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Can the group tell me whether SAE J30R7 50psi made by continental is acceptable as a fuel line. It says it is fuel/emission.
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Im guessing it is, but it is a good deal more flexible than the stuff i originally fitted in colombia.
Will
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| Posted: Sat Jun 01, 2019 11:31 am Post subject: Re: Fuel line |
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Hello Will
This might be useful, it gives explanations the various grades....
http://www.volksbolts.com/faq/fuelhose.htm
Regards
David
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freddythek10(at)gmail.com
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| Posted: Sat Jun 01, 2019 1:55 pm Post subject: Fuel line |
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Will,
FWIW, I’ve used R9 hose aft of the firewall which is Teflon lined and intended for fuel-injected automotive engines burning fuel with ethanol added.
Fred
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Depends what fuel you intend to use. If you intend to use Mogas with ethanol you need SAE J30 14R fuel pipe. 9R will do but it is intended for fuel injected, high pressure applications so it is stiffer and harder to get on the connection barbs. Gates Barricade hose, available in the USA, is probably the best available with the added benefit of being designed for low vapour emission standards so you get far less fuel smell in the cockpit.
Brian Davies
From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of William Daniell
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Subject: Fuel line
Can the group tell me whether SAE J30R7 50psi made by continental is acceptable as a fuel line. It says it is fuel/emission.
Please.
Im guessing it is, but it is a good deal more flexible than the stuff i originally fitted in colombia.
Will
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peterz(at)zutrasoft.com
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| Posted: Sat Jun 01, 2019 2:11 pm Post subject: Fuel line |
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Hopefully its also carbon impregnated to avoid static induced pin holes, typical in teflon.
Cheers,
Pete
On Jun 1, 2019, at 5:54 PM, Fred Klein <freddythek10(at)gmail.com (freddythek10(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
| Quote: | Will,
FWIW, I’ve used R9 hose aft of the firewall which is Teflon lined and intended for fuel-injected automotive engines burning fuel with ethanol added.
Fred
A194
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On Jun 1, 2019, at 12:07 PM, Brian Davies <brian.davies44(at)gmail.com (brian.davies44(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
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Depends what fuel you intend to use. If you intend to use Mogas with ethanol you need SAE J30 14R fuel pipe. 9R will do but it is intended for fuel injected, high pressure applications so it is stiffer and harder to get on the connection barbs. Gates Barricade hose, available in the USA, is probably the best available with the added benefit of being designed for low vapour emission standards so you get far less fuel smell in the cockpit.
Brian Davies
From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of William Daniell
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To: europa-list(at)matronics.com (europa-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Fuel line
Can the group tell me whether SAE J30R7 50psi made by continental is acceptable as a fuel line. It says it is fuel/emission.
Please.
Im guessing it is, but it is a good deal more flexible than the stuff i originally fitted in colombia.
Will
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freddythek10(at)gmail.com
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| Posted: Sat Jun 01, 2019 2:31 pm Post subject: Fuel line |
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I *assume* it would be carbon impregnated unless “static induced pinholes” are aviation-related and not a risk factor for automotive-related use...I don’t have the specs for R9 hose handy.
Fred
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On Jun 1, 2019, at 3:11 PM, Pete <peterz(at)zutrasoft.com (peterz(at)zutrasoft.com)> wrote:
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Hopefully its also carbon impregnated to avoid static induced pin holes, typical in teflon.
Cheers,
Pete
On Jun 1, 2019, at 5:54 PM, Fred Klein <freddythek10(at)gmail.com (freddythek10(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
| Quote: | Will,
FWIW, I’ve used R9 hose aft of the firewall which is Teflon lined and intended for fuel-injected automotive engines burning fuel with ethanol added.
Fred
A194
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 1, 2019, at 12:07 PM, Brian Davies <brian.davies44(at)gmail.com (brian.davies44(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
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Depends what fuel you intend to use. If you intend to use Mogas with ethanol you need SAE J30 14R fuel pipe. 9R will do but it is intended for fuel injected, high pressure applications so it is stiffer and harder to get on the connection barbs. Gates Barricade hose, available in the USA, is probably the best available with the added benefit of being designed for low vapour emission standards so you get far less fuel smell in the cockpit.
Brian Davies
From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of William Daniell
Sent: 01 June 2019 16:03
To: europa-list(at)matronics.com (europa-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Fuel line
Can the group tell me whether SAE J30R7 50psi made by continental is acceptable as a fuel line. It says it is fuel/emission.
Please.
Im guessing it is, but it is a good deal more flexible than the stuff i originally fitted in colombia.
Will
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aircraftspecialty(at)gmai
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| Posted: Sat Jun 01, 2019 5:19 pm Post subject: Fuel line |
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There are a lot of Teflon hoses that are not conductive. There are a few very high quality hoses and others that are not so much.
We fabricate thousands of hoses annually for the experimental aircraft community. If anyone has any questions on prefabricated hose assemblies or do it yourself lines, we will be happy to help you find a high quality product that fits your budget.
Take care and happy building
Steve
Www.aircraftspecialty.com
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On Jun 1, 2019, at 5:30 PM, Fred Klein <freddythek10(at)gmail.com (freddythek10(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
| Quote: | I *assume* it would be carbon impregnated unless “static induced pinholes” are aviation-related and not a risk factor for automotive-related use...I don’t have the specs for R9 hose handy.
Fred
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 1, 2019, at 3:11 PM, Pete <peterz(at)zutrasoft.com (peterz(at)zutrasoft.com)> wrote:
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Hopefully its also carbon impregnated to avoid static induced pin holes, typical in teflon.
