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				 Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 11:26 am    Post subject: Yak-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 01/10/18 | 
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				Ok Gang, need to plumb the knowledge banks to track and fix a Nanchang air leak. Both main and emergency tanks leak down to 21 ATMs overnight with air valves closed. All pressures pump up and fill normally after start. No audible air leaks noted, first problem in 20 years of ownership. New Emergency tank was installed last month during annual...(note: old emergency tank would leak out completely overnight). Firewall check valves were replaced about 6 years ago, Doug Sapp stainless air valve put into main air valve maybe 5 years. Where to start? 
 
 Skip Slyfield
 N75480
 
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  From: "Jill Gernetzke" <jill(at)m-14p.com (jill(at)m-14p.com)>
  Subject: Starting coil wire  (Jesus Sagastuy)
  
  
  Jesus,
  
  We fabricate custom booster coil wires with conduits and aircraft ignition
  wire.  Contact me offlist, if you are interested.
  
  
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				 Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 11:48 am    Post subject: Yak-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 01/10/18 | 
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				I would start at firewall check valves next to start solenoid first.  Inspect and re-build.
 
 Hoot
 
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 On Jan 12, 2018, at 2:26 PM, Frederick Slyfield <norske.fly(at)gmail.com (norske.fly(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
 [quote]Ok Gang, need to plumb the knowledge banks to track and fix a Nanchang air leak. Both main and emergency tanks leak down to 21 ATMs overnight with air valves closed. All pressures pump up and fill normally after start. No audible air leaks noted, first problem in 20 years of ownership. New Emergency tank was installed last month during annual...(note: old emergency tank would leak out completely overnight). Firewall check valves were replaced about 6 years ago, Doug Sapp stainless air valve put into main air valve maybe 5 years. Where to start? 
 
 Skip Slyfield
 N75480
 
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  Subject: Starting coil wire  (Jesus Sagastuy)
  
  
  Jesus,
  
  We fabricate custom booster coil wires with conduits and aircraft ignition
  wire.  Contact me offlist, if you are interested.
  
  
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  M-14P, Inc.
  4905 Flightline Drive
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				 Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 11:52 am    Post subject: Yak-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 01/10/18 | 
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				Skip,
  
 
      Check the snot valve on the belly of the airplane, most likely not closed all the way or very small leak do to corrosion.
  
 
  Munch
 
  
 
  
  In a message dated 1/12/2018 12:48:42 PM US Mountain Standard Time, norske.fly(at)gmail.com writes: 
 
   [quote] Ok Gang, need to plumb the knowledge banks to track and fix a Nanchang air leak. Both main and emergency tanks leak down to 21 ATMs overnight with air valves closed. All pressures pump up and fill normally after start. No audible air leaks noted, first problem in 20 years of ownership. New Emergency tank was installed last month during annual..(note: old emergency tank would leak out completely overnight). Firewall check valves were replaced about 6 years ago, Doug Sapp stainless air valve put into main air valve maybe 5 years. Where to start?  
 
  
 
  Skip Slyfield
  N75480On Thursday, January 11, 2018, Yak-List Digest Server <yak-list(at)matronics.com (yak-list(at)matronics.com)> wrote: [quote]*   =========================    Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive  =========================  Today's complete Yak-List Digest can also be found in either of the two Web Links listed below.  The .html file includes the Digest formatted in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes and Message Navigation.  The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version of the Yak-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor such as Notepad or with a web browser.  HTML Version:      jill(at)m-14p.com (jill(at)m-14p.com)> Subject: Starting coil wire  (Jesus Sagastuy)   Jesus,  We fabricate custom booster coil wires with conduits and aircraft ignition wire.  Contact me offlist, if you are interested.   Jill M-14P, Inc. 4905 Flightline Drive Kingman, AZ  86401 928-681-4400 www.m-14p.com   --
 
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				 Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 12:33 pm    Post subject: Yak-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 01/10/18 | 
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				Skip,
 I would go back to the check valves on the firewall firstsince both main 
 and emergency are leaking down.� 5-6 years without a check valve problem 
 is excellent.� But as we all know, they do not last indefinitely.� Might 
 be a good idea to bite the bullet and rebuild all of them and be done 
 with it.
 Dennis
 
 A. Dennis Savarese
 334-546-8182 (mobile)
 www.yak-52.com
 Skype - Yakguy1
 
 On 1/12/2018 2:26 PM, Frederick Slyfield wrote:
 [quote] Ok Gang, need to plumb the knowledge banks to track and fix a Nanchang 
  air leak. Both main and emergency tanks leak down to 21 ATMs overnight 
  with air valves closed. All pressures pump up and fill normally after 
  start. No audible air leaks noted, first problem in 20 years of 
  ownership. New Emergency tank was installed last month during 
  annual...(note: old emergency tank would leak out completely 
  overnight). Firewall check valves were replaced about 6 years ago, 
  Doug Sapp stainless air valve put into main air valve maybe 5 years. 
  Where to start?
  Skip Slyfield
  N75480
 
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      Subject: Starting coil wire� (Jesus Sagastuy)
      Jesus,
 
      We fabricate custom booster coil wires with conduits and aircraft
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      wire.� Contact me offlist, if you are interested.
      Jill
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				 Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 2:43 pm    Post subject: Yak-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 01/10/18 | 
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				I have the same problem on our CJ, although it’s just the emergency tank that bleeds off to about 30 atmospheres after a week of sitting. In the past, overhauling the starboard firewall check valves solved the problem, but not now. So, it would seem that source of the slow leak could be the emergency shutoff valve, the emergency gauge or the air line serving both. 
 
