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				 Posted: Thu Sep 19, 2019 9:29 am    Post subject: Grounding radio antenna and transponder  antenna | 
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				On 9/18/2019 10:06 PM, Argonaut36 wrote:
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  Thanks to All for the interesting comments and suggestions.
  In this post I would like to address the comments of Charlie on noise in the cockpit.  I need a little more time to write a second post on the antenna solutions that have been proposed for testing (coax and external copper foil).  I may have a couple of questions.
  Yes, the problem is not just range.  It is also noise.  ATC says that my transmissions are weak and with a lot of static noise, but still acceptable.   As I wrote in an earlier post, that is not the case if I go to Class B or C airspace and I need to call from far out.
  My impression is that I receive better than I transmit.  The noise level in the cockpit is very high and when I press the push-to-talk button, the static noise that I hear in the sidetone is louder than my voice.
  I use what is considered a very good noise canceling microphone that I periodically replace.  My understanding is that the noise wears out the microphone.  I have also flown with a Bose headset; transmissions were better, but only marginally.
 First, your experience with small-airport vs B/C airspace might not be 
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 purely range. Have you tried small airport comm from the same distance, 
 and over similar (as in flat) terrain as the B/C comm? And do the B/C 
 comms have the same problems, once you get as close to them as you 
 typically are to the small airports? This might help determine whether 
 you truly have a range issue. But regardless, don't forget 'human 
 factors'. The small airport guys are typically not very busy, and can be 
 more 'focused' on listening. They're possibly used to dealing with 
 poorer quality than the big guys, since small airport fliers are often 
 not as dependent on perfectly performing equipment. The big guys, on the 
 other hand, are often incredibly busy, and if they have the slightest 
 problem with readability, may just tell you you're unreadable and to go 
 away. They're also unlikely to have the audio skillset to give a useful 
 technical description of what they're actually hearing.
 
 OK, on to some random *generalizations*:
 'Normal' noise levels  in the mic's designed-for environment should not 
 wear out a mic. I've got headsets that are older than my >25 year flying 
 experience, almost all in homebuilts, that still have good mics in them. 
 Not saying that extreme noise can't damage a mic, but wearing it out 
 shouldn't be much of an issue.
 
 Range can obviously affect transmission quality, especially with AM 
 (what we use for a/c comm). But background noise can often make more 
 difference than carrier strength (range). Others are much more qualified 
 to discuss the RF side of things, but I may be able to offer some long 
 distance help with the audio side of things.
 
 Intelligibility is closely tied to 'signal-to-noise ratio'. We usually 
 hear (pardon the on-the-nose pun) the term used in electronics, where 
 the signal (audio) is measured as a ratio to the level of 'noise', which 
 is all the background hiss, crackling, etc that exists in all 
 electronics. But for practical, real-world applications, the entire 
 system must be considered. Ex: in a concert hall, the signal is the 
 singer's voice and the noise is everything else; audience conversations, 
 squeaking chairs, foot falls, even reverberations of the singer's own 
 voice bouncing around in the room. An extreme (though somewhat twisted) 
 example would be 'feedback' when the PA system's output gets back into 
 the mic and is re-amplified.
 
 Now, how do we improve S/N in the concert hall? Turning up the volume 
 will make the singer easier to hear, and help mask hall noise, but 
 eventually the PA will get loud enough to cause feedback and then no one 
 will hear the 'signal'.  So what to do? One thing is to lower the noise 
 level. Padded seats, carpet, noise absorbing panels on the ceiling & 
 walls, and even more important, telling your neighbor to save their 
 conversation till the concert is over. But one of the big drivers of 
 poor S/N is the singer him/her-self. If the handheld mic is allowed to 
 point out into the audience, feedback is more likely. If the singer cups 
 their hands around the mesh area of the mic, it kills the mic's 
 directional selectivity. If they sing into the side of the mic instead 
 of the end (assuming a typical handheld mic), or they hold the mic too 
 far from their lips, or sing too softly, then *their vocal volume is a 
 smaller percentage of the total sound the mic hears*.  If the singer 
 messes up in the above ways, the sound guy's only way to make them 
 louder is to turn up the gain, but the mic hears everything, so noise 
 gets amplified along with signal.
 
 The 'singer' issues are very similar to issues in the cockpit. Headset 
 mics are directional mics. Not a terribly common problem, but with some 
 headsets (particularly the in-ear models), it's easy to get the back 
 side of the mic facing your lips. This will give preference to noise 
 over voice. If the mic isn't so close to the pilot's lips it's almost 
 touching them (left or right edge of your mouth tends work best, to 
 minimize popping from breath), then like the singer, the 'hall noise' 
 will be a bigger percentage of what the mic hears. If  the pilot speaks 
 softly, then 'hall noise' will be a bigger percentage of what the mic 
 hears. If the 'front' of the mic isn't pointed directly at the pilot's 
 lips... Are we getting the idea yet? If there's another mic in the a/c 
 that's plugged into the system, it will often go 'live' whenever the PTT 
 is pushed along with the pilot's mic. If that happens....
 ETC ETC
 
 Now, what to do that's 'fixing' stuff, instead  of just 'technique'? 
 Reducing the ambient noise level in a tube/rag a/c is very difficult 
 unless we're willing to accept a lot of extra weight. But there are some 
 'tweaks' to the system that will likely help. One thing will sound 
 counter-intuitive, but does work (I just went through it with my 
 neighbor, who's flying the prototype One Design unlimited acro a/c).
 
 First, check with the mfgr of your headset, to see if there is a gain 
 adjustment *on the microphone* of the headset. Many electret condenser 
 mics have a tiny gain adjustment screw in the body of the mic. If yours 
 has one, turn the gain *down* as low as you can get it and still have 
 your voice transmitted. The reason: Those mics actually have a tiny 
 preamplifier built into them. If the total volume (voice plus noise) is 
 loud enough, it can drive the preamp into distortion. When that happens, 
 we get fuzzy, garbled sound as the peak volume is clipped off.
 
 Next, find the mic gain or mic volume adjustment on your comm radio, and 
 turn *it* down as low as you can go, and still get your voice out there. 
 Even if you have to speak 'with authority' into the mic. Remember the 
 'too soft' singer? If you speak louder, your voice is a larger 
 percentage of what the mic hears.  Now obviously, you need enough audio 
 to properly modulate the RF carrier, but you'll likely be surprised at 
 how much you can turn these setting down and still hear yourself. As 
 long as you sound ok in your sidetone, you're likely going to be ok with 
 modulation. (RF guys feel free to step in here.)
 
 The last thing returns to technique, in the form of 'compensation' for 
 a/c deficiencies. When comm is critical, pull the power back. This was 
 the last step in getting the One Design mentioned above into the 'clear 
 communications' category. By reducing the throttle setting, the cockpit 
 noise goes down significantly, improving signal to noise ratio. (Could 
 this be a factor in small vs large airport operations, where you're 
 likely at reduced power close to the small airport but still at cruise 
 power when far from the large airports?)
 
 Sorry for such a long 'epistle', but hopefully there will be some useful 
 info buried in there.
 
 Charlie
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				 Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2019 5:47 am    Post subject: Re: Grounding radio antenna and transponder  antenna | 
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				Charlie,
 I am carefully reviewing all the information that you provided and I am planning on following your suggestions.
 Thank you very much for your help!
 
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