Cheers,
Pete
On Jun 1, 2019, at 5:54 PM, Fred Klein <freddythek10(at)gmail.com (freddythek10(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
| Quote: | Will,
FWIW, I’ve used R9 hose aft of the firewall which is Teflon lined and intended for fuel-injected automotive engines burning fuel with ethanol added.
Fred
A194
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 1, 2019, at 12:07 PM, Brian Davies <brian.davies44(at)gmail.com (brian.davies44(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
| Quote: | v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} <![endif]--> <![endif]--> <![endif]-->
Depends what fuel you intend to use. If you intend to use Mogas with ethanol you need SAE J30 14R fuel pipe. 9R will do but it is intended for fuel injected, high pressure applications so it is stiffer and harder to get on the connection barbs. Gates Barricade hose, available in the USA, is probably the best available with the added benefit of being designed for low vapour emission standards so you get far less fuel smell in the cockpit.
Brian Davies
From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of William Daniell
Sent: 01 June 2019 16:03
To: europa-list(at)matronics.com (europa-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Fuel line
Can the group tell me whether SAE J30R7 50psi made by continental is acceptable as a fuel line. It says it is fuel/emission.
Please.
Im guessing it is, but it is a good deal more flexible than the stuff i originally fitted in colombia.
Will
William Daniell
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| Posted: Sun Jun 02, 2019 4:03 am Post subject: Fuel line |
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One thing never mentioned by any poster is the permitivity of fuel lines. Early on Europas, as far as I recollect, smelled always like fuel. This was due to the higher pemitivity of the R7 fuel lines. Then later on this email list we discovered that the R9 apparently had been fluoridated or other methods applied which reduced the permitivity by a lot and the smell inside the cockpit is reduced.
Best regards
Michael Grass
On Jun 1, 2019, at 5:54 PM, Fred Klein <freddythek10(at)gmail.com (freddythek10(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
| Quote: | Will,
FWIW, I’ve used R9 hose aft of the firewall which is Teflon lined and intended for fuel-injected automotive engines burning fuel with ethanol added.
Fred
A194
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 1, 2019, at 12:07 PM, Brian Davies <brian.davies44(at)gmail.com (brian.davies44(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
| Quote: | v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} <![endif]--> <![endif]--> <![endif]-->
Depends what fuel you intend to use. If you intend to use Mogas with ethanol you need SAE J30 14R fuel pipe. 9R will do but it is intended for fuel injected, high pressure applications so it is stiffer and harder to get on the connection barbs. Gates Barricade hose, available in the USA, is probably the best available with the added benefit of being designed for low vapour emission standards so you get far less fuel smell in the cockpit.
Brian Davies
From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of William Daniell
Sent: 01 June 2019 16:03
To: europa-list(at)matronics.com (europa-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Fuel line
Can the group tell me whether SAE J30R7 50psi made by continental is acceptable as a fuel line. It says it is fuel/emission.
Please.
Im guessing it is, but it is a good deal more flexible than the stuff i originally fitted in colombia.
Will
William Daniell
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jan_de_jong(at)casema.nl
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| Posted: Sun Jun 02, 2019 4:55 am Post subject: Fuel line |
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I bought SAE J30 14R here:
https://nickstruckparts.com/products/fuelhose-27314-barricade-fuel-hose
On 6/2/2019 1:58 PM, Michael Grass wrote:
| Quote: | One thing never mentioned by any poster is the permitivity of fuel lines. Early on Europas, as far as I recollect, smelled always like fuel. This was due to the higher pemitivity of the R7 fuel lines. Then later on this email list we discovered that the R9 apparently had been fluoridated or other methods applied which reduced the permitivity by a lot and the smell inside the cockpit is reduced.
Best regards
Michael Grass
On Jun 1, 2019, at 5:54 PM, Fred Klein <freddythek10(at)gmail.com (freddythek10(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
| Quote: | Will,
FWIW, I’ve used R9 hose aft of the firewall which is Teflon lined and intended for fuel-injected automotive engines burning fuel with ethanol added.
Fred
A194
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 1, 2019, at 12:07 PM, Brian Davies <brian.davies44(at)gmail.com (brian.davies44(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
| Quote: | v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} <![endif]--> <![endif]--> <![endif]-->
Depends what fuel you intend to use. If you intend to use Mogas with ethanol you need SAE J30 14R fuel pipe. 9R will do but it is intended for fuel injected, high pressure applications so it is stiffer and harder to get on the connection barbs. Gates Barricade hose, available in the USA, is probably the best available with the added benefit of being designed for low vapour emission standards so you get far less fuel smell in the cockpit.
Brian Davies
From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of William Daniell
Sent: 01 June 2019 16:03
To: europa-list(at)matronics.com (europa-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Fuel line
Can the group tell me whether SAE J30R7 50psi made by continental is acceptable as a fuel line. It says it is fuel/emission.
Please.
Im guessing it is, but it is a good deal more flexible than the stuff i originally fitted in colombia.
Will
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rlborger(at)mac.com
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| Posted: Sun Jun 02, 2019 7:27 am Post subject: Fuel line |
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David,
Thanks for the info. Excellent article.
Blue skies & tailwinds,
Bob Borger
Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop (130 hrs).
Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP, Hercules Prop.
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208-5331
Cel: 817-992-1117
rlborger(at)mac.com
On Jun 1, 2019, at 2:31 PM, Europa48 <corinthian(at)me.com> wrote:
Hello Will
This might be useful, it gives explanations the various grades....
http://www.volksbolts.com/faq/fuelhose.htm
Regards
David
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