the right fuselage-wing intersection fairing. I ended up with a bit of stretched aluminum. Today I encountered the insurance adjustor who wanted to see the aircraft logbooks, my logbook (only number 6), my licenses (plus medical), the registration and the airworthiness paper. I had an aircraft log where the DAR had inspected and signed as airworthy and my signature signed for completion of phase one. Also in the aircraft documents I found an (DAR signed) 8130-6 and a checklist by the DAR again declaring it airworthy. All signatures were dated 4/1/2008. The online aircraft records also an airworthiness date of 4/1/2008. The insurance adjustor seemed to think that a separate card was required as is required for standard airworthiness. Since nobody I called seemed to know, I started taking opinions. Two IAs offered that “I don’ know” and “card is definitely not required”. EAA said it was definitely required but when the 20 something started to lecture me on ARROW I wrote off his opinion. Does anyone flying an RV10 have a post card from the FAA with airworthiness on it? It has been my understanding that the operating limitations and the logbook signoffs were sufficient for E-AB.
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