 Because the emergency tank immediately recharges upon starting, I’ve been too lazy to pursue it, reasoning that I’ll deal with at annual. Shame on me.
 
 Blitz Fox415-307-2405
 
 
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 Skip,
 I would go back to the check valves on the firewall firstsince both main and emergency are leaking down.� 5-6 years without a check valve problem is excellent.� But as we all know, they do not last indefinitely.� Might be a good idea to bite the bullet and rebuild all of them and be done with it.
 Dennis
 
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 www.yak-52.com
 Skype - Yakguy1
 
 On 1/12/2018 2:26 PM, Frederick Slyfield wrote:
 [quote]Ok Gang, need to plumb the knowledge banks to track and fix a Nanchang air leak. Both main and emergency tanks leak down to 21 ATMs overnight with air valves closed. All pressures pump up and fill normally after start. No audible air leaks noted, first problem in 20 years of ownership. New Emergency tank was installed last month during annual...(note: old emergency tank would leak out completely overnight). Firewall check valves were replaced about 6 years ago, Doug Sapp stainless air valve put into main air valve maybe 5 years. Where to start?
 Skip Slyfield
 N75480
 
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     Subject: Yak-List: Starting coil wire� (Jesus Sagastuy)
     Jesus,
 
     We fabricate custom booster coil wires with conduits and aircraft
     ignition
     wire.� Contact me offlist, if you are interested.
     Jill
     M-14P, Inc.
     4905 Flightline Drive
     Kingman, AZ� 86401
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				 Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 6:26 am    Post subject: Yak-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 01/10/18 | 
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				The firewall check valves do not last forever! Yes the housing is fine and I suspect the spring might be also but inside these valves are also a round/flat rubber disc that can still go bad. Get a few rebuild kits from Doug and start with the check valves on right side of firewall above the starter solenoid. 6 years is a long time I believe between rebuild of the valves especially if your adding air tool oil or castor oil to your system. They can get gunked up and they are under a lot of pressure constantly.
 
 On Jan 12, 2018 13:30, "Frederick Slyfield" <norske.fly(at)gmail.com (norske.fly(at)gmail.com)> wrote:[quote]Ok Gang, need to plumb the knowledge banks to track and fix a Nanchang air leak. Both main and emergency tanks leak down to 21 ATMs overnight with air valves closed. All pressures pump up and fill normally after start. No audible air leaks noted, first problem in 20 years of ownership. New Emergency tank was installed last month during annual...(note: old emergency tank would leak out completely overnight). Firewall check valves were replaced about 6 years ago, Doug Sapp stainless air valve put into main air valve maybe 5 years. Where to start? 
 
 Skip Slyfield
 N75480
 
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  Subject: Starting coil wire  (Jesus Sagastuy)
  
  
  Jesus,
  
  We fabricate custom booster coil wires with conduits and aircraft ignition
  wire.  Contact me offlist, if you are interested.
  
  
  Jill
  M-14P, Inc.
  4905 Flightline Drive
  Kingman, AZ  86401
  [url=tel:(928)%20681-4400]928-681-4400[/url]
  www.m-14p.com
  
  
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				 Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 6:32 am    Post subject: Yak-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 01/10/18 | 
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				Oh yes another thing, the seat in the main air valve I don't believe is stainless, just the pin. Again, these are old systems and a lot of gunk can gets floating around. It doesn't take much for something to get caught under a rubber disk in the check valves or under the seat of a shut-off valve.
 
 On Jan 12, 2018 13:30, "Frederick Slyfield" <norske.fly(at)gmail.com (norske.fly(at)gmail.com)> wrote:[quote]Ok Gang, need to plumb the knowledge banks to track and fix a Nanchang air leak. Both main and emergency tanks leak down to 21 ATMs overnight with air valves closed. All pressures pump up and fill normally after start. No audible air leaks noted, first problem in 20 years of ownership. New Emergency tank was installed last month during annual...(note: old emergency tank would leak out completely overnight). Firewall check valves were replaced about 6 years ago, Doug Sapp stainless air valve put into main air valve maybe 5 years. Where to start? 
 
 Skip Slyfield
 N75480
 
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  Subject: Starting coil wire  (Jesus Sagastuy)
  
  
  Jesus,
  
  We fabricate custom booster coil wires with conduits and aircraft ignition
  wire.  Contact me offlist, if you are interested.
  
  
  Jill
  M-14P, Inc.
  4905 Flightline Drive
  Kingman, AZ  86401
  [url=tel:(928)%20681-4400]928-681-4400[/url]
  www.m-14p.com
  
  
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