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				 Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2021 11:06 am    Post subject: Fwd: Kolb-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 04/04/21 | 
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 From: Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com (lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com)>
 Date: Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 1:04 PM
 Subject: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 04/04/21
 To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com (kolb-list(at)matronics.com) <kolb-list(at)matronics.com (kolb-list(at)matronics.com)>
 
 I've followed this thread through all the different replies, and I once rode in a Mark three that dived for the ground when full power was pushed. Didn't like it at all, and didn't feel that it was airworthy either. Anyway I was curious about the difference in my HKS on my firestar. So I stuck the ?protractor? on the bottom of the wing as it sat in my hanger and found that the bottom of the wing measured 38 degrees, I then stuck it on the engine plate and found that it read 30 degrees. So my 60 horse engine is 8 degrees flatter than the wing.
 With this configuration and trimmed for straight and level flight at 5400 rpm's. Max sustained cruise is 5800 for the HKS. If I go to full throttle of 6100 rpms the plane climbs, rather than nosing down. In other words I can climb at neutral input from the stick.
 Not real sure if any of this answers your question or not, but it seems to me that a difference of 8 degrees flatter compared to the wing should get one to where the plane operates best.
 for what its worth.
 Larry
 
  
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		Jerry-TS-MkII
 
 
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				 Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2021 11:42 am    Post subject: Fwd: Kolb-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 04/04/21 | 
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				Hi Larry!
 When you are at cruise is the wing 6-8° positive?  That would put the
 engine thrust at 0.  What's the stab angle, as compared to your wing/engine
 measurements.  I'd guess it's less than the engine, to produce some tail
 down to balance the engine push over effects.
 
 On Mon, 5 Apr 2021 13:05:43 -0600, Larry Cottrell
 <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> wrote:
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  From: LARRY COTTRELL 
  Date: Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 1:04 PM
  Subject: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 04/04/21
  To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com [2] 
  
  Ive followed this thread through all the different replies, and I once
  rode in a Mark three that dived for the ground when full power was
  pushed. Didnt like it at all, and didnt feel that it was airworthy
  either. Anyway I was curious about the difference in my HKS on my
  firestar. So I stuck the ?protractor? on the bottom of the wing as it
 sat
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  	  | Quote: | 	 		   in my hanger and found that the bottom of the wing measured 38 degrees,
 I
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  	  | Quote: | 	 		   then stuck it on the engine plate and found that it read 30 degrees. So
  my 60 horse engine is 8 degrees flatter than the wing.
  With this configuration and trimmed for straight and level flight at
 5400
 | 	  
  	  | Quote: | 	 		   rpms. Max sustained cruise is 5800 for the HKS. If I go to full throttle
  of 6100 rpms the plane climbs, rather than nosing down. In other words I
  can climb at neutral input from the stick.
  Not real sure if any of this answers your question or not, but it seems
  to me that a difference of 8 degrees flatter compared to the wing should
  get one to where the plane operates best.
  for what its worth.
  Larry